Gal. 4:21-31 - Hagar and Sarah, two sons, and two covenants

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I started this new thread because this passage came up in a different thread and I didn't want to derail the OP. I apologize ahead of time for its length. If you don't want to read all this, please skip to the bottom to read my tl;dr (too long; didn't read) summary.


Admittedly, this passage from Galatians is not easy to understand and certainly prompts its readers with many questions. Which are the two covenants mentioned? What is the meaning of the allegory? What is the analogy to be drawn to Paul's listeners? What is Paul's intended message here? Everything I write here is certainly up for debate as I am simply proposing an idea to investigate and consider. I, myself, am not sure how much of it I believe to be true, but it's worth considering and praying over, nonetheless.


I believe the primary context of the letter to be about ritual circumcision for Gentile believers in the Messiah. The letter starts early on the topic of ritual circumcision (ch. 2:3ff) and concludes on the same topic (ch. 5:2ff). Thus, I will attempt to understand the passage in question (Gal. 4:21-31) with that context in mind. I'll go through verse by verse and share my thoughts.


Gal. 4:21-31 (TLV)


21. Tell me, you who want to be under Torah, don’t you understand the Torah?

[Under the Torah in what sense? Paul isn't simply talking about observing the commands of the Torah, which anyone can do regardless of their physically circumcised or uncircumcised state. "Under the Torah" here means subjecting oneself to its full authority by undergoing ritual circumcision and becoming a proselyte. This would include subjecting oneself to its punishments, as well, since the one who undergoes circumcision as a means of salvation has forsaken the Messiah's sacrifice and placed themselves under the full extent of the Torah which, without the covering of the Messiah's atoning sacrifice, ultimately results in death since no one is able to keep it perfectly.]


22. For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and one by the free woman.


[Here starts the allegory. The two sons are Ishmael and Isaac, the slave woman is Hagar, and the free woman is Sarah.]


23. But one—the son by the slave woman—was born naturally; while the other—the son by the free woman—was through the promise.


[Ishmael was born as a result of human efforts apart from God, while Isaac was born as a result of the promise of God by His efforts.]


24. Now these things are being treated allegorically, for these are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, giving birth to slavery—this is Hagar.


[Which are the two covenants? They are the same two covenants just previously talked about in this letter: one is the covenant of promise to Abraham that he would father a great nation and all the nations would be blessed through his seed; and the other is the covenant that came 430 years later at Sinai. Hagar is allegorically the Sinai covenant, and Sarah is allegorically the Abrahamic covenant. How does the Sinai covenant give birth to slavery? Notice that this passage does not say that the Torah, which is a function of the Sinai covenant, is bondage or slavery. It says that the covenant gives birth to slavery. How so? It gives birth to slavery since it doesn't ultimately deal with the power of sin. As we read in Paul's other letters, sin was indeed alive and strong before the inauguration of the covenant in the Messiah. The Torah is said by Paul to be holy, just and good, but the Sinai covenant gives birth to bondage by not effectively dealing with the power of sin. A person succumbs to that bondage when they transgress the Torah and become subject to its penalty, which is ultimately death apart from the grace offered through the Messiah's atoning sacrifice. This implies that there were some under the Sinai covenant who were not under bondage. This would be those who had received the circumcision of the heart during that time. King David would be a good example who appears to have received this type of "heart transplant" as he was a man after God's own heart, who delighted in God's Torah and considered walking in it to be liberty. Sin has always been described throughout the OT as bondage, and freedom from that bondage as following God's Torah. You will not read in the OT that God's Torah is bondage and that freedom would be to walk outside of God's Torah, so we should be cautious about interpreting Paul in this way. The problem remains sin and the penalty of sin. God's Torah is not the problem, but a corpus of commands are ineffective on their own, as they are external to one and unable to change a person's heart. Thanks be to God that He sent His Son to die in our place, putting to death the power of sin for the believer, and putting His Torah on our transformed hearts. In this way, the new covenant is better than the old covenant, as it is built on better promises.]


