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If I am understanding you correctly above here, you have not ceased or stopped from sin. But you believe that you are not capable of being charged with sin because you believe Jesus took away all your sin (i.e. including future sin). Am I correct? Yes?
If that is your interpretation of these passages, let's go over some of them.
1 Peter 4:1 means we have ceased or stopped from sinning as an action or performance of sinning as a way of life. It doesn't mean you don't sin when you sin. Verse 3 says, for the time of our past life (when we were unbelievers), we used to walk in lasciviousness, lusts, and idolatries, etc. Verse 4 says others (who are in the flesh) think it strange that we run not with them anymore. In other words, we do not perform sinful things as a way of life with others is talking about an action. Cease means to stop. 1 John 3:9 is talking about how the person who is born of God does not commit habitual sin as a way of life anymore. Please look at various translations for 1 John 3:9. Also, look at 1 John 3:10. It says the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest in the fact that whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither is he that loveth not his brother. So again, it's talking about an action. If you do not do righteousness and you don't love your brother you are not of God. That's what it means.
Now, you said what sin do you think Christians can be charged with? Uh, willful sin.
Hebres 10:26 says if we willfully sin after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. Verse 38 says, the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. So yes, sin can be charged to the believer according to Hebrews 10.
So when you quote 1 John 5:17, you have to read it in context to verse 19 that says the whole world lies in wickedness while we are of God. Again, this is making a contrast between how a believer lives and how an unbeliever lives. For verse 21 says we are to keep ourselves from idols. If you believe a "Sin and still be saved" doctrine is in view here, then why warn the brethren against idols? Why say the whole world lies in wickedness when no one would be able to tell you apart from the world?
Romans 4 is talking about Justification and or coming to the faith. It is in context to how when you repent and accept Christ, Jesus imputes His righteousness to you. However, this does not allow you to continue in sin, though. Paul addresses that in Romans 6. For shall we continue in sin because we are not under the Law? Paul replies to that question, with: "God forbid." Meaning you are not allowed to do so. Paul then continues to say in Romans 6 that you are a servant to whom you obey whether sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness. Jesus believes you can only serve two masters. Jesus says a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit (and vise versa). For we will know false prophets by their fruit. Peter says the false prophets are those who have eyes full of adultery and have not ceased from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14). Meaning, they are sinning as a way of life still. They are still sinning like the world all the time. They are stilll iiving in wickedness.
As for your view of Hebrews 6: This is talking about apostasy. Hebrews 6:1 is not talking about a one time repentance. It doesn't say that. It is saying from a Hebrew's perspective (Who used to justify themselves by the Law) in how they repented of the dead works in fact that they used to falsely obey the Law of Moses so as to be saved in their past life before they became a Christian or a believer in Jesus Christ. They have repented of those dead works. Verse 9 makes it clear that Hebrews 4-6 is a possibility. The author of Hebrews says, he is persuaded better things of those he is writing to concernign verses 4-6. So apostasy is still a possibility for the believer.
When you quote 1 John 3:4 you also have to look at the context. 1 John 3:8 says he that committeth sin is of the devil. Verse 14 says we have passed from death unto life because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Meaning.... you cannot hate your brother or you are abiding in death. Verse 15 confirms this even more. It says, whosever hateth his brother is a murderer and ye know htat no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. So yes, how you live will matter in your right standing with God. But again, a true beleiver obeyes the Lord out of love not because of their own self effort but because they have been changed spiritually by God in the fact that they repented of their sin (With a Godly sorrow) and have accepted Jesus as their Savior.
As for being forgiven 70 x 7: This is in reference to past sin and not future sin. Nowhere does the Bible ever say your future sin is forgiven you. 1 John 2:1 says we are to sin not. If any man sins, we have an advocate that we can go to named Jesus Christ. For if we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgiven us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). For if we say we have fellowship with him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth (1 John 1:6). But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses you from all sin (1 John 1:7). This is what Romans 8 is talking about, too. Romans 8:1 says, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who WALK AFTER THE SPIRIT and NOT AFTER THE FLESH. Romans 8:6 says to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
If that is your interpretation of these passages, let's go over some of them.
1 Peter 4:1 means we have ceased or stopped from sinning as an action or performance of sinning as a way of life. It doesn't mean you don't sin when you sin. Verse 3 says, for the time of our past life (when we were unbelievers), we used to walk in lasciviousness, lusts, and idolatries, etc. Verse 4 says others (who are in the flesh) think it strange that we run not with them anymore. In other words, we do not perform sinful things as a way of life with others is talking about an action. Cease means to stop. 1 John 3:9 is talking about how the person who is born of God does not commit habitual sin as a way of life anymore. Please look at various translations for 1 John 3:9. Also, look at 1 John 3:10. It says the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest in the fact that whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither is he that loveth not his brother. So again, it's talking about an action. If you do not do righteousness and you don't love your brother you are not of God. That's what it means.
