A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?

[WebersHome]

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If it becomes necessary for a woman to take the lead in a ministry, that
should only be temporary untill a man is found for the official office
according to Biblical qualifications, and while temorary the woman is not
supposed to be authoritative over men in the church. The Bible is clear on
this. Church offices are to be filled by men.

I am unable to find anything in the New Testament's epistles authorizing
women to fill in for men.

And let me add: if a church has no Spirit-gifted men in its ranks capable of
filling in temporarily for a permanent Spirit-gifted man, then that church's
light has gone out; viz: it's dead, Christ has removed its candlestick out of
its place. (c.f. the seven letters to the seven churches, Rev 2:1-3:22)

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[Utah]

Only my dogs are allowed to call me daddy O.
"Vomiting hatred"? Friend, that's an accusation. Can you support it with facts? I don't follow every thread, nor do I even come back and see reply's to my posts sometimes, but from what I have seen weber, nor any others here, spew hatred.

You're only nine years older than me, and actually younger than two of my brothers yet you called me son, so because of that I affectionately called you, Daddy O.

Hate is indeed a strong accusation but I'll let the hater(s) words speak for themselves.

I always appreciate what you share here, my Brother! God bless!

 

[WebersHome]

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So a judge of Israel was not a leader? Deborah was a judge and prophetess
and as such had the very same authority as men Judges and Prophets of her
time

Sophists are fond of pointing to Old Testament female luminaries like
Deborah to justify a Christian church's women leading its Christian men. But
they need to wake up and get their bearings. Deborah wasn't a Christian
woman; and besides: she lived in the Old Testament era. That ship has
sailed and women today live in the New Testament era-- an era where
Christ's edicts reign supreme. Male leadership may not be ideal; but the
bottom line is: males are Christ's gender of choice; and it is his Father's
wishes that believers comply with His son's supervision

†. Matt 17:5 . .Behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a
voice out of the cloud, saying: This is My beloved son, with whom I am well
pleased: Listen to him!

It's very dangerous to oppose Christ. Note the grammatical tense of the
word "abides" in the passage below. It's present tense rather than future,
indicating that people refusing to comply with Christ's regulations are
already under the wrath of God-- no delay and no waiting period.

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does
not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

There are people out there in cyberspace la-la land who have been so
conditioned by greeting cards, religious art, Broadway plays, Christmas
carols, and Hollywood movies and nativity scenes that they have lost sight of
the fact that Jesus Christ is not only a religious figure but also a monarch.
Well; a king can't have people in the kingdom refusing to comply with his
edicts, so the first order of business upon Christ's return to rule the world is
a sweep.

†. Matt 13:40-43 . . As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it
will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and
they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do
evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping
and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the
kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

†. Matt 13:47-50 . . The kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the
sea, and gathering fish of every kind; and when it was filled, they drew it up
on the beach; and they sat down, and gathered the good fish into
containers, but the bad they threw away. So it will be at the end of the age;
the angels shall come forth, and take out the wicked from among the
righteous, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be weeping
and gnashing of teeth.

See the second Psalm where Christ is depicted smashing scofflaws with a rod
of iron like clay pots. (cf. Rev 12:5, and Rev 19:15)

Christ capped one of his kingdom parables with this:

†. Luke 19:27 . . But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign
over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.

Your not just throwing out the Bible, you are outright lying about what it
says.

You really ought to be a bit more circumspect with your choice of words lest
the hapless day arrives when you are forced to eat them.

†. Matt 12:36-37 . . I tell you that men will have to give account on the day
of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words
you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.

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[The_highwayman]

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Sophists are fond of pointing to Old Testament female luminaries like
Deborah to justify a Christian church's women leading its Christian men. But
they need to wake up and get their bearings. Deborah wasn't a Christian
woman; and besides: she lived in the Old Testament era. That ship has
sailed and women today live in the New Testament era-- an era where
Christ's edicts reign supreme. Male leadership may not be ideal; but the
bottom line is: males are Christ's gender of choice; and it is his Father's
wishes that believers comply with His son's supervision

†. Matt 17:5 . .Behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a
voice out of the cloud, saying: This is My beloved son, with whom I am well
pleased: Listen to him!

