if there was no relgion would the world be a better place eg no wars etc

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A question that most people (athesists etc) seem to ask and most seem to agree for me its kind of both ways yes if the was no relgion some wars wouldnt exisit eg cursades but it doesnt mean that wars for power wouldnt occur there is no good without evil you will always have some1 wanting to change the world so i dont think it matter if there was relgion or not bad stuff always happens

now what i am curious in if any of you ever thought of that learning the history of your relgion weather you had these thoughts or maybe you wished your relgion was a bit different in the past it would be better today.

please post your thoughts
 
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tryingtofindhim

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Yes, quite a few wars were because of religion. I do wish Christians had acted a different way to spread their gospel rather than going against another religion through war. Christ gave us an example and he sure didn't use war.
 
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zavok said:
A question that most people (athesists etc) seem to ask and most seem to agree for me its kind of both ways yes if the was no relgion some wars wouldnt exisit eg cursades but it doesnt mean that wars for power wouldnt occur there is no good without evil you will always have some1 wanting to change the world so i dont think it matter if there was relgion or not bad stuff always happens

now what i am curious in if any of you ever thought of that learning the history of your relgion weather you had these thoughts or maybe you wished your relgion was a bit different in the past it would be better today.

please post your thoughts
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I find it mildly amusing that non-Christians always quote the crusades. It would seem that they do not know that more Christians have died by the persecution of non-Christians (and continue to die even today) than the non-Christian deaths of the Great Crusade.
 
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tryingtofindhim said:
Yes, quite a few wars were because of religion. I do wish Christians had acted a different way to spread their gospel rather than going against another religion through war. Christ gave us an example and he sure didn't use war.
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If you are referring to the Great Crusade, I believe it was the Roman Catholic Church that wanted to "start" end times by kicking out the Muslims and making Israel a nation again. That's one of the theories floating around... how true is it? I have no idea but I don't believe the papacy consisted of true believers anyway.
 
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I find it mildly amusing that non-Christians always quote the crusades. It would seem that they do not know that more Christians have died by the persecution of non-Christians (and continue to die even today) than the non-Christian deaths of the Great Crusade.
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if your not going to answer the question then please dont reply this isnt about the crusades i just used it as an example the main reason why ever1 quotes is proberly becuase every1 knows about it
 
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tryingtofindhim

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oopsies said:
If you are referring to the Great Crusade, I believe it was the Roman Catholic Church that wanted to "start" end times by kicking out the Muslims and making Israel a nation again. That's one of the theories floating around... how true is it? I have no idea but I don't believe the papacy consisted of true believers anyway.
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Roman Catholics are Christians?
 
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zavok said:
A question that most people (athesists etc) seem to ask and most seem to agree for me its kind of both ways yes if the was no relgion some wars wouldnt exisit eg cursades but it doesnt mean that wars for power wouldnt occur there is no good without evil you will always have some1 wanting to change the world so i dont think it matter if there was relgion or not bad stuff always happens

now what i am curious in if any of you ever thought of that learning the history of your relgion weather you had these thoughts or maybe you wished your relgion was a bit different in the past it would be better today.

please post your thoughts
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Sure it would. In facts religions were created by men.. Relationship with God shouldn't be a religion and if people really believed in Jesus' teachings crusades wouldn't have existed. As you can see all bad things come from men's mistakes.
 
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Roman Catholics are Christians?
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Yes. It is possible to be a Christian without believing everything Catholicism teaches. However, it is impossible to be a Catholic and not be a Christian.
 
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Of course there would be wars without relgion, people might use religion to DRIVE a war, but the REASON is power, land, money and hate.....
 
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Yes. It is possible to be a Christian without believing everything Catholicism teaches. However, it is impossible to be a Catholic and not be a Christian.
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Sorry, I didn't make my point clear that's what I was saying; it seemed like she didn't think they were.
 
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Sorry, I didn't make my point clear that's what I was saying; it seemed like she didn't think they were.
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Ah yes, of course you were. Sorry, I should turn down my anti-Catholicism sensor.
 
