Legalism empowers DEMONS in your life!

[michael56]

since open rebuke is better than hidden love, why do you think love could be silent ?

Yahweh's Word contradicts what you say, so is HE UNLOVING ? is HE INCONSISTENT... ? (no, but if you don't listen

to him... )

or , would you as it appears prefer others to join you on the wide road ?

Oh I do listen to Jesus:

In regard to sin because people do not believe in me(John 16:9)

Why did Jesus not say:

In regard to sin transgression of the law?

 

[Jeff_56]

but the Spirit never willingly breaks a commandment , .... that's too hard for those who aren't regenerated to do.... (so to them, it's not fair!!!)

 

[michael56]

but the Spirit never willingly breaks a commandment , .... that's too hard for those who aren't regenerated to do.... (so to them, it's not fair!!!)

So if you don't show love to some people, why is that? Because you willingly sin, or have not yet learnt how to love others, or are you not regenerated, or you are in ignorance of the commandment?

 

[Jeff_56]

Oh I do listen to Jesus:
In regard to sin because people do not believe in me(John 16:9)
Why did Jesus not say:
In regard to sin transgression of the law?

the demons listen to Jesus also. how are you different ? (the demons know what Jesus says. you don't. why?)

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Oh I do listen to Jesus:

In regard to sin because people do not believe in me(John 16:9)

Why did Jesus not say:

In regard to sin transgression of the law?

Michael, I will repeat this because hopefully it will be absorbed at some stage:

The law was never given to mankind to save us. It was always (and please repeat this in your head) always relationship with God.

The law is God's character and that is why it is important for us to take note of the law...

 

[michael56]

the demons listen to Jesus also. how are you different ? (the demons know what Jesus says. you don't. why?)

Possibly you cannot understand what Jesus meant

 

[Jeff_56]

So if you don't show love to some people, why is that? Because you willingly sin, or have not yet learnt how to love others, or you are in ignorance of the commandment?

if you listened to Jesus you would already know and wouldn't blaspheme.

if you knew what love was, you would already know, and wouldn't ask.

 

[michael56]

Michael, I will repeat this because hopefully it will be absorbed at some stage:

The law was never given to mankind to save us. It was always (and please repeat this in your head) always relationship with God.

The law is God's character and that is why it is important for us to take note of the law...

I think your post is out of context to the discussion.

BTW

I HOPE YOU DO NOT RELY ON YOUR HEAD TO ABSORB SPIRITUAL TRUTH

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I think your post is out of context to the discussion.

BTW

I HOPE YOU DO NOT RELY ON YOUR HEAD TO ABSORB SPIRITUAL TRUTH

So you actually do believe in the law then? Oops then I missed the point...

 

[michael56]

So you actually do believe in the law then? Oops then I missed the point...

You often do!!

 

[Jeff_56]

Michael, I will repeat this because hopefully it will be absorbed at some stage:
The law was never given to mankind to save us. It was always (and please repeat this in your head) always relationship with God.
The law is God's character and that is why it is important for us to take note of the law...

remember the ones set free from demons in the NT were not set free, not ever, by "absorbing" anything Jesus said.

Jesus or the disciples simply drove the demon(s) away with a word.

As long as he's not willing, no one can help - like Jerusalem when Jesus said He would have gathered them under His wings, but they "would not"....

Jesus won't violate his free will.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

You often do!!

Welcome to the club brother...

 

[VCO]

"Just a sincere question. In your view, if a person loves God and their neighbor, do they then need to concentrate on the literal words of commandments to obey them and show that love, or by simply loving God and others will they obey God's commands without having to refer to them?"

"..In your view..." doesn't matter one iota. what is God's view - that's what counts.

He wants us concentrating on HIM. seeking HIM with our lives immersed completely always in Yahshua.

not on trying to keep a list of rules or regulations....

delight in HIM, in HIS WORD, like KING DAVID, or rather like YAHSHUA(of course),

and like all the ekklesia. everywhere. all the time. DELIGHT IN YAHWEH'S WORD.

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF you are a new creation. IF IF IF IF IF IF you have a new heart and new soul and new spirit -

BORN BY THE WILL OF YAHWEH and not man and the flesh....

THEN THEN THEN THEN THEN THEN you will love to do what YAHWEH wants to do - what you see Him DO, you will DO,
what YAHWEH SPEAKS, you will speak. so simple, true, and pure.

and YAHWEH faithfully honors HIS OWN WORD more than HE honors HIS OWN NAME. -- so

you don't have to worry or concentrate or even think at all that YAHWEH will break one of HIS OWN WORDS(commandments).....

now,

back to being a son of yahweh. since yahweh won't break one of his own commandments, ever.

and a son does what he sees his father doing, (if he's really a son, or a good son anyway(by yahweh's own word)).

then a son won't break one of yahweh's words(commandments), BUT he will rejoice over them instead - he will

joyfully and willingly and whole-heartedly BE A DOER OF THE WORD and not a HEARER ONLY.

EVERYTHING the FATHER SAYS TO DO, the son will do. always, day and night, for the rest of his life.....

☝t<><

1 John 2:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

2 John 1:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

Philippians 2:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death— even to death on a cross.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For this reason God highly exalted Him and gave Him the name that is above every name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow— of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth—

Matthew 7:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋
the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . .☝

 

[Jeff_56]

So you actually do believe in the law then? Oops then I missed the point...

he's not free to believe in truth, not yet anyway. apparently still being under deception, not wanting to repent for whatever reason , he'll go one way one minute, then contradict himself the next (even in the same sentence) , and never realize it....

 

[michael56]

Welcome to the club brother...

A Christian cannot fail to take note of the law God desires them to keep for that law is written on their mind and placed on their heart

The law comes in two parts. The law itself and the penalty for disobedience(sin). The latter is removed for the born again Christian, the former has been transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts. The two are inextricably linked

 

[michael56]

he's not free to believe in truth, not yet anyway. apparently still being under deception, not wanting to repent for whatever reason , he'll go one way one minute, then contradict himself the next (even in the same sentence) , and never realize it....

If you know the truth, please tell me why sin shall not be a persons master for they are not under law but under grace

 

[Jeff_56]

so you agree the righteous son of the father obeys the father ? or not? your post appears non sequitor ..

☝t<><

1 John 2:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

2 John 1:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

Philippians 2:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death— even to death on a cross.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For this reason God highly exalted Him and gave Him the name that is above every name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow— of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth—

Matthew 7:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

If you know the truth, please tell me

We often do but I am afraid it is over your head.

 

[michael56]

We often do but I am afraid it is over your head.

You keep referring to the ''head'' where spiritual understanding is concerned


Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[SUP][a][/SUP]; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile 1Cor3:18-20

 

[michael56]

We often do but I am afraid it is over your head.

The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know 1Cor4:6