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I did read it and your point?
The Bible never tells us that Abraham was without sin and I never said Abraham tithed for repentance of sin, I said He knew the law even if it was not written down by Moses, yet... but just like so many other people on this website you try to twist words to suit you and your doctrines
The Bible never tells us that Abraham was without sin and I never said Abraham tithed for repentance of sin, I said He knew the law even if it was not written down by Moses, yet... but just like so many other people on this website you try to twist words to suit you and your doctrines
LOOK WHAT YOU JUST DID, YOU JUST SUBTRACTED FROM HIS WORD TO MAKE THAT "EVERY JOT AND TITTLE" REFERENCE FIT YOUR TWISTED THEOLOGY:
Matthew 5:18 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law tillall is fulfilled. {Clearly the "all is fulfilled includes the atmosphere and earth passing away.}
Deuteronomy 4:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.
Revelation 22:19 (NIV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
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No, that was not a accusation, but rather, just an explanation of my beliefs. I guess I just assumed you had a limited understanding of HIS OMNIPRESENCE, sorry. In my life time I have met VERY, VERY FEW Christians who understood that Omnipresence includes every second of TIME as we know it. I am really glad you do. THANK YOU for your reply.
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what is your point. 70 ad proves. who can follow the full law. (jesus is back in heaven)
if you cant read the bible in context ,to what is written, what difference will it make to speculation to a spiritual meaning.
even if you claim to be a apostle of jesus, you still cant follow the law, that was give to moses, the same way jesus christ did without a temple of stone.
why are you talking about commandments. when you would already know a new covenant never left the law in place for a gentile. even acts 15 proves this.
so have a bigger view to what god did, the quote below are a guide to help you see this.
those who believe in him, because of jesus christ grace, get automatic forgiveness.
43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.John 3
this would ask how can he reach the end of the world with the message. ie through jesus christ.
6 he says:
"It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth."Isaiah 49:
and forgiveness but how will the get forgiveness.
18 Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity
and passing over transgression
for the remnant of his inheritance?
He does not retain his anger forever,
because he delights in steadfast love.Micah 7
even the prophets proclaim the forgiveness.
grace a gift from god to the children that believe in god through jesus christ.
if you cant read the bible in context ,to what is written, what difference will it make to speculation to a spiritual meaning.
even if you claim to be a apostle of jesus, you still cant follow the law, that was give to moses, the same way jesus christ did without a temple of stone.
why are you talking about commandments. when you would already know a new covenant never left the law in place for a gentile. even acts 15 proves this.
so have a bigger view to what god did, the quote below are a guide to help you see this.
those who believe in him, because of jesus christ grace, get automatic forgiveness.
43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.John 3
this would ask how can he reach the end of the world with the message. ie through jesus christ.
6 he says:
"It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth."Isaiah 49:
and forgiveness but how will the get forgiveness.
18 Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity
and passing over transgression
for the remnant of his inheritance?
He does not retain his anger forever,
because he delights in steadfast love.Micah 7
even the prophets proclaim the forgiveness.
grace a gift from god to the children that believe in god through jesus christ.
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Well look it up in the Greek...thats the exact term "dogma" ...
The written code of the law .....
2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones,
The written code of the law .....
2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones,
M
Your wrong the word is "dogma" and im not adding anything, im doing what all true bible students and teachers do, they look to the true intention of the original text...
by the way are you one of those who think part of the law is fulfilled in Christ and other parts are not? That's probably why you are confused?
by the way are you one of those who think part of the law is fulfilled in Christ and other parts are not? That's probably why you are confused?
L
So what is dogma according to your understanding? Also are you saying that all the ten commandments are done away? Jesus said He did not come to do away with the law. The Bible says the law is good, but we are not. The problem is not with the law, but with us. None of the 10 commandments are bad, they are all for our benefit. If everyone kept the 10 commandments it would be heaven on earth.
M
Ok so now we get to your problem...Jesus said He came to fulfill all or nothing...right?
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
That's exactly what He did...He fulfilled it all for those who are "in Him"
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And the word dogma is a "legal" term...."legal dogma" is the most accurate translation of that passage!
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
That's exactly what He did...He fulfilled it all for those who are "in Him"
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And the word dogma is a "legal" term...."legal dogma" is the most accurate translation of that passage!
Are you deliberately misquoting Rom 10:4 or do you just not know any better?
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
The word for "end" here is...
G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
It means outcome or point aimed at. This word, G5056 τέλος, is used other places in the N.T., let's look at them...
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Yep, G5056 τέλος is the word used here for end. So, is your faith obliterated? Done away with? Brought to an end? or is it brought to an outcome of salvation?
Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
Same word, G5056 τέλος, for end here. Is this the obliteration of the Lord? The doing away with Him? The use of the word is determined by context. Let's see how a few other translations render it...
New International Version:
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
International Standard Version:
For the Messiah is the culmination of the Law as far as righteousness is concerned for everyone who believes
Aramaic Bible in Plain English:
For The Messiah is the consummation of The Written Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
The sense of it is the end result, not the obliteration.
Rom 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
I wish I had a nickel for every time someone has misused Rom 10:4
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
The word for "end" here is...
G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
It means outcome or point aimed at. This word, G5056 τέλος, is used other places in the N.T., let's look at them...
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Yep, G5056 τέλος is the word used here for end. So, is your faith obliterated? Done away with? Brought to an end? or is it brought to an outcome of salvation?
Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
Same word, G5056 τέλος, for end here. Is this the obliteration of the Lord? The doing away with Him? The use of the word is determined by context. Let's see how a few other translations render it...
New International Version:
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
International Standard Version:
For the Messiah is the culmination of the Law as far as righteousness is concerned for everyone who believes
Aramaic Bible in Plain English:
For The Messiah is the consummation of The Written Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
The sense of it is the end result, not the obliteration.
Rom 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
I wish I had a nickel for every time someone has misused Rom 10:4
M
Well of course it is...and it shows that for a believer the "old" creation has passed away....Its is the fulfillment of What Christ spoke of in Matt 5:18....
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Again with the misrepresentations of scripture?
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Has heaven and earth passed away? What does the word ALL mean?
Luke 16:17 shows you to be less than forthright here...
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Has heaven and earth passed away? What does the word ALL mean?
Luke 16:17 shows you to be less than forthright here...
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.