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Genesis 1:2 -
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Although most people would take this as meaning that this describes the time/leadup up to the creation of the physical earth that we are on now. I would take it as meaning that the earth existed as a concept which was then made physical.
Water, Earth, Fire and Air exist beyond that in which we perceive them as in our physical senses. They are also elements, or at least named as such. After all do not the signs of the zodiac have these 'elemental' attributes assigned to them?

Youve heard of 7th heaven? Well lets see how we came to hear such a thing.
Seven heavens?.....What about seven earths......

Lets list them against the sephiroth and the sources of those who have listed them.

SEPHIRA

Supernals (Kether, Chokmah, Binah as far as I know)
Chesed
Geburah
Tiphareth
Netzach
Hod
Yesod and
Malkuth

MIDRASH KONEN
Aretz
Adamah
Charabhah
Tziah
Yabbashah
Arqa
Tebhel and
Cheled

CROWLEY (777)
Aretz
Adamah
Gaye
Neshiah
Tziah
Arqa
Tebhel and
Cheled

RAPPOPORT (1928)
Eretz hatachtonah
Adamah
Arka
Ge
Neshia
Zija
Tebhel

Its their spelling and listing, this is from Godwin's Cabalistic Encyclopedia. I dont know who is right or wrong in their listing and nor do I care. I'll just let you know what these earths are, as for their inhabitants??????
Well lets just wait and see....

Lets start off with Aretz, this is the earth of the supernals. I prefer to use the term Aretz ha-Tachtonah which can be translated/literated as Nethermost Earth, the place of perdition which is in all darkness and nothing grows there.

Now the supernals could be defined as the combination of Kether, Chokmah and Binah as those sephirah are the 'trinity' of the Tree of Life. But there are other sephira in the Tree of Life that are rarely referenced because they are not known for practical use, maybe they can be used but I have never heard about success resulting from them.
These sephirah are Daath, Ain, Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur. They are more correctly called the 'negative veils' and not actually of the Tree of Life per se but actually preceed it.
Daath is a sephira that acts like an abyss, seperating the 'trinity' from the lower sephira of the tree.

The 3 Ain veils are a type of negative existence.
(I dont know how else to explain them) and are beyond our comprehension, certainly beyond description in any physical and probably spiritual sense. I suppose you have to gain a concept of it and take it from there, it would be a concept without limits because how could a negative existence have limits?

So I would have to include the sephiroth between Daath to Ain as the supernals, all I can add is this "You can find anything in the light but can see anything in the darkness"
As for Aretz ha-Tachtonah? Maybe what I typed earlier....

Genesis 1:2 -
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Adamah - this earth corresponds to Chesed. It receives light from stars and planets but it is inhabited by demons and spirits. To receive light from stars and planets would imply that this earth would be a physical one even though the inhabitants are not. Then again lets look at our own earth, is it not the same?

After all who is 'prince of this world'?

This verse from Genesis is said to correlate with Adamah, might explain how its 'present population' got there/came about. I notice some people have the opinion that creation stories contradict each other, maybe they dont - maybe those stories are seperate to each other because they describe seperate events?
Just something to ponder, it makes no difference anyway I suppose

Gen 4:11 - And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

* Just a side note.... The God name for Malkuth which is representative of this earth (tebhel/cheled) is Adonai ha-Aretz
which translates as 'Lord of this Earth' but can be interpreted as Lord of this Earth or Lord of the world. But with 'world' is it actually refering to the planet or the physical realm (Assiah)?

Some references....
Genesis 4:11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand.
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Threads like these are more appropriate for the bible forum, not clogging up the miscellaneous forum. You will also get more responses in the bible forum.. :)
 
blue_ladybug said:
Threads like these are more appropriate for the bible forum, not clogging up the miscellaneous forum. You will also get more responses in the bible forum.. :)
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Bickering threads are more appropriate for the Bible forum, anyway isnt this miscellaneous?
Most readers would deem this not to be Biblical
 
Hag 2:6 - For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it [is] a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry [land]

Charabhah - this earth corresponds to Geburah according to the Midrash Konen, it is translated as 'Parched land'. Beyond that I have no knowledge of it, however it is of interest because of the name of another earth that is mentioned by the Midrash Konen, Crowley and Rappoport......

