The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same Law.

[Karraster]

WOW! You three are in very "deep waters". To Scuba, You have a very sick mind ,to think that God's HOLY laws give us liberty to sin. To JaumeJ, you are very close to the truth. But for a law to "not be good" doesn't mean, it is "bad". God does not give us "immoral", "bad" laws. I see your meaning of "bad" is "punishments", like "death". This is "bad" for the one dying, But good for society as a whole. To posthuman, You are twisting Eze. 's words to make God look "good". JaumeJ is closer to the truth. SO, What laws were "not good"? In my opinion, the laws of ordinances were not "good", not pleasant to live with. To circumcise a male is not pleasant, and in a modern,clean society is not needed. To kill someone for picking up sticks on the sabbath day is "not good", "pleasant." Not eating pork is not a "good" law.. etc. etc. Jesus destroyed these "bad" laws. God was getting very MEAN, because of their wickednesses. God is allowed to do so, because He is the law given, and no one can question God. Now, in the N,T. God is not so mean to us. We have the law of liberty to eat anytime, with moderation. etc. etc. Love to all, Hoffco

Not that Almighty needs to be defended, but I wonder at your "God was getting very MEAN' statement. Don't you know He was always loving and merciful? Don't you know the same Messiah who lay His life down, was also in that burning bush?

 

[JaumeJ]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Karraster again.

 

[john832]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Karraster again.

P.S. He was also the same one who gave the Law from Mt. Sinai.

 

[JaumeJ]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to john832 again.

 

[Scuba]

I have never seen a scripture anywhere advising us to read scripture only for outward behavior. Or read that all those from Moses to Christ were spiritually dead. Surely you don't include the prophets. I love the book of Isaiah because of it's teaching about always coming to God in spirit and truth.

You must have some basis for reporting that scripture tells us this, would you tell us about it?

Yes, God did empower some with His Spirit to do a work that He called them to but the rest were dead. This is why there was a need for the New Covenant in order that all might be born again, born of God's Spirit and come alive from spiritual death.

Ezekiel 36:25-28 I will sprinkle clean water on you and make you clean from all your idols and everything else that has defiled you. I will give you a new heart and a new mind. I will take away your stubborn heart of stone and give you an obedient heart. I will put my Spirit in you and will see to it that you follow my laws and keep all the commands I have given you.Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors. You will be my people, and I will be your God.

Acts 2:17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream dreams.

Prior to this we were all spiritually dead.

Ephesians 2:1-5 In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins. At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God. Actually all of us were like them and lived according to our natural desires, doing whatever suited the wishes of our own bodies and minds. In our natural condition we, like everyone else, were destined to suffer God's anger. But God's mercy is so abundant, and his love for us is so great, that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ. It is by God's grace that you have been saved.

Colossians 2:13 You were at one time spiritually dead because of your sins and because you were Gentiles without the Law. But God has now brought you to life with Christ. God forgave us all our sins.

 

[Jeff_56]

I disagree also and again quote the most unpopular Voice of the New Testament...

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

so true. so true. the little children who have been forgiven love this verse and all the word of yahweh.

those with a demon, flesh, carnal, motives; or with unconfessed sin they haven't stopped, they feel guilty and so

complain that that verse doesn't apply and that the bible doesn't mean what it says ..... wonder why..... ?

everyone with a clear conscience abiding in christ jesus and sitting with him in the heavenlies (even without understanding it - just real and true because HE SAYS SO)

rests easy in regards to the law because they don't break the law any more and aren't subject to its penalty(death).

and if they do sin again, jesus has provided and it is written what to do for any more sin. so simple.

 

[john832]

I was just pointing out to Scuba that 2Cor 3:3 is not the goto verse.
Heb 8:10 and Jer 31 are addressed to Israel and Judah.

Yep and that is who the New Covenant is made with.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

Micah 2:1
1Woe to those who devise wickedness
and work evil on their beds!
When the morning dawns, they perform it,
because it is in the power of their hand.

