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I would definitely agree, living in sin is definitely going to lead to your demise. But even still, can you say you are 100% sin free since coming to Christ. I mean sinning is way easier to do than not sinning, reacting in anger is sinful, gossiping is sinful, the NT even tells us that groaning will lead to death. Do you think it is wrong that when you become weak and sin, that it is wrong to repent, and continue to try to avoid sin? Im not talking about purposefully sinning, like stealing or watching pornography. I mean when you do get weak and fall into sin.
"Sinless perfection" is a term invented by people in an attempt to strawman the teaching of heart purity. By implying a standard of "utter perfection" one raises an impossible to reach bar that none can reach. Thus if none can reach the impossible bar then it is implied "you don't have to" and suddenly one can argue in favour of sin. It is a total deception premised on creating a false paradigm to steer people into a mental trap.
The truth is that Jesus taught...
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
That is the standard. Heart purity. Not "sinless perfection."
Jesus gave Himself on our behalf that...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Not "sinless perfection" rather HEART PURITY.
Thus WILLFUL SIN is out of the question for those with pure hearts. With a purified heart we will never KNOWINGLY choose evil, for evil is abhorrent. Instead we walk by a faith that works by love (Gal 5:6). God reckons our FAITH as righteousness (Rom 4:5).
The deceivers will present "sin" in a paradigm that lacks any distinction between "willful sin" and "sins of ignorance." That way they can utilise "no one is perfect" in conjunction with "sin you will and sin you must" and therefore subtly argue in favour of willful sin. Of course they will dress it up in "well you shouldn't sin" but WHEN YOU DO (due to sin you will and sin you must belief).
Notice that the people in this thread who will do this will NEVER directly address all the scriptures I brought forth. They cannot and will not do that lest they expose themselves as deceivers. Instead they have to selectively manipulate the Bible and use RHETORIC to convolute the issue. Peter warned of these people and their "great swelling words of emptiness"...
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
They cannot cease from sin and do not want others to cease from sin either.
The truth is that Jesus taught...
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
That is the standard. Heart purity. Not "sinless perfection."
Jesus gave Himself on our behalf that...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Not "sinless perfection" rather HEART PURITY.
Thus WILLFUL SIN is out of the question for those with pure hearts. With a purified heart we will never KNOWINGLY choose evil, for evil is abhorrent. Instead we walk by a faith that works by love (Gal 5:6). God reckons our FAITH as righteousness (Rom 4:5).
The deceivers will present "sin" in a paradigm that lacks any distinction between "willful sin" and "sins of ignorance." That way they can utilise "no one is perfect" in conjunction with "sin you will and sin you must" and therefore subtly argue in favour of willful sin. Of course they will dress it up in "well you shouldn't sin" but WHEN YOU DO (due to sin you will and sin you must belief).
Notice that the people in this thread who will do this will NEVER directly address all the scriptures I brought forth. They cannot and will not do that lest they expose themselves as deceivers. Instead they have to selectively manipulate the Bible and use RHETORIC to convolute the issue. Peter warned of these people and their "great swelling words of emptiness"...
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
They cannot cease from sin and do not want others to cease from sin either.
Paul wrote this...
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Why don't you believe that?
Why uphold this notion of " when you do get weak and fall into sin." The Bible doesn't say that anywhere. It just sounds like an excuse to keep sinning every now and then.
We may err in judgement and commit a sin of ignorance, yet that is different to willful sin. Willful sin is out of the question.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Why don't you believe that?
Why uphold this notion of " when you do get weak and fall into sin." The Bible doesn't say that anywhere. It just sounds like an excuse to keep sinning every now and then.
We may err in judgement and commit a sin of ignorance, yet that is different to willful sin. Willful sin is out of the question.
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When he is speaking of these things he says,
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
In the present, but he even states he became all things to all men, whereas we see here
1 Cr 3:1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
So he wasnt carnal he could only speak to them as unto carnal
He acknowledges those that are spiritual
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
But these too can be tempted, which I see pride (or being exalted above measure) being these ones temptation
Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
He does help them to put their wheels in reverse though when speaking to the same because they have not yet waxed strong in the Spirit.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
In the present, but he even states he became all things to all men, whereas we see here
1 Cr 3:1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
So he wasnt carnal he could only speak to them as unto carnal
He acknowledges those that are spiritual
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
But these too can be tempted, which I see pride (or being exalted above measure) being these ones temptation
Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
He does help them to put their wheels in reverse though when speaking to the same because they have not yet waxed strong in the Spirit.
John didn't say that though. You are saying that.
John said that the children of God are MANIFEST in that they do not sin.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
The word rendered "Commit" in English is "Poieō" in the Greek and it means PRODUCE or BRING FORTH...
Poieō
Apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary; to make or do (in a very wide application, more or less direct): - abide, + agree, appoint, X avenge, + band together, be, bear, + bewray, bring (forth), cast out, cause, commit, + content, continue, deal, + without any delay, (would) do (-ing), execute, exercise, fulfil, gain, give, have, hold, X journeying, keep, + lay wait, + lighten the ship, make, X mean, + none of these things move me, observe, ordain, perform, provide, + have purged, purpose, put, + raising up, X secure, shew, X shoot out, spend, take, tarry, + transgress the law, work, yield. Compare G4238.
Furthermore John writes this...
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
The context of "sinneth not" is "sinning unto death" which is rebellion.
To argue in favour of "not habitually" is ridiculous. Can a Christian occasionally rape and murder, just so long as they don't make a regular habit of it? It is nonsense.
The evil has to stop. We have to have pure hearts before God. That is the standard. A pure heart does not "occasionally" choose to do evil anymore than God would choose to do evil on rare occasions.
John said that the children of God are MANIFEST in that they do not sin.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
The word rendered "Commit" in English is "Poieō" in the Greek and it means PRODUCE or BRING FORTH...
Poieō
Apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary; to make or do (in a very wide application, more or less direct): - abide, + agree, appoint, X avenge, + band together, be, bear, + bewray, bring (forth), cast out, cause, commit, + content, continue, deal, + without any delay, (would) do (-ing), execute, exercise, fulfil, gain, give, have, hold, X journeying, keep, + lay wait, + lighten the ship, make, X mean, + none of these things move me, observe, ordain, perform, provide, + have purged, purpose, put, + raising up, X secure, shew, X shoot out, spend, take, tarry, + transgress the law, work, yield. Compare G4238.
Furthermore John writes this...
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
The context of "sinneth not" is "sinning unto death" which is rebellion.
To argue in favour of "not habitually" is ridiculous. Can a Christian occasionally rape and murder, just so long as they don't make a regular habit of it? It is nonsense.
The evil has to stop. We have to have pure hearts before God. That is the standard. A pure heart does not "occasionally" choose to do evil anymore than God would choose to do evil on rare occasions.
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I don't willingly, sometimes knowingly but not often. I have never cared for being in trouble or consequences, and learned about the Lord at a very early age. My biggest weakness is being irritable when I need some space and don't want to be bothered. I have been tempted at times to do something when somebody manages to make me really mad, but know it is not worth it.
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.