It's very dangerous to oppose Christ. Note the grammatical tense of the
word "abides" in the passage below. It's present tense rather than future,
indicating that people refusing to comply with Christ's regulations are
already under the wrath of God-- no delay and no waiting period.

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does
not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

There are people out there in cyberspace la-la land who have been so
conditioned by greeting cards, religious art, Broadway plays, Christmas
carols, and Hollywood movies and nativity scenes that they have lost sight of
the fact that Jesus Christ is not only a religious figure but also a monarch.
Well; a king can't have people in the kingdom refusing to comply with his
edicts, so the first order of business upon Christ's return to rule the world is
a sweep.

†. Matt 13:40-43 . . As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it
will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and
they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do
evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping
and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the
kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

†. Matt 13:47-50 . . The kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the
sea, and gathering fish of every kind; and when it was filled, they drew it up
on the beach; and they sat down, and gathered the good fish into
containers, but the bad they threw away. So it will be at the end of the age;
the angels shall come forth, and take out the wicked from among the
righteous, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be weeping
and gnashing of teeth.

See the second Psalm where Christ is depicted smashing scofflaws with a rod
of iron like clay pots. (cf. Rev 12:5, and Rev 19:15)

Christ capped one of his kingdom parables with this:

†. Luke 19:27 . . But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign
over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.




You really ought to be a bit more circumspect with your choice of words lest
the hapless day arrives when you are forced to eat them.

†. Matt 12:36-37 . . I tell you that men will have to give account on the day
of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words
you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.

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So tell me was Deborah a leader or not?

 

[WebersHome]

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women today live in the New Testament era-- an era where Christ's edicts
reign supreme.

Paul's rules are Christ's rules.

†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of The Lord.

†. 1Ths 4:1-2 . .We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord
Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please
God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments
we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

Refusal to comply with Paul is all the same as refusing to comply with Christ,
and refusal to comply with Christ is all the same as refusal to comply with
his Father. It's a ripple effect all the way to the top.

†. Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you;
rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

Here are Christ's rules viz: his Father's rules.

†. 1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.

†. 1Cor 11:7-9 . . For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch
as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was
the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

†. 1Cor 14:34-35 . . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is
not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under
obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask
their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

†. 1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I
suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be
in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Webster's defines "usurp" as: to take and keep (something, such as power)
in a forceful or violent way; and especially without the right to do so.

In other words: Christian females who overstep the boundaries of primogeniture
as per 1Cor 11:3 and 1Tim 2:13, and who disobey 1Tim 2:11-12 by taking part
in the governing body of a church; are nothing less than head-strong. The
conduct of head-strong females is that of pagan heathens.

†. 1Sam 15:22-23 . . Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and
sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than
sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of
witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.

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[The_highwayman]

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Sophists are fond of pointing to Old Testament female luminaries like
Deborah to justify a Christian church's women leading its Christian men. But
they need to wake up and get their bearings. Deborah wasn't a Christian
woman; and besides: she lived in the Old Testament era. That ship has
sailed and women today live in the New Testament era-- an era where
Christ's edicts reign supreme. Male leadership may not be ideal; but the
bottom line is: males are Christ's gender of choice; and it is his Father's
wishes that believers comply with His son's supervision

†. Matt 17:5 . .Behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a
voice out of the cloud, saying: This is My beloved son, with whom I am well
pleased: Listen to him!

It's very dangerous to oppose Christ. Note the grammatical tense of the
word "abides" in the passage below. It's present tense rather than future,
indicating that people refusing to comply with Christ's regulations are
already under the wrath of God-- no delay and no waiting period.

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does
not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

There are people out there in cyberspace la-la land who have been so
conditioned by greeting cards, religious art, Broadway plays, Christmas
carols, and Hollywood movies and nativity scenes that they have lost sight of
the fact that Jesus Christ is not only a religious figure but also a monarch.
Well; a king can't have people in the kingdom refusing to comply with his
edicts, so the first order of business upon Christ's return to rule the world is
a sweep.

