Legalism empowers DEMONS in your life!

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Maybe you are afraid to answer?

Romans 7:6 KJV
(6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


What law are we delivered from?

Romans 7:5 KJV
(5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Romans 8:2 KJV
(2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


These texts are clear we are delivered from the law of sin and death.

Romans 6:23 KJV
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Really have we been delivered from the law and thrust into religion, which is works based just as the law is?
 
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Mitspa

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Maybe you are afraid to answer?

Romans 7:6 KJV
(6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


What law are we delivered from?

Romans 7:5 KJV
(5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Romans 8:2 KJV
(2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


These texts are clear we are delivered from the law of sin and death.

Romans 6:23 KJV
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Dude what does it clearly say?


Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,Thou shalt not covet.

 
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Dude what does it clearly say?


Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,Thou shalt not covet.

Yes but we create our own laws.
 
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Laodicea

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Really have we been delivered from the law and thrust into religion, which is works based just as the law is?

Another who teaches the love gospel. Christ delivered us from the law of sin and death.

Romans 6:14 KJV
(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


The reason sin does not have dominion over us is because Christ has freed us from the law of sin and death and since sin does not have dominion over us then that should make us commandment keepers.

Romans 8:4 KJV
(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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Laodicea

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Dude what does it clearly say?


Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,Thou shalt not covet.

Clearly you do not use all texts on the matter. Doctrine is not and should never be based on one or two texts alone.
 
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Mitspa

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Another who teaches the love gospel. Christ delivered us from the law of sin and death.

Romans 6:14 KJV
(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


The reason sin does not have dominion over us is because Christ has freed us from the law of sin and death and since sin does not have dominion over us then that should make us commandment keepers.

Romans 8:4 KJV
(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The law of sin and death is the law of Moses...

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones,

And legalism is not the Spirit, its the flesh.
 
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Woo hooo the law of the Spirit, So mysterious and far fetched but the truth. The law that we follow is the law of the Spirit and what is that law?
 
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Mitspa

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Clearly you do not use all texts on the matter. Doctrine is not and should never be based on one or two texts alone.
Well this one is clear, whether you believe it or not is up to you.
 
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Mitspa

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Woo hooo the law of the Spirit, So mysterious and far fetched but the truth. The law that we follow is the law of the Spirit and what is that law?
It the law written upon the heart, by the Holy Spirit...


2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Do you have the Holy spirit?
 
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Woo hooo the law of the Spirit, So mysterious and far fetched but the truth. The law that we follow is the law of the Spirit and what is that law?
To love God and people more than yourself:

Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Do not have sexually immoral, disrespectful, hateful, greedy, covetous thoughts.
Do not steal, do no commit adultery or do sexually immoral things, do not lie, do not disrespect people.
Do not be anxious or worry.
Repay evil with good
Borrow without expecting anything in return
Do not curse/tame your tongue