Now, you said what sin do you think Christians can be charged with? Uh, willful sin.
Hebres 10:26 says if we willfully sin after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. Verse 38 says, the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. So yes, sin can be charged to the believer according to Hebrews 10.
So when you quote 1 John 5:17, you have to read it in context to verse 19 that says the whole world lies in wickedness while we are of God. Again, this is making a contrast between how a believer lives and how an unbeliever lives. For verse 21 says we are to keep ourselves from idols. If you believe a "Sin and still be saved" doctrine is in view here, then why warn the brethren against idols? Why say the whole world lies in wickedness when no one would be able to tell you apart from the world?
Romans 4 is talking about Justification and or coming to the faith. It is in context to how when you repent and accept Christ, Jesus imputes His righteousness to you. However, this does not allow you to continue in sin, though. Paul addresses that in Romans 6. For shall we continue in sin because we are not under the Law? Paul replies to that question, with: "God forbid." Meaning you are not allowed to do so. Paul then continues to say in Romans 6 that you are a servant to whom you obey whether sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness. Jesus believes you can only serve two masters. Jesus says a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit (and vise versa). For we will know false prophets by their fruit. Peter says the false prophets are those who have eyes full of adultery and have not ceased from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14). Meaning, they are sinning as a way of life still. They are still sinning like the world all the time. They are stilll iiving in wickedness.
As for your view of Hebrews 6: This is talking about apostasy. Hebrews 6:1 is not talking about a one time repentance. It doesn't say that. It is saying from a Hebrew's perspective (Who used to justify themselves by the Law) in how they repented of the dead works in fact that they used to falsely obey the Law of Moses so as to be saved in their past life before they became a Christian or a believer in Jesus Christ. They have repented of those dead works. Verse 9 makes it clear that Hebrews 4-6 is a possibility. The author of Hebrews says, he is persuaded better things of those he is writing to concernign verses 4-6. So apostasy is still a possibility for the believer.
When you quote 1 John 3:4 you also have to look at the context. 1 John 3:8 says he that committeth sin is of the devil. Verse 14 says we have passed from death unto life because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Meaning.... you cannot hate your brother or you are abiding in death. Verse 15 confirms this even more. It says, whosever hateth his brother is a murderer and ye know htat no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. So yes, how you live will matter in your right standing with God. But again, a true beleiver obeyes the Lord out of love not because of their own self effort but because they have been changed spiritually by God in the fact that they repented of their sin (With a Godly sorrow) and have accepted Jesus as their Savior.
As for being forgiven 70 x 7: This is in reference to past sin and not future sin. Nowhere does the Bible ever say your future sin is forgiven you. 1 John 2:1 says we are to sin not. If any man sins, we have an advocate that we can go to named Jesus Christ. For if we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgiven us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). For if we say we have fellowship with him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth (1 John 1:6). But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses you from all sin (1 John 1:7). This is what Romans 8 is talking about, too. Romans 8:1 says, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who WALK AFTER THE SPIRIT and NOT AFTER THE FLESH. Romans 8:6 says to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
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Hebrews 9 is not talking about how he has paid future sin for the believer. It is talking about how Christ's sacrifice pays for those who come to him the right way thru out all time. For Jesus died for the sins of the entire world so as to offer the free gift of salvation to everyone. That does not mean everyone is saved. A person has to properly receive Christ's love gift and then not throw it away once they have it. For gifts can be destroyed or ruined. Oh, and before you say it, in Hebrews 10, the blood of goats and bulls never took away sin. That is why they had to revisit the same past sins over and over every year. The blood of goats and bullls was only a temporary covering of sin. Jesus' one time sacrifice forever takes away our past sins once we confess our sins to Jesus Christ. We no longer have to keep going to a human priest to worry about our past sin anymore. It says nothing about our future sin being forgiven. 1 John 2:1 says we are to sin not and if we do sin, we have an advocate we can go to named Jesus Christ. For if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9).
For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.[SUP]26 [/SUP]Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself Heb9:24-26
Fearing God and loving him is not a contradiction. A son can fear their dad and also love him, too. All Scripture has to be looked at side by side. One verse does not nullify another verse within God's Word. All of God's Word breaths in harmony. The Scriptures say the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Job 28:28 essentially says that to fear the Lord is wisdom and to depart from evil is understanding. This is what 1 John 2:3 says, too. It is says we know God by the fact that we keep His commandments. 1 John 1:6 says if we say we have fellowship with him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth. For the Scriptures say, perfect love casts out fear. So when we say we love him because he loved us first, this is a love with a healthy respect for our Father's good ways (Knowing that disobedience shows a lack of respect and a lack of love for one's Father).