 

[Jeff_56]

Micah 2:1
1Woe to those who devise wickedness
and work evil on their beds!
When the morning dawns, they perform it,
because it is in the power of their hand.

this is the whole world according to revelation. (only the remnant escapes the power of demons)

[h=3]Revelation 9:20 - Bible Gateway[/h]https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation%209:20‎

• Cached

[SUP]20[/SUP] And the rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, repented not
of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and the idols ...

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

this is the whole world according to revelation. (only the remnant escapes the power of demons)

Revelation 9:20 - Bible Gateway

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation 9:20‎

• Cached

[SUP]20[/SUP] And the rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, repented not
of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and the idols ...

Would that be the remnant according to God's election or according to man's theories? Also the fruits of ones doings speak of what kind of spirit is within them.

Hebrews 6:1-12
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this will we do, if God permit. 4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

9But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

 

[gotime]

If the same law that was written on stone is written on our hearts, and that law only brought death because we are sinners, are you saying we should have nothing to do with the law in our hearts or on stone being they are the same and bring death?

no that is not what I am saying.

The law on stone condemns us because we are sinners.

That same law on our hearts heals us and conforms us to His image.

Think of it like this.

Imagine a Robot with corrupt programming so that it does not do what I should.

The law is a perfect program that when we look at it only tells us we are corrupted.

But when that law is put into the robot it no longer condemns but corrects the program.

 

[Grandpa]

no that is not what I am saying.

The law on stone condemns us because we are sinners.

That same law on our hearts heals us and conforms us to His image.

Think of it like this.

Imagine a Robot with corrupt programming so that it does not do what I should.

The law is a perfect program that when we look at it only tells us we are corrupted.

But when that law is put into the robot it no longer condemns but corrects the program.

When Love is put into the heart it no longer condemns but causes that heart to walk in love.

The 10 commandments don't cause love. They just demand it.

Coming to the Lord Jesus causes us to see what love is. And what love does.

Have you gotten any testimonies yet from people who come to Christ and the 10 Commandments are shed abroad in their heart???

Galatians 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Your proof that someone is saved is that the law has brought them to Christ and now they are still under the law to perform it but no longer for salvation??? Not much of a revelation if you ask me. Sounds like someone who was under the law and still wants to be under the law and doesn't understand anything else. With a nod to Christ giving Him your mental assent. Thanks for coming down so we can still work at the law but no longer be condemned by it?

What are works of the law? Why are people who work at the law still under the curse?? Why are those works of the law not of faith?

We are saved by grace through faith and not of works lest any boast. That's weird isn't it? Saved by Grace and not our work at the law?

Why were the 10 commandments written on our hearts if working at them causes us to be cursed? How can their be no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus if those who are in Christ Jesus are working at the law?

Your legalistic theory doesn't hold any water and contradicts its own self at every step.

 

[gotime]

When Love is put into the heart it no longer condemns but causes that heart to walk in love.

The 10 commandments don't cause love. They just demand it.

Coming to the Lord Jesus causes us to see what love is. And what love does.

Have you gotten any testimonies yet from people who come to Christ and the 10 Commandments are shed abroad in their heart???

Galatians 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Your proof that someone is saved is that the law has brought them to Christ and now they are still under the law to perform it but no longer for salvation??? Not much of a revelation if you ask me. Sounds like someone who was under the law and still wants to be under the law and doesn't understand anything else. With a nod to Christ giving Him your mental assent. Thanks for coming down so we can still work at the law but no longer be condemned by it?

What are works of the law? Why are people who work at the law still under the curse?? Why are those works of the law not of faith?

We are saved by grace through faith and not of works lest any boast. That's weird isn't it? Saved by Grace and not our work at the law?

Why were the 10 commandments written on our hearts if working at them causes us to be cursed? How can their be no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus if those who are in Christ Jesus are working at the law?

Your legalistic theory doesn't hold any water and contradicts its own self at every step.

well of course we disagree.

I believe that Jesus came to forgive us our sins by taking them on himself. but He also came to free us from sin.

sin is killing, stealing, adulteries etc. So If Jesus came to free us then we will not do those things anymore. thus we are keeping the law.

you still don't get it do you? writing them on our hearts is not us working its Him changing us.

God doesn't actually write letters or words on our hearts, its simply a way of giving us faith that God does something to our hearts that changes us. God does not literally take out our old hearts and put in new ones its just a way of giving us faith that God will change us.

