Legalism empowers DEMONS in your life!

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Christians miss quoting the Bible and fighting about what they don't understand. You are constantly battling against legalism and if you feel so strongly about it don't read the Torah (first five books of the Bible). Disregards the rest of the Old Testament and move on brother. Try to understand the New Testament without the Old Testament is like trying to understand computers without a keyboard and CPU. It can't be done... and in the end your knowledge could be deemed useless because you miss interpret the word.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

The Bible never told you the law will save you and I have said this to you time and time again but you don't want to listen so I will not repeat this again. Think what you will and keep on paddling in your pond with one oar...
The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed. The Old Testament is like an apple seed being panted in the ground with it being fulfilled into becoming an apple tree within the New Testament. The Law is a schoolmaster (teacher) that brings us unto Christ. Meaning, we know about sin by the Law which tells us we are a sinner in need a Savior. From there, Christ helps us to walk in His good and righteous ways (To love God and to love our neighbor as ourself). The Law was not some kind of failed experiment. The Law is to lead us to Jesus and to help us to know about the Law of love (or the law of Christ).
 
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The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed. The Old Testament is like an apple seed being panted in the ground with it being fulfilled into becoming an apple tree within the New Testament.
But if I read some of the comments I can only imagine that the apple trees are corrupted to the core. We have people here telling us that the law is dead and have no value without explaining all the times in the NT where the writers tells us to keep the commandments.

I also never get a straight answer why a God that never change will have no value for His law after His son was slain.

People are spreading the "cheap grace" message and grace was bought at an incredible high price for every follower of Yeshua the Messiah.
 
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But if I read some of the comments I can only imagine that the apple trees are corrupted to the core. We have people here telling us that the law is dead and have no value without explaining all the times in the NT where the writers tells us to keep the commandments.

I also never get a straight answer why a God that never change will have no value for His law after His son was slain.

People are spreading the "cheap grace" message and grace was bought at an incredible high price for every follower of Yeshua the Messiah.
Jesus spread the good news of salvation and primarily taught New Testament (NT) with his disciples (He did not primarily teach or promote OT or the Old Testament); The NT did not officially begin until Christ's death. It's why the Temple veil was torn (Letting us know the sacrificial system involving the Levitical priesthood was no more). In fact, Jesus was changing things, even within His ministry. He said to no longer render an eye for an eye (Which is OT) but instead he said for us to turn the other cheek (Which is an NT teaching). Peter was told by God in a vision that he could now eat unclean animals. If the OT Law was still binding, then Peter would be breaking the OT Law. In the OT, God had blessed Solomon with great material wealth. But in the NT, he told the rich young ruler that he needed to sell that he had in order to be perfect. This is a change between the OT and the NT. It's why Jesus said no man puts new wine into old wine skins.

The Commands that John talks about in obeying the Lord in his epistles (After Christ's death and resurrection) is in reference to the two greatest commands the Lord had mentioned in the New Testament (Which is taken from the Old but clarified in the New). This is to love God and to love your neighbor. Loving your neighbor fulfills the Law according to Paul (See Romans 13). The Commands are in reference to preaching the gospel and in helping those who are poor, etc. This again, is based on the law of Love or the Law of Christ. We love people when we care about their spriitual and physical well being. In other words, if I took an apple seed and smashed it with a hammer, I would be destroying the Law. But if I let that apple seed be planted in the ground properly, it can then be fulfilled into it's intended purpose or function as an apple tree (i.e. the Law is fulfilled in Jesus Christ).
 
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Jesus taught primarily NT and not OT. While the NT did not officially begin until his death, Jesus taught NT so as to prepare everyone for the change over to the NT.

The OT was a necessary part in order for the NT in being fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ. The OT has valuable lessons for us to unlock that is within the New. The OT speaks and points to the NT (or Jesus Christ).
 
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While Jesus spread the good news of salvation and primarily taught New Testament (NT) with his disciples (He did not primarily teach or promote OT or the Old Testament); The NT did not officially begin until Christ's death. It's why the Temple veil was torn (Letting us know the sacrificial system involving the Levitical priesthood was no more). In fact, Jesus was changing things, even within His ministry. He said to no longer render an eye for an eye (Which is OT) but instead he said for us to turn the other cheek (Which is an NT teaching). Peter was told by God in a vision that he could now eat unclean animals. If the OT Law was still binding, then Peter would be breaking the OT Law. In the OT, God had blessed Solomon with great material wealth. But in the NT, he told the rich young ruler that he needed to sell that he had in order to be perfect. This is a change between the OT and the NT. It's why Jesus said no man puts new wine into old wine skins.