25. But this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery along with her children.


[Again, Hagar is the Sinai covenant. How is the present Jerusalem in slavery? They could have been considered to be in slavery in many different ways. First, it was an earthly kingdom as opposed to the heavenly one, so it and its children were subject to the (evil) "powers and principalities" of this world. Second, earthly Jerusalem was under oppressive Roman authority at the time. Third, the Jewish people were under corrupt religious leadership, who were not actually keeping God's Torah, but had perverted it and traded it for their own rules and regulations. In other words, earthly Jerusalem had departed from God's Torah, having transgressed it, and were under sin, with no hope having denied the Messiah's atoning sacrifice.]


26. But the Jerusalem above is free—she is our mother.


[The Jerusalem above is the heavenly New Jerusalem of the Messianic Age and world to come, as indicated by the next verse. Those who have entered into the covenant through the Messiah have attained a place in the kingdom of God and the heavenly Jerusalem. Paul says she is "our mother" because the New Jerusalem is made of both Jewish and Gentile believers (Paul and his Gentile audience).]


27. For it is written: “Rejoice, O barren woman who bears no children. Break forth and shout, you who suffer no labor pains. For more are the children of the desolate than of the one who has a husband.”


[This is from Isaiah 54:1, which prophetically references the heavenly New Jerusalem to come at the end of days. It's a very fitting reference since, in the prophecy, Isaiah depicts a ruined Jerusalem as a barren woman because her children have gone into exile (this being the Jewish people), but at the time of the final redemption the Jewish people return to her and the Gentiles join as well. This corresponds to Sarah, the barren woman who became the mother of a nation and through whom all the nations are blessed. And it beautifully follows Isaiah 53, which is an obvious prophecy of our Messiah.]


28. Now you, brothers and sisters—like Isaac, you are children of promise.


[What is Paul ultimately trying to say to his audience? His audience was Gentile believers being pressured into and considering ritual circumcision to become proselytes. The real analogy here concerns these people. Those who would attempt to merit the promise of salvation through their own efforts by ritual circumcision are analogous to Hagar, with whom Abraham tried to force by his own efforts the promise that God had given him that he would bear a child and through him all the nations would be blessed. Those who do not rely on their own efforts to merit their own salvation, but instead on God's efforts, are analogous to Sarah, through whom God delivered on His promise. This latter group of Gentiles are "children of promise" because they are, in fact, a direct fulfillment of the promise that God gave to Abraham that the nations would be blessed through his seed. They are these people of the nations who have been blessed by being allowed to enter into covenantal relationship with God through the Messiah, not having been physical descendants of Abraham.]


29. But just as at that time the one born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Ruach, so it is now.


[This is referring to Ishmael, the one born according to the flesh by Abraham's own efforts, persecuting Isaac, the one born according to the Spirit and by the promise of God, not by Abraham's own efforts. Interestingly enough, there is not a very detailed account in Genesis of this persecution other than a brief mention of Ishmael "making fun" at one point (Gen. 21:9).]


30. But what does the Scripture say? “Drive out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son” of the free woman.


[This is quoted from Gen. 21:10 when Hagar is sent out from Abraham's presence.]


31. So then, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman but of the free woman.


[The Gentiles who have been reconciled to God by faith in the Messiah are spiritual children of Abraham and his wife, Sarah. They are a direct fulfillment of the prophecy that God would bless the nations through Abraham's seed, for they are from the nations and not physically descended from Abraham, and they have come to God through the Seed that is the Messiah. But anyone attempting to pursue salvation through their own efforts by becoming proselytes through ritual circumcision, these people are removing themselves from the promise given to Abraham and placing themselves under bondage, making themselves spiritual children of Hagar who represents an attempt by human efforts to forcefully manifest the promise of God.]


TL;DR summary


This passage is ultimately about ritual circumcision. The Gentiles who are opting to become proselytes by ritual circumcision are attempting to merit their salvation by their own efforts. They are analogous to Hagar, with whom Abraham attempted by his own efforts to manifest the promise of God to be blessed with a child and to be a father to many nations which would be blessed by his Seed. The Gentiles who are not attempting to merit their salvation through ritual circumcision are the children "of the promise" given to Abraham who would come from the nations and be blessed by his Seed. They are relying on God's efforts and not their own efforts.