  1. Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you (Matt. 5:44).
  2. Resist not evil: if a man smite thee on one cheek, turn to him the other also (Matt. 5:30-40).
  3. Avenge not yourselves: rather give place unto wrath: and suffer yourselves to be defrauded (Rom. 12:18, 19).
  4. If a man take away thy goods, ask them not again (Luke 6:29, 30).
  5. Agree with your adversary quickly, submitting even to wrong for the sake of peace (Matt. 5:25; 1 Cor. 6:7).
  6. Labor not to be rich: be ready to every good work, give to those who ask; relieve the afflicted (1 Tim. 6:8; Rom. 12:13; Heb. 13:16; James 1:27).
  7. Do not your alms before men: Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth (Matt. 6:1-4).
  8. Recompense to no man evil for evil: overcome evil with good (Rom. 12:17).
  9. Bless them that curse you; let no cursing come out of your mouth (Matt. 5:44; Rom. 12:14).
  10. Render not evil for evil, or railing for railing, but contrariwise, blessing (1 Pet. 3:9).
  11. Pray for them that despitefully use you and afflict you (Matt. 5:44).
  12. Grudge not: judge not: complain not: condemn not (James 5:9; Matt. 7:1).
  13. Put away anger, wrath, bitterness, and all evil speaking (Eph. 4:31; 1 Pet. 2:1).
  14. Confess your faults one to another (James 5:16).
  15. Be not conformed to this world: love not the world (Rom. 12:2; 1 John 2:15).
  16. Deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts. If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off (Titus 2:13; Matt. 5:30).
  17. Servants, be faithful, even to bad masters (Eph. 6:5-8).
  18. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate (Rom. 12:16).
  19. Owe no man anything (Rom. 13:7,8).
  20. In case of sin (known or heard of) speak not of it to others, but tell the offending brother of the matter between thee and him alone, with a view to recovery (Matt. 18:15; Gal. 6:1).
  21. Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart (Matt. 22:37).
  22. Pray always; pray with brevity and simplicity; pray secretly (Luke 18:1; Matt. 6:7).
  23. In everything give thanks to God and recognize Him in all your ways (Eph. 5:20; Prov. 3:6).
  24. As you would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them (Matt. 7:12).
  25. Take Christ for an example and follow in his steps (1 Pet. 2:21).
  26. Let Christ dwell in your heart by faith (Eph. 3:17).
  27. Esteem Christ more highly than all earthly things; yea, than your own life (Luke 14:26).
  28. Confess Christ freely before men (Luke 12:8).
  29. Beware lest the cares of life or the allurements of pleasure weaken his hold on your heart (Matt. 24:44).
  30. Love thy neighbor as thyself (Matt. 22:39).
  31. Exercise lordship over no one (Matt. 23:11).
  32. Seek not your own welfare only, nor bear your own burdens merely, but have regard to those of others (Phil. 2:4; Gal. 6:2).
  33. Let your light shine before men: hold forth the word of life. Do good to all men as ye have opportunity (Matt. 5:16; Phil. 2:16; Gal. 6:10).
  34. Be blameless and harmless, as the sons of God in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation (Phil. 2:15).
  35. Be gentle, meek, kind-hearted, compassionate, merciful, forgiving (2 Tim. 2:24; Titus 2:2; Eph. 4:32).
  36. Be sober, grave, sincere, temperate (Phil. 4:5; 1 Pet. 1:13; 5:8).
  37. Speak the truth every man with his neighbor: put away all lying (Eph. 4:25).
  38. Whatsoever ye do, do it heartily as unto the Lord, and not unto men (Col. 3:23).
  39. Be watchful, vigilant, brave, joyful, courteous, and strong (1 Cor. 16:13; Phil. 4:4; 1 Thess. 5:6-10).
  40. Be clothed with humility; be patient toward all (Col. 3:12; Rom. 12:12).
  41. Follow peace with all men (Heb. 12:14).
  42. Sympathize in the joys and sorrows of others (Rom. 12:15).
  43. Follow after whatsoever things are true, honest, just, pure, lovely, of good report, virtuous, and praiseful (Phil. 4:8).
  44. Refrain utterly from adultery, fornication, uncleanness, drunkenness, covetousness, wrath, strife, sedition, hatred, emulation, boasting, vainglory, envy, jesting, and foolish talking (Eph. 5:3,4).
  45. Whatever you do, consider the effect of your action on the honor of God's name among men. Do all to the glory of God (1 Cor. 10:31; 3:17).
  46. Reckon yourselves dead to all manner of sin. Henceforth live not to yourselves, but to him who died for you, and rose again (Rom. 6-11; 2 Cor. 5:15).
  47. Be zealous of good works, always abounding in the work of the Lord, wearying not in well doing (Titus 2:14; Gal. 6:9).
  48. Speak evil of no man (Titus 3:2).
  49. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly (Col. 3:16).
  50. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt (Col. 3:8; 4:6).
  51. Obey rulers; submit to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake (Titus 3:1).
  52. Be holy in all manner of conversation (1 Pet. 1:15, 16).
  53. Give no occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully (1 Tim. 5:14).
 
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The law of sin and death is the law of Moses...

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones,

And legalism is not the Spirit, its the flesh.