Tziah/Zija - which translates as 'Dryness'

According to the Midrash Konen, it corresponds to Tiphareth
According to Crowley,it corresponds to Netzach
According to Rappoport,it corresponds to Hod

This earth is said to be inhabited by handsome men of faith who sometimes contrive to swim to our own earth, that being Tebhel/Cheled.

Interesting things about these 'inhabitants' are....
* They are deemed to be of a gender that is only known 'to be' among the physical world (Assiah).
When considering spiritual beings how can we deem them to be of a particular gender if they donot have the physical sexual organs that would define them as a particular gender? If we look at the Tree of Life as in the 3 pillars we have a masculine pillar, neutral pillar and a feminine pillar. If we look at the 'spiritual' aspects of the sephiroth we have beings with no physical gender attributes, ie. Angels dont have functioning genitalia, Angels and spiritual entities cant mate each other and have baby Angels and spirits.
You can go so far as to suggest that humans have a physical gender and a spiritual one, look at the trannies who are convinced they are women when they can just look between their legs to realise they are not. Depends what you think is more important I suppose, physical or spiritual identity, it would be their choice to use the spiritual realm to adjust themselves to their physical being or else get their penis chopped off.

* They contrive sometimes to swim to our earth, or so its said. When we think of earths we sometimes take it that they are all physical entities and are like the planets in our universe. We see them as being millions of miles away from each other, but the difference between physical attributes of all physical matter in Assiah is the rate of vibration within each attribute. Colours are different because of the rate of vibration in the pigments. It could be quite possible that these different earths co-exist in the same physical area/space as we know it, but they cannot interact, merge or crush each other because they exist in different rates of vibration.

Now as for swimming to our earth, they 'contrive'. This could mean they plan but cannot attempt or succeed in doing so. We can see similar behaviour in pets who try to imitate us in say...opening food containers or trying to open the fridge.

As we cannot access their world (at least that I know of...I've never tried and have no reason to) because of limitations, the same could apply to them.
So if the water they would swim in is not physical, then it would have to be elemental or a 'spiritual' water.
Attempts at using magical means to access this earth would incorporate water signs/aspects such as in relation to astrologic aspects.
Just something to ponder.....how did the Nephilim get here?

Yabbashah - this is from Midrash Konen and is translated as 'Dry land' and it corresponds to Netzach. This is the relevent quotation....

Gen 1:9 - And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.
 
leon14 said:
Genesis 1:2 -
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Although most people would take this as meaning that this describes the time/leadup up to the creation of the physical earth that we are on now. I would take it as meaning that the earth existed as a concept which was then made physical....
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Platonic rubbish! Stop reading here, the rest is unbiblical dribble anyway
 
JesusLives said:
To go where no man has ever gone before....The final frontier........
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more like 'down the rabbit hole'

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How can someone post in English, and yet, I can not understand a single thing they are trying to say?
 
Leon, I think you'd do well if you focused more of your energy on receiving revelation out of Gods word than all this stuff.
 
What a bunch of hooey. Let's stick to the basics:

Jesus loves me, this I know
For the Bible tells me so.
Little ones to Him belong.
They are weak, but He is strong.
Yes, Jesus loves me.
Yes, Jesus loves me.
Yes, Jesus loves me.
The Bible tells me so.
 
Gaye/Ge - Translated as 'Valley'.

According to Crowley it corresponds to Geburah
According to Rappoport it corresponds to Tiphareth

It is said that the inhabitants of this earth are learned, wealthy and generous.
I dont know if this actually describes a seperate earth, after all why would you need wealth on such an earth? Maybe this could refer to certain possessions of beauty/art?