†. Matt 13:40-43 . . As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it
will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and
they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do
evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping
and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the
kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

†. Matt 13:47-50 . . The kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the
sea, and gathering fish of every kind; and when it was filled, they drew it up
on the beach; and they sat down, and gathered the good fish into
containers, but the bad they threw away. So it will be at the end of the age;
the angels shall come forth, and take out the wicked from among the
righteous, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be weeping
and gnashing of teeth.

See the second Psalm where Christ is depicted smashing scofflaws with a rod
of iron like clay pots. (cf. Rev 12:5, and Rev 19:15)

Christ capped one of his kingdom parables with this:

†. Luke 19:27 . . But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign
over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.




You really ought to be a bit more circumspect with your choice of words lest
the hapless day arrives when you are forced to eat them.

†. Matt 12:36-37 . . I tell you that men will have to give account on the day
of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words
you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.

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Oh no the dreaded use of out of context verses, vaguely disguised and designed to rebuke me...

You arrogant Calvinists fail to understand something in all your rants against the rest of us...

In order to rebuke or correct us we need to be under your spiritual authority and guess what? I AM NOT....so spare me the spiritual immaturity....

the dreaded internet christian rebuke...what a LOL joke...

 

[Brighthouse]

Ok in this corner( 1 tim 2:11-5) In the other corner( gal 3:26-29) Now just something to consider from both of these. ( now matt 9:37-38 and luke 10:2) No mention here of any gender either.So what is more important structure or getting anyone willing to work? You decide. hehe

 

[The_highwayman]

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The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

†. Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of The Lord comes-- cruel; with both wrath
and fierce anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement is 'ebrah (eb-raw') which
indicates an outburst of passion. In other words: the wrath of God won't be
weeping big wet crocodile tears while it's slamming the dead at the Great
White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15; no, they will be terminated
with extreme prejudice; viz: their judgment will be administered with choler.
(cf. Isa 63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals
that inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in
attack. Ferocity is an aspect commonly seen among roaring, snarling lions
savagely attacking prey. There's neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in
ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of
humane feelings

†. Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

"fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. It
speaks of someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're
actually red in the face.

There are people out there in pews all around the world who have been so
coddled by sappy versions of Christianity that they have no concept of the
magnitude of the lethal tsunami of rage and violence coming their way to
get them.

Another interesting aspect of the wrath of God is the person appointed to
administer it-- none other than the sweet little baby away in a manger.

†. John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all
judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the
Father.

†. Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with
justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men
by raising him from the dead.

†. Rev 19:15 . . He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the
winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

You know all those horrors depicted in the book of Revelation? Jesus Christ
has been appointed to supervise every one of them.

†. Rev 1:1 . .The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his
servants.

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I find it interesting you calvin boys will only use the OT when it supports a cherry picked doctrine and condemn everyone else that uses it, preaches from it or other things...

Better run along and go duct tape the mouths of the women in your family, oh and make sure they got them dresses down to the knee's and also make sure they are ready to breed for ya and feed ya....

 

[WebersHome]

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in this corner( 1 tim 2:11-5) In the other corner( gal 3:26-29)

It is almost humorous to watch people quote Paul's writings to invalidate
Paul's writings about Christian women's conduct in Christian churches and in
Christian marriages. Peter explained the logic behind those kinds of people's
thinking.

†. 2Pet 3:15-16 . . Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other scriptures, to their own
destruction.

"ignorant and unstable" refers to armchair theologians; viz: self-taught
know-it-alls. Well the Bible isn't supposed to be self-taught. According to
Eph 4:7-14, Christ supplies his church with competent instructors. Those who
prefer to go it alone and/or refuse to be instructed, often end up opposing
Christ in ways they never imagined.

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[WheresEnoch]

Looks like this thread finally died down

 

[Utah]

Looks like this thread finally died down

You can only shoot a dead horse but so man times.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

You can only shoot a dead horse but so man times.

Oh man, you really did it now!



That's too good not to post.

 

[Utah]

I like #12. LOL!

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I like #12. LOL!

The strategy of many businesses, some churches, and especially any government at any level you'd care to name.