AFT decides not to ban AR-15 ammo

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Viligant_Warrior

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ATF shelves controversial bullet ban proposal

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a controversial proposal to ban a popular type of bullet, amid opposition from hundreds of congressional lawmakers.
Even the Democrats who don't particularly care if guns are outlawed, or ammo is banned, clamored for the ATF to back off. They value their nice, cushy guvmint paychecks, perks, and patronage too much.
 

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They already banned 5.45 X 39 with a mild steel core, so it would only make sense for them to apply the (albeit silly) law evenly.
 
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Even the Democrats who don't particularly care if guns are outlawed, or ammo is banned, clamored for the ATF to back off. They value their nice, cushy guvmint paychecks, perks, and patronage too much.

First not all Democrats want or don't care if guns get banned.
As a number of Democrats are for the public to keep their guns, the difference is that no regular civilian has the need nor should have automatic weapons. A lot of people who have stood up for the right to bear arms and keep guns in the possession of civilians has been Democrats.
 

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First not all Democrats want or don't care if guns get banned.
As a number of Democrats are for the public to keep their guns, the difference is that no regular civilian has the need nor should have automatic weapons. A lot of people who have stood up for the right to bear arms and keep guns in the possession of civilians has been Democrats.
Rights are not based on need. If a man has a right to own a firearm then he should be able to possess any firearm he chooses. We have the right to bear arms to protect us from the government.

Citizens have firearms subjects do not. We should be more like Israel and teach firearm safety to all our citizens. Every citizen should go through basic military training which must include firearms qualification. Besides the discipline would do our young people some good. Take their phones and game boys away for 8 weeks. Make it part of their basic education required for graduation from school.

Insulate them from the radical professors in college.

For the cause of Christ
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If you note that more than an order of magnitude more people have died this way in the last century, than by random strangers with machine guns, the types of issues the media likes to deem "scary" and "controversial" start to seem less relevant.
 
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A civilian AR 15 in not an auto rifle, it is simi-automatic.
It will fire one shot each time you pull the trigger just like any simi-auto pistol, shotgun, or any other rifle.
Simi-automatic pistols, shotguns, 22 cal. and many others have been owened by the gereral public for 70 plus years.
 
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I have a lot of family in law enforcement in the state here , my brother and uncle are both in the THP and we discussed this issue and I ask them if they thought law-enforcement would obey a government order to disarm the people? They both told me that the law-enforcement here in our State have already made clear they would not ever obey such orders that are against the constitution. As long as our law-enforcement and soldiers still serve the people and the constitution, the liberals will not be able to move against the people...
 
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Even the Democrats who don't particularly care if guns are outlawed, or ammo is banned, clamored for the ATF to back off. They value their nice, cushy guvmint paychecks, perks, and patronage too much.
I think they can see the tide is turning toward the conservatives ...and thank God for the NRA
 
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A civilian AR 15 in not an auto rifle, it is simi-automatic.
It will fire one shot each time you pull the trigger just like any simi-auto pistol, shotgun, or any other rifle.
Simi-automatic pistols, shotguns, 22 cal. and many others have been owened by the gereral public for 70 plus years.

Then you have not been around the neighborhoods I have been in, as they are automatic and not semi-automatic.
And I know about semi-automatic weapons as I use to own a AK-47 and used it for dear hunting, as the semi-automatic function and removing the bayonet from it and using a slide clip made it legal for hunting.

Guns our fine to own and I support them being owned, just not in the automatic variety that I see in the neighborhoods I have grown up in and been to.
 
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I think they can see the tide is turning toward the conservatives ...and thank God for the NRA

The context of labeling Democrats is out of sorts though just because a handful now days maybe against civilian ownership of guns. The Democrats in the majority have always supported gun ownership and backed NRA.
I live in a state with the most lenient gun laws in the U.S. because of the Democrats that live here. Thank God I live in Missouri......
 

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... and removing the bayonet from it ...
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It doesn't come with a bayonet, unless you've been in the Soviet/Russian Federation Army! It isn't a military weapon as produced for consumers in over 20 countries today! It is a model of the original Soviet Kalashnikov combat rifle.

Oh, but I see on Wikipedia's entry for the AK-47, this sorry excuse for an "online encyclopedia" (of misinformation) shows a picture of what they call an AK-47 with a bayonet. The pic is actually a Kalashnikov. Hmmmm .... veddy int'resting.

So I have to wonder aloud ... "Really??" Sounds questionable at best.
 
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OK, then you have nothing to worry about, since they are illegal to own without extensive federal licensing, they are already essentially as banned as the government can make them.

Being illegal to own does not mean one can not get one, and like I said in the neighborhoods I grew up in and been to they did have automatics. Which there is no need for a civilian to have, and if civilians did not have the automatic weapons then there would be no need to give our police forces the military equipment they are getting.



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It doesn't come with a bayonet! It isn't a military weapon! It is a model of the original Soviet Kalashnikov combat rifle.

Oh, but I see on Wikipedia's entry for the AK-47, this sorry excuse for an "online encyclopedia" (of misinformation) shows a picture of an AK-47 with a bayonet. Hmmmm .... veddy in'tresting.

So I have to wonder aloud ... "Really??" Sounds questionable at best.

Well you would be wrong on that as my AK-47 did come with the bayonet on it when my dad bought it for me.
I had to remove it to make it legal for hunting, and my dad had the German SKS model version of this gun and it came with the bayonet to.

While hunting it can not have the bayonet, a banana clip or any other clip that holds more than 10 rounds....
 

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Being illegal to own does not mean one can not get one, and like I said in the neighborhoods I grew up in and been to they did have automatics.
Yes, there are illegally owned automatic weapons around. If you're not advocating a policy change, you might as well be lamenting the availability of cocaine, because neither of them are going away anytime soon no matter how illegal they are. I don't see how it has much weight in a gun control discussion...
 
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Yes, there are illegally owned automatic weapons around. If you're not advocating a policy change, you might as well be lamenting the availability of cocaine, because neither of them are going away anytime soon no matter how illegal they are. I don't see how it has much weight in a gun control discussion...

Because pretty much all to most semi-automatic weapons that are legal to own, by gun enthusiasts who know what they are doing can easily make that semi-automatic weapon into a fully automatic one.
People live in too much fear about the government and what they might do, so they take and fight for these weapons to fight back in case this happens. Yet the Lord clearly says not to live in fear, and especially not to fear those who can kill the body. He says fear God who can and will destroy the body and soul in the lake of fire for those who are disobedient to His ways.
 

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Semi-autos... like your AK?


You're right, advocating policy change out of fear is a silly thing-- you're an order of magnitude more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than by someone with any type of rifle. (Someone without a uniform on, that is.)

So what's up with all these people terrified of mass shootings when alcoholic beverages kill so many more?

I am not deluded into thinking that a few rifles could stop genocide, so I guess you could say I'm not scared of either.
 
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oh here we go, got someone complaining about "illegal" full auto guns in some neighborhoods, guess what they got those guns via illegal means.

And my thoughts are if someone wants a full auto, they should have the right to have it.

remember if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.
 

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Im a democrat and dont care who owns guns as long as a) obtain it legally b) are competent/sane enough to be trusted it and c) are not an ex-felon or violent criminal

Seems pretty easy.
 
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Well you would be wrong on that as my AK-47 did come with the bayonet on it when my dad bought it for me.
Then he didn't buy you an AK-47. He bought you a Kalashnikov military surplus rifle. And yes, there is a difference.
 
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I am glad they did not ban 223 ammo.......I like having the right to crack off a few with my mini-14 if I so choose.......!