Legalism empowers DEMONS in your life!

[john832]

As a man thinketh, so is he. If we concentrate on rules, we become bound by them.

Your thought here is very interesting,

As a man thinketh, so is he

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So, if one thinks the Law is no longer in force and no longer applicable, he becomes LAWLESS?

Me? I prefer the quotes of a man after God's own heart...

Psa 119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

 

[Mitspa]

Christians miss quoting the Bible and fighting about what they don't understand. You are constantly battling against legalism and if you feel so strongly about it don't read the Torah (first five books of the Bible). Disregards the rest of the Old Testament and move on brother. Try to understand the New Testament without the Old Testament is like trying to understand computers without a keyboard and CPU. It can't be done... and in the end your knowledge could be deemed useless because you miss interpret the word.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

The Bible never told you the law will save you and I have said this to you time and time again but you don't want to listen so I will not repeat this again. Think what you will and keep on paddling in your pond with one oar...

Why do you think this issue is the most discussed issue in the New Testament ...why do you think Paul battled legalism more than any other issue? Because legalism rejects the Cross and the work of Jesus Christ , legalism is a direct rejection of the gospel! Legalism is not Christianity it is the false gospel that Paul warned us all against!

Ga 1:6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

 

[Mitspa]

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1Jhn5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Yes and John tells us these commandments are faith and love... clearly not the law of Moses! Although we know love fulfills every commandment of God...so still the legalist has no obedience but those who walk in faith and love do.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Why do you think this issue is the most discussed issue in the New Testament ...why do you think Paul battled legalism more than any other issue? Because legalism rejects the Cross and the work of Jesus Christ , legalism is a direct rejection of the gospel! Legalism is not Christianity it is the false gospel that Paul warned us all against!

Ga 1:6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Maybe it is because it was the one place the Pharisees abused their power. But like I said read the NT, ignore the old and interpret everything with your "cheap grace" glasses on. There is nothing you can teach somebody that walks in an un-teachable spirit.

 

[Mitspa]

Your thought here is very interesting, .

So, if one thinks the Law is no longer in force and no longer applicable, he becomes LAWLESS?

Me? I prefer the quotes of a man after God's own heart...

Psa 119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

Who is obedient , those who talk about obedience or those who actually obey Gods law?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Yes and John tells us these commandments are faith and love... clearly not the law of Moses! Although we know love fulfills every commandment of God...so still the legalist has no obedience but those who walk in faith and love do.

He said God's commandments in my Bible. Maybe you found another place in your Bible where the Father gave His commandments but I am aware of one place where God wrote the commandments with His hand.

 

[Mitspa]

Maybe it is because it was the one place the Pharisees abused their power. But like I said read the NT, ignore the old and interpret everything with your "cheap grace" glasses on. There is nothing you can teach somebody that walks in an un-teachable spirit.

No! Legalism was and is the rejection of the Cross and so much of the New Testament is about rejecting legalism because that is clearly Gods Will for the church.

Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Ga 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

And it is Gods commandment that we cast legalist out of the church!

 

[Mitspa]

He said God's commandments in my Bible. Maybe you found another place in your Bible where the Father gave His commandments but I am aware of one place where God wrote the commandments with His hand.

Well clearly you have not read the New Testament much?

1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 ¶ And this is his commandments, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

 

[john832]

Well clearly you have not read the New Testament much?

1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 ¶ And this is his commandments, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Paul understood the two Great Commandments to be a summary of the Ten Commandments...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Not a dismissal.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

No! Legalism was and is the rejection of the Cross and so much of the New Testament is about rejecting legalism because that is clearly Gods Will for the church.

Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Ga 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

And it is Gods commandment that we cast legalist out of the church!

LOL, spinning the word to suit your twisted view? She was cast out because she was in the flesh and not in the Spirit. She didn't know God. Just like we will not get to know God if we can't identify His characteristics.

If we don't have the Holy Spirit the flesh will prosecute the spirit. Have you ever tried to explain something spiritual to an atheist? They don't understand because they are in the flesh not the spirit.

Don't twist scripture brother.

 

[john832]

No! Legalism was and is the rejection of the Cross and so much of the New Testament is about rejecting legalism because that is clearly Gods Will for the church.

Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Ga 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

And it is Gods commandment that we cast legalist out of the church!

Please don't throw me in the briar patch.

(read my sig)

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Well clearly you have not read the New Testament much?

1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 ¶ And this is his commandments, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Again placing words in my mouth. I was quoting scriptures, read them and try again to confront me

 

[Mitspa]

Again placing words in my mouth. I was quoting scriptures, read them and try again to confront me

I didn't see no scripture and I already proved the commandments of God are faith and love...so not sure what you want?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I didn't see no scripture and I already proved the commandments of God are faith and love...so not sure what you want?

I want you to stop twisting scripture and place words in my mouth. Simple as that...

 

[Mitspa]

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Paul understood the two Great Commandments to be a summary of the Ten Commandments...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Not a dismissal.

No Paul was teaching love and the law as a witness to love...

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[Mitspa]

LOL, spinning the word to suit your twisted view? She was cast out because she was in the flesh and not in the Spirit. She didn't know God. Just like we will not get to know God if we can't identify His characteristics.

If we don't have the Holy Spirit the flesh will prosecute the spirit. Have you ever tried to explain something spiritual to an atheist? They don't understand because they are in the flesh not the spirit.

Don't twist scripture brother.

No clearly Paul was talking about legalist and legalist are in the flesh, even if they have the Spirit...

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

No clearly Paul was talking about legalist and legalist are in the flesh, even if they have the Spirit...

If you don't understand scripture don't quote it...

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Do you read what I post or do you just blabber on? I told you this time and time again. You cannot get saved by the law and I don't recall me ever stating you will get the Spirit by keeping the law. I said you get to know the characteristics of the God you serve but relationship is key.

 

[Mitspa]

I want you to stop twisting scripture and place words in my mouth. Simple as that...

Dude relax...no sense getting upset, just make your case for the law and I will make my case for the gospel.

 

[Mitspa]

If you don't understand scripture don't quote it...



Do you read what I post or do you just blabber on? I told you this time and time again. You cannot get saved by the law and I don't recall me ever stating you will get the Spirit by keeping the law. I said you get to know the characteristics of the God you serve but relationship is key.

That's the very point Paul is making that you got saved by faith and was in the spirit, now they went back to the law and are in the flesh.

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Dude relax...no sense getting upset, just make your case for the law and I will make my case for the gospel.

I am not upset