The Commands that John talks about in obeying the Lord in his epistles (After Christ's death and resurrection) is in reference to the two greatest commands the Lord had mentioned in the New Testament (Which is taken from the Old but clarified in the New). This is to love God and to love your neighbor. Loving your neighbor fulfills the Law according to Paul (See Romans 13). The Commands are in reference to preaching the gospel and in helping those who are poor, etc. This again, is based on the law of Love or the Law of Christ. We love people when we care about their spriitual and physical well being. In other words, if I took an apple seed and smashed it with a hammer, I would be destroying the Law. But if I let that apple seed be planted in the ground properly, it can then be fulfilled into it's intended purpose or function as an apple tree (i.e. the Law is fulfilled in Jesus Christ).
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Jason, we all believe that Yeshua and His Father are one. So, if we know Yeshua we know the Father, thus the other way around should also be true, if we know the Father we know Yeshua... Right?

There is no explanation that can make me believe that the law of God is nil and void. The law cannot save you but it shows you the character of the God we serve. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
 
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Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1Jhn5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
 
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Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Jason, we all believe that Yeshua and His Father are one. So, if we know Yeshua we know the Father, thus the other way around should also be true, if we know the Father we know Yeshua... Right?

There is no explanation that can make me believe that the law of God is nil and void. The law cannot save you but it shows you the character of the God we serve. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
There are only 613 recorded OT Commands. The NT has a lot more than that. There are over 1,050 + Commands in the NT. Click on the following link here to check them out.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/99639-new-testament-commands.html

Revelation is talking about the NT ones and not the OT ones.
 
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In fact, Paul said that which has written to us is the Lord's Commandments (1 Corinthians 14:37).
 
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The OT Law was given to Israel. The NT Commands is for the New Covenant believer in Jesus Christ.
 
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So you believe that God changed?
Does God require everyone today to build an Ark? No.
Does God require everyone today to spread across the globe instead of building a giant big tower? No.

Certain Laws and commands are for different people and or people groups thru different points in time.

God creating different rules for different people does not mean God has changed.
 
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Also, speaking of change: God had come down into the flesh of a man (named Jesus Christ). So the Scripture that talks about God not changing is in reference to His loving character, holy behavior, and perfect goodness in everything He does.
 
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Does God require everyone today to build an Ark? No.
Does God require everyone today to spread across the globe instead of building a giant big tower? No.

Certain Laws and commands are for different people and or people groups thru different points in time.

God creating different rules for different people does not mean God has changed.
No, we create different rules for different people. God's rules are the same for us all.
 
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Does God require everyone today to build an Ark? No.
Does God require everyone today to spread across the globe instead of building a giant big tower? No.

Certain Laws and commands are for different people and or people groups thru different points in time.

God creating different rules for different people does not mean God has changed.
PS this doesn't indicate any changes
 
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Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1Jhn5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1 Cr 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Heres another
 
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Certain Laws and commands are for different people and or people groups thru different points in time.

God creating different rules for different people does not mean God has changed.
Bereshit בראשית In the beginning

Bereshit is the first word in the Torah and in our Bibles it is translated as “in the beginning”. When we look at the Hebrew word we can break it up as follows:



ב beyt – house/home
ר resh – head / head of
א aleph - all power / all strength
ש shin – divine protection / all-consuming fire
י yud – hand
ת tav – sign of a cross

We are dealing with Hebrew so please bear with me. Break up the word bereshit into the following words

בר bar - Daniel 3-25 translated as Son
ברא berah meaning, form or shape (2nd word in the Torah)
שי shayee Psalm 68-29 translated as presents / gifts
שית sheet Genesis 4-25 translated as appoint

So in the first word of the Bible we have the salvation plan “Elohim will build/create (berah) a house, He will appoint his son as the head of the house. He will have all power/ all strength is in his hands for divine protection. He will be an all-consuming fire / gift and his sign will be a cross.”

The plan was in motion from the first second God created the world and the plan was the same for all of us.
 
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I already stated my case. It makes sense and it stands. There is no need to go any further if you don't want to see it. However, if are open minded in regards to the Scriptures and you want to learn more about how the New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant, then I would encourage you to read the many articles at the following link below at Grace Community International:

https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses

It has helped me, maybe it will help you.
 
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I already stated my case. It makes sense and it stands. There is no need to go any further if you don't want to see it. However, if are open minded in regards to the Scriptures and you want to learn more about how the New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant, then I would encourage you to read the many articles at the following link below at Grace Community International:

https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses

It has helped me, maybe it will help you.
Jason, was Abraham an Israelite? We all know the answer is No.

So why did he keep God's commandments and the law?

Since day one if you had a relationship with God and listen to His laws and His commandments you were grafted into the vine...

But the people believing in "cheap grace" can't explain that one can they?
 
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James 2:8-10 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right.
{How many meals have fed to the homeless and poor in your town, compared to how many meals you fed yourself?}
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point
is guilty of breaking all of it
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Looks like you are in a HEEP of Trouble with GOD with that theory.
What do you think the Royal law is ? The law of love...this proves that obedience is in love and not legalism...so whats your point?