Again, Jesus is the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the entire world. Hebrews 9 is tallking about how He had redeemed all of mankind so as to offer man his free love gift. In Hebrews 9, Jesus completed the final stage of our redemption when he told Mary not to touch him and then He ascended to the Heavenly Temple up in Heaven and entered it by His blood to present it to God the Father (So as to be our mediator between God the Father and man). Jesus was finishing our plan of redemption by becoming our Heavenly high priest and advocate so that when people confess and forsake their sins, he can then forgive them.
For what is the purpose of Jesus being our Heavenly high priest or advocate if all our future sin is forgiven us? Revelation says, he forever lives to make intercession for us. Meaning he can intercede on our behalf if we go to Him. Jesus is Holy and He cannot make excuses for any future sin you might commit against Him with no remorse. That doesn't make any sense. Jesus is good and not bad.
For what is the purpose of Jesus being our Heavenly high priest or advocate if all our future sin is forgiven us? Revelation says, he forever lives to make intercession for us. Meaning he can intercede on our behalf if we go to Him. Jesus is Holy and He cannot make excuses for any future sin you might commit against Him with no remorse. That doesn't make any sense. Jesus is good and not bad.
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For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. [SUP]25[/SUP]Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself
Why did the High priest enter the most Holy place once a year? To offer sacrifices for all the peoples sins UNDER the old covenant. He entered their for their sins.
Christ did not have to offer himself again and again for the sins of His people, as the High priest offered sacrifices for sins for the people under the old covenant, because he paid one sacrifice, an eternal sacrifice for all those who would come to God through him.
Why did the High priest enter the most Holy place once a year? To offer sacrifices for all the peoples sins UNDER the old covenant. He entered their for their sins.
Christ did not have to offer himself again and again for the sins of His people, as the High priest offered sacrifices for sins for the people under the old covenant, because he paid one sacrifice, an eternal sacrifice for all those who would come to God through him.
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I just think you need to be born again, a new creation with new desires in order to enter the Kingdom of God. If someone doesn't have new desires, they should definitely repent and ask God to change them. They should definitely study the words of Christ until they fully understand what He is saying. Instead of trying to obey commands that someone finds oppressive and impossible, pray that they become enjoyable, easy and life giving. I think there are many false conversions in our time, examine your motives for wanting to follow Christ.
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If you are not born again, you will be inwardly sinful and try to find various ways to feed your lusts and struggle your entire life to stop sinning while still being a slave to sin. It won't work like that. If someone is born again, they become obedient from the heart and their outward actions follow.
It is talking about past sin. As I said before, in Hebrews 10, the priests would offer sacrifices over and over for past sins because the blood of goats and bulls never took away sin permanently. The priests never offered sacrifices for future sin. That would be giving people a license to sin. God would never approve of that. Jesus one time sacrifice shows that he forever took away our past sin and now the OT saint does not have to keep making sacrifices with a human priest over and over to cover PAST sin.
Jesus does AWAY with sin by the sacrifice of himself as a part of His plan of redeeming all of mankind so to offer him the free love gift. It's not saying he is taking away all future sin of the believer. The passage does not say that. You are making the passsage say something that it does not specifically say.
Jesus does AWAY with sin by the sacrifice of himself as a part of His plan of redeeming all of mankind so to offer him the free love gift. It's not saying he is taking away all future sin of the believer. The passage does not say that. You are making the passsage say something that it does not specifically say.
It is not possible for it to be talking about past sins. The writer explains the High priest entered the most Holy place each year for the sins of the people. He entered there for the sins of people ALREADY UNDER THE COVENANT. Christ does not have to keep sacrificing himself for people under the new covenant for he paid a once and for all time sacrifice for all their sin, unlike under the old covenant where sacrifices for sin had to be paid for those under it.
Thus, he did away with sin unto condemnation by the sacrifice of himself. It is plainly written
Thus, he did away with sin unto condemnation by the sacrifice of himself. It is plainly written
I am not sure you understand the duties involved involving a priest. A priest is someone who acts on your behalf. You would go to a priest if you sinned. Jesus is our Heavenly High priest that you can go to if you sin. Jesus is not an excuser or a condoner of your sin. Jesus is Holy and righteous and He will never approve of anyone committing sin. For if I agreed to your future evil, it would make me just as guilty of your evil. Don't you see?
The priest offered sacrifices for the sins of the people under the old covenant. The writer of Hebrews is plain, that is not needed for people under the new covenant. No sacrifices have to be made for the people already under it, as they did for people under the old covenant. That is because Jesus died for all your sin at Calvary
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]8 [/SUP]First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, [SUP]13 [/SUP]and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[SUP][c][/SUP]
[SUP]18[/SUP]And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary Heb10:5-17
but a body you prepared for me;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]8 [/SUP]First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, [SUP]13 [/SUP]and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[SUP][c][/SUP]
[SUP]18[/SUP]And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary Heb10:5-17
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