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Matthew

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zavok said:
A question that most people (athesists etc) seem to ask and most seem to agree for me its kind of both ways yes if the was no relgion some wars wouldnt exisit eg cursades but it doesnt mean that wars for power wouldnt occur there is no good without evil you will always have some1 wanting to change the world so i dont think it matter if there was relgion or not bad stuff always happens

now what i am curious in if any of you ever thought of that learning the history of your relgion weather you had these thoughts or maybe you wished your relgion was a bit different in the past it would be better today.

please post your thoughts
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The world would probably not be a better place in my opinion, it would just be a different place because as wwjd_kilden said war is sometimes driven forward by religion but there are always other factors, I'd say a blend of land, wealth and resources etc.....mixed in with a desire for supremacy over others in the world with power who wish to affirm their own.

Many atheist people hold to the idea that religion is the root of all evil and while it's an easy thing to point at and say that's the thing that's responsible for our lot in life it is not the case, of course many evil things have been done and continue to be done in the name of religion but there is always a human being at the centre of it all, so if you take religion out of the world the human being remains and we humans are motivated by many other things outside of religion, so while there might have been different wars there would still have been wars.
 
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To answer your other question....

....I have made an attempt in recent years to learn more about Christianity and some other religions in order to get a better understanding of what's happening in some places and in short I say yes, I think it's probably common to think if things had been different in the past maybe religion in general would not be seen as a fundamentally negative thing by some people, but I take it as one more reinforcement of my view that we should adhere to the basic principles and values that are common across many religions despite the differences and try and bring people together instead of standing our ground in persnickety arguments about who has got the details right.
 
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I think we can all agree that athiests have NO IDEA what would happen if religion didn't exist...because it does. I really get annoyed by arguments like this, because athiests feel like they have a "one up" on something that is impossible (can't change time people). They can't possibly know if wars wouldn't go on if religion didn't exist. Even if it didn't, lets look at human nature. Can we say "agenda"? Do you REALLY think that people started wars over religon? Or was it their thirst for power, money, and glory? Please. Religion as a motive is just an excuse. Some people are just sick in the brain and cause war for the heck of it (hate, racism, whatever). How many of you have done something then made up an excuse to cover an alterior motive? Case and point.
 
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Dread_Zeppelin said:
I think we can all agree that athiests have NO IDEA what would happen if religion didn't exist...because it does. I really get annoyed by arguments like this, because athiests feel like they have a "one up" on something that is impossible (can't change time people). They can't possibly know if wars wouldn't go on if religion didn't exist. Even if it didn't, lets look at human nature. Can we say "agenda"? Do you REALLY think that people started wars over religon? Or was it their thirst for power, money, and glory? Please. Religion as a motive is just an excuse. Some people are just sick in the brain and cause war for the heck of it (hate, racism, whatever). How many of you have done something then made up an excuse to cover an alterior motive? Case and point.
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Yeah I agree with this, if someone points to religion and says it causes wars - I'd seperate christianity from 'religion' - true christianity anyway, peace, love etc and point them towards wars which were not motivated by religion, french revolution, WWI, WWII, no matter which way you look at it, these don't compare to the crusades.
 
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It's an impossible scenario anyway, since humans are inherently religious creatures.
 
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Dread_Zeppelin said:
I think we can all agree that athiests have NO IDEA what would happen if religion didn't exist...because it does. I really get annoyed by arguments like this, because athiests feel like they have a "one up" on something that is impossible (can't change time people). They can't possibly know if wars wouldn't go on if religion didn't exist. Even if it didn't, lets look at human nature. Can we say "agenda"? Do you REALLY think that people started wars over religon? Or was it their thirst for power, money, and glory? Please. Religion as a motive is just an excuse. Some people are just sick in the brain and cause war for the heck of it (hate, racism, whatever). How many of you have done something then made up an excuse to cover an alterior motive? Case and point.
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i do agree with your point except when say athiests have no idea technically no one would really know what would happen if we removed or changed something from the past
 
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