SO what does He change us into? The opposite of what we were.

Sinners cease to sin.
disobedient become obedient.
law breakers become law keepers.
people without love become loving.

all four of these are different ways of saying the exact same thing.

 

[WheresEnoch]

well of course we disagree.

I believe that Jesus came to forgive us our sins by taking them on himself. but He also came to free us from sin.

sin is killing, stealing, adulteries etc. So If Jesus came to free us then we will not do those things anymore. thus we are keeping the law.

you still don't get it do you? writing them on our hearts is not us working its Him changing us.

God doesn't actually write letters or words on our hearts, its simply a way of giving us faith that God does something to our hearts that changes us. God does not literally take out our old hearts and put in new ones its just a way of giving us faith that God will change us.

SO what does He change us into? The opposite of what we were.

Sinners cease to sin.
disobedient become obedient.
law breakers become law keepers.
people without love become loving.

all four of these are different ways of saying the exact same thing.

It's gotime!

 

[WheresEnoch]

well of course we disagree.

I believe that Jesus came to forgive us our sins by taking them on himself. but He also came to free us from sin.

sin is killing, stealing, adulteries etc. So If Jesus came to free us then we will not do those things anymore. thus we are keeping the law.

you still don't get it do you? writing them on our hearts is not us working its Him changing us.

God doesn't actually write letters or words on our hearts, its simply a way of giving us faith that God does something to our hearts that changes us. God does not literally take out our old hearts and put in new ones its just a way of giving us faith that God will change us.

SO what does He change us into? The opposite of what we were.

Sinners cease to sin.
disobedient become obedient.
law breakers become law keepers.
people without love become loving.

all four of these are different ways of saying the exact same thing.

Yes, if you love Christ and God more than yourself. You will not sin against them.
If you love your neighbor more than yourself, you will not sin against them.

If you continue to sin against them, you love your sin more than them and your faith is worthless.
Because your master is the one whom you love and obey.

So who is your master? Christ or the devil? Choose whom you love with your thoughts and actions!

 

[fredjames]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

The Law on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same Law. Listen.

The Law written on tablets of stone.

Exodus 24:12 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.”

The Law written on tablets of stone.

Exodus 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The Law written on tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

The Law not written on tablets of stone, but rather, now written on the heart.

2 Corinthians 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

The Law on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same Law.

Finally and not to be forgotten also, about the written 'All' Spiritual knowledge in the HOLY BIBLE, especially the New Covenant for Christians, that the 'same' HOLY SPIRIT also 'inspired' 'All Scriptures' written in the HOLY BIBLE and they are 'All written and Profitable For', as according to 2 Timothy 3;16. 17;

" 'All Scripture' is 'breathed out by GOD/inspired'(by the HOLY SPIRIT) and 'profitable' for 'Teaching', for 'Reproof', for 'Correction' and for 'Training in Righteousness', that a man of GOD may be 'competent', 'equipped' for 'every good work."

 

[Sophia]

Can the Law written on our hearts condemn us? Or is that a contradiction?
I am asking sincerely, not a rhetorical question.

 

[michael56]

Can the Law written on our hearts condemn us? Or is that a contradiction?
I am asking sincerely, not a rhetorical question.

If the law is placed on our hearts, we in our hearts want to obey that law? If God has transferred the law we are required to keep from an external law written on tablets of stone, to an internal law written on our hearts, why would the penalty of sin remain for a person who in their heart wants to obey God?

 

[WheresEnoch]

Can the Law written on our hearts condemn us? Or is that a contradiction?
I am asking sincerely, not a rhetorical question.

Good question.
Condemn as in judgement day? or in the moment/conscience?

For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

 

[Sophia]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

From what I am reading in the Word, God does not change, but something DID change when Christ laid down His life for us.

The result of His work effected ALL things.
Think of how the Prophets and leaders, from Joshua to Sampson to David, all fought against flesh and blood,
and yet we are told our fight is no longer against flesh and blood... then Christ told the disciples to sell their cloak to buy a sword, and then the Apostles tells us that the Word is the sword.

I don't understand the fullness of what changed, but something did,
and it is because of Christ and what He did for us.