Romans 7:10 KJV
(10) And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Romans 7:24-25 KJV
(24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
(25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 
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Mitspa

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Romans 7:10 KJV
(10) And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Romans 7:24-25 KJV
(24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
(25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
OK... and your point as it relates to the topic :confused:
 
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Okay let me lay it out if your faith is in keeping law or anything else that you do. God will not accept it. He will not accept a work of the flesh. The only thing He will accept is Christ and Him Crucified. So if your faith is in law, He will not accept it. If your faith is in good works, He will not accept it. This is the law of the Spirit.

If your faith is the work of the Cross, then the Holy Spirit will work in you and you still won't be perfect. Was Peter perfect? was Paul perfect? It is saying I can't but you can and by the means of The Cross. Can anyone out do the Cross?
 
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Laodicea

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OK... and your point as it relates to the topic :confused:

Romans 3:31 KJV
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 8:4 KJV
(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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Romans 3:31 KJV
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 8:4 KJV
(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Dude if all we needed was law the why the cross?
 
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Mitspa

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To love God and people more than yourself:

Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Do not have sexually immoral, disrespectful, hateful, greedy, covetous thoughts.
Do not steal, do no commit adultery or do sexually immoral things, do not lie, do not disrespect people.
Do not be anxious or worry.
Repay evil with good
Borrow without expecting anything in return
Do not curse/tame your tongue


  1. Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you (Matt. 5:44).
  2. Resist not evil: if a man smite thee on one cheek, turn to him the other also (Matt. 5:30-40).
  3. Avenge not yourselves: rather give place unto wrath: and suffer yourselves to be defrauded (Rom. 12:18, 19).
  4. If a man take away thy goods, ask them not again (Luke 6:29, 30).
  5. Agree with your adversary quickly, submitting even to wrong for the sake of peace (Matt. 5:25; 1 Cor. 6:7).
  6. Labor not to be rich: be ready to every good work, give to those who ask; relieve the afflicted (1 Tim. 6:8; Rom. 12:13; Heb. 13:16; James 1:27).
  7. Do not your alms before men: Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth (Matt. 6:1-4).
  8. Recompense to no man evil for evil: overcome evil with good (Rom. 12:17).
  9. Bless them that curse you; let no cursing come out of your mouth (Matt. 5:44; Rom. 12:14).
  10. Render not evil for evil, or railing for railing, but contrariwise, blessing (1 Pet. 3:9).
  11. Pray for them that despitefully use you and afflict you (Matt. 5:44).
  12. Grudge not: judge not: complain not: condemn not (James 5:9; Matt. 7:1).
  13. Put away anger, wrath, bitterness, and all evil speaking (Eph. 4:31; 1 Pet. 2:1).
  14. Confess your faults one to another (James 5:16).
  15. Be not conformed to this world: love not the world (Rom. 12:2; 1 John 2:15).
  16. Deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts. If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off (Titus 2:13; Matt. 5:30).
  17. Servants, be faithful, even to bad masters (Eph. 6:5-8).
  18. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate (Rom. 12:16).
  19. Owe no man anything (Rom. 13:7,8).
  20. In case of sin (known or heard of) speak not of it to others, but tell the offending brother of the matter between thee and him alone, with a view to recovery (Matt. 18:15; Gal. 6:1).
  21. Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart (Matt. 22:37).
  22. Pray always; pray with brevity and simplicity; pray secretly (Luke 18:1; Matt. 6:7).
  23. In everything give thanks to God and recognize Him in all your ways (Eph. 5:20; Prov. 3:6).
  24. As you would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them (Matt. 7:12).
  25. Take Christ for an example and follow in his steps (1 Pet. 2:21).
  26. Let Christ dwell in your heart by faith (Eph. 3:17).
  27. Esteem Christ more highly than all earthly things; yea, than your own life (Luke 14:26).
  28. Confess Christ freely before men (Luke 12:8).
  29. Beware lest the cares of life or the allurements of pleasure weaken his hold on your heart (Matt. 24:44).
  30. Love thy neighbor as thyself (Matt. 22:39).
  31. Exercise lordship over no one (Matt. 23:11).
  32. Seek not your own welfare only, nor bear your own burdens merely, but have regard to those of others (Phil. 2:4; Gal. 6:2).
  33. Let your light shine before men: hold forth the word of life. Do good to all men as ye have opportunity (Matt. 5:16; Phil. 2:16; Gal. 6:10).
  34. Be blameless and harmless, as the sons of God in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation (Phil. 2:15).
  35. Be gentle, meek, kind-hearted, compassionate, merciful, forgiving (2 Tim. 2:24; Titus 2:2; Eph. 4:32).
  36. Be sober, grave, sincere, temperate (Phil. 4:5; 1 Pet. 1:13; 5:8).
  37. Speak the truth every man with his neighbor: put away all lying (Eph. 4:25).
  38. Whatsoever ye do, do it heartily as unto the Lord, and not unto men (Col. 3:23).
  39. Be watchful, vigilant, brave, joyful, courteous, and strong (1 Cor. 16:13; Phil. 4:4; 1 Thess. 5:6-10).
  40. Be clothed with humility; be patient toward all (Col. 3:12; Rom. 12:12).
  41. Follow peace with all men (Heb. 12:14).
  42. Sympathize in the joys and sorrows of others (Rom. 12:15).
  43. Follow after whatsoever things are true, honest, just, pure, lovely, of good report, virtuous, and praiseful (Phil. 4:8).
  44. Refrain utterly from adultery, fornication, uncleanness, drunkenness, covetousness, wrath, strife, sedition, hatred, emulation, boasting, vainglory, envy, jesting, and foolish talking (Eph. 5:3,4).
  45. Whatever you do, consider the effect of your action on the honor of God's name among men. Do all to the glory of God (1 Cor. 10:31; 3:17).
  46. Reckon yourselves dead to all manner of sin. Henceforth live not to yourselves, but to him who died for you, and rose again (Rom. 6-11; 2 Cor. 5:15).
  47. Be zealous of good works, always abounding in the work of the Lord, wearying not in well doing (Titus 2:14; Gal. 6:9).
  48. Speak evil of no man (Titus 3:2).
  49. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly (Col. 3:16).
  50. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt (Col. 3:8; 4:6).
  51. Obey rulers; submit to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake (Titus 3:1).
  52. Be holy in all manner of conversation (1 Pet. 1:15, 16).
  53. Give no occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully (1 Tim. 5:14).
Nothing profits but faith working by love...if you will notice all these things are based upon the law of faith and love...all from the Spirit of God..its called the simplicity of Christ :)
 