Lets contrast this to......

Arqa/Arka - this earth is in full sunlight, its inhabitants are mindless giants and pygmies. It is ruled by 2 demonic beings named Ephrira and Kastimon, in addition Ezah and Ezel are chained there. Reportedly this is their punishment for falling in love/lust for a mortal woman (Angels arent supposed to do that).

In addition youve got this place.....

Neshiah - meaning 'Oblivion' corresponding to Tiphareth according to Crowley and Hod according to Rappoport. It is inhabited by pygmies who have no memory.

It seems that Ge, Arqa and Neshiah might not be seperate earths, more like they were combined to create this one. A planet populated by decent people and muppets, I dont know what the story is - I aint God.

I dont know of any reference to them in the Bible.

Cheled - "World" corresponds to Yesod and is deemed to be an earth.

And we have...

Tebhel - Which also means "World" and corresponds to Malkuth and is our physical material world. It is our earth in this world of Assiah.

But Tebhel and Cheled are somewhat deemed to be 'paired' or in another way to try to explain it - these are 2 worlds we can simultaneously exist in but donot contradict each other as to their world.
So if Tebhel is what we know as Assiah, the final physical product - then I would suggest that Cheled is the world of Yetzirah to us with elements of Briah and Atziluth.

Some abstract thinking required.............

With Tebhel we would take this to mean to physical earth we live on as physical beings. In the Tree of Life the sephira for our earth is Malkuth, our earth and the existence we experience is bound by physical limitations and we understand we live in the 'world' of Assiah. This is the end physical product.

With Cheled we have to look to the Tree of Life, we see that it might correspond to Yesod which is the sephira for the Moon (physically speaking). We can look at the moon every night, we can stare at it and imagine all manner of things and we can plan all manner of ways to attain those things. It can inspire us and yet we cannot touch it or visit it (unless you are an astronaut) and you will never experience it like you do on this earth and it can inspire us to make plans for this earth in this world. You can call these blueprints, making plans to bring forth a physical product that is yet to exist beyond your own imagination. This is the 'world' of Yetzirah.

Assiah has no native moral implications, a chair cannot be good or evil it depends on the animate being using it. You can use it to rest your physical body or you can use it to beat someone to death. Same can apply to physical water, dirt, rocks, etc.

Yetzirah is the planning for the chair, why did you intend for it to be used for when you decided you needed it? If you decided you wanted a relaxing chair to support your back with extra spongy cushions then your blueprints will reflect this. And if you decided you wanted to make a compact, solid hard chair to carry around and beat up someone then your blueprints will reflect that.

So it would seem the Cheled and Tebhel are paired (much like a molecule or even like an atom with an electron circuling around it, if either is taken away the chemical it composes changes and becomes something else) because they represent 2 aspects of every physically mortal inhabitant of this earth in the world of Assiah. We are both physical and spiritual in existence, if you are a spiritual entity (Satan for example) you cannot experience the physical world because you have no physical body to interact with it. You are just a spectator who makes the occasional cameo appearance. If you are a physical being without a spiritual aspect then an example of what you would be would be a sociopath, one who cannot make moral choices.

Its all about balance.

If youre interested......
Bible Encyclopedia: World

FINIS
 
Reborn said:
How can someone post in English, and yet, I can not understand a single thing they are trying to say?
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Cause your pastor hasnt given you permission to think

breno785au said:
Leon, I think you'd do well if you focused more of your energy on receiving revelation out of Gods word than all this stuff.
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Youre a hillsonger aint ya?

santuzza said:
What a bunch of hooey. Let's stick to the basics:

Jesus loves me, this I know
For the Bible tells me so.
Little ones to Him belong.
They are weak, but He is strong.
Yes, Jesus loves me.
Yes, Jesus loves me.
Yes, Jesus loves me.
The Bible tells me so.
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Well I suppose a nursery rhyme is the basics
 
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