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Mitspa

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Romans 3:31 KJV
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 8:4 KJV
(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ok we uphold the law and its true standard (every jot and tittle) for its purpose...read the context....

Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
 

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Now I have already given this definition several times on this thread... but here is a basic understanding, obedience based on the written legal code of the law...example

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Another vague answer, you would have made a good politician.

YES OR NO?

Do you believe Obedience to GOD's Old Testament LAW to manifest your LOVE FOR HIM, is still LEGALISM?

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I still want to know what kind of CHURCH denomination you attend? This is the THIRD TIME I have asked. PLEASE include their Doctrinal Statement of Faith.
 
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WheresEnoch

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Okay let me lay it out if your faith is in keeping law or anything else that you do. God will not accept it. He will not accept a work of the flesh. The only thing He will accept is Christ and Him Crucified. So if your faith is in law, He will not accept it. If your faith is in good works, He will not accept it. This is the law of the Spirit.

If your faith is the work of the Cross, then the Holy Spirit will work in you and you still won't be perfect. Was Peter perfect? was Paul perfect? It is saying I can't but you can and by the means of The Cross. Can anyone out do the Cross?
If we do not obey Christ... We die. Simple as that. No sinners prayer will save us if we live in rebellion to God and do not love as He told us how to love

The Cost of Discipleship
25 Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them, 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. 27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.

John14
“I am the true grapevine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit, and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so they will produce even more. 3 You have already been pruned and purified by the message I have given you. 4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain in me.
5 “Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing. 6 Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. 7 But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted! 8 When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples. This brings great glory to my Father.
9 “I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love. 10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.

Hebrews 10
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.




1 John 3
Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.