The Gentiles who are relying on their own efforts and undergoing ritual circumcision are putting themselves under bondage by submitting themselves from the full authority of the Torah, which includes the full extent of its punishments. They are denying the grace of God by attempting to merit their salvation and will be subject to the ultimate penalty of transgressing the Torah: death. The Gentiles who are not relying on their own efforts, but on the efforts of God, are free by their faith in the Messiah, not being subject to the ultimate penalty of the Torah since the Messiah has paid that price for their freedom from sin and death.

This does not imply that the Torah itself is bondage or that keeping the commands of the Torah places oneself "under the Torah," thus making oneself subject to its curse, which is the penalty of transgressing it. We should not desire to be "under the Torah" in this way, but should instead rely on the work of the Messiah, not our own human efforts.
 

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Very insightful thank you, a much more honest and contextual look at the passage which harmonizes with Paul's other letters. As well as with the Torah.

Blessings.
 

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It seems that the allegory is pointing to the fact that sonship comes through promise, not through the efforts of man. Ishmael represented the efforts of Abraham and was not the promised heir. Isaac was the child of promise and the promise continued through Isaac (not Ishmael) and onto Jacob.
The parallel of Mt Sinai/Mt. Zion as well as the Mosaic Law/ Promise given to Abraham fits nicely.
The promise to Abraham was given before the Law and the Law does not annul the Promise just as the promise to Abraham concerning Isaac PRECEEDED Abraham's efforts (birth of Ishmael).
As Christians, our hope is in God's promise and to revert back to the law for righteousness is a step of a-postasy (turning from the faith).
 
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Very insightful thank you, a much more honest and contextual look at the passage which harmonizes with Paul's other letters. As well as with the Torah.

Blessings.
Thanks! It's just one way of looking at it. After posting, I realized that I missed some of my thoughts on the latter verses. I plan to post a little bit more later today, though I've already made my main points.
 
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Galatians 4:22-29“For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of thefreewoman was by promise.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondagewith her children.


[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.[SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But as then he that was born after the fleshpersecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.”

This allegory speaks of the 2 spiritual seeds (2 sons)
Ishmael and Isaac. The first was born of the flesh, the other was born again from above by the HolySpirit. The children of the bondwoman are in bondage to sin.

It also speaks of 2 Covenants (one
earthly, the other heavenly
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It also speaks of 2 spiritual Jerusalem's (one
earthly, one heavenly)


In the beginning of Galatians 4:1-7 Paul speaks of those who shall be heirs of the
promise, who were once in bondage “under the elements of the world.”(or sin) Paul then says Christ came to redeem those who were under the law that they might receive the adoption of sons. But what law was Paul talking about when he said under the elements of the world?

Paul was talking about the
law of sin, as Paul was also using Jesus testimony to show the 2 spiritual seeds, or 2 sons. (one flesh/one Spirit)


Notice Jesus words in
John 8:34-36 “Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.” Now notice what Paul say here in
Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

These 2 laws have to do with the 2 minds, which also speaks of the 2 seeds (
carnally minded/spiritually minded)


In the above allegory we see 2 sons, which represent the 2 spiritual seeds> Genesis 3:15 (first
flesh/ the other Spirit) Those who are of this world (elements of this world) are of the flesh,(serpents seed) and are also in the bondage of sin (children of the bondwoman)= earthly Jerusalem. (Harlot, false tabernacle) Body of the Beast. (from all peoples nations and tongues)


The children of
Promise are those who are born again from above of the HolySpirit, (not of this world) but are of the Jerusalem from above= Heavenly Jerusalem (Bride of the Lamb) = Faithful Church= Body of Christ (which is made up of all peoples, nations, and tongues)

Part 1 continue next....
 
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The bondwoman woman’s children= (earthly Jerusalem) is in bed with the kings of the earth= corrupted by the ways of the world= “great city”= (Mystery Babylon) = Synagogue of Satan (made up of many members, from all peoples nations and tongues)

Notice in Galatians 4:25 Paul says
Arabia answers to the Jerusalem which is now, which means these serve the law of sin.

The word Arabia means “desert, desolate or barren

This speaks of not bearing fruit
2 Peter 1:8 “For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Only those who understand and abide in the words of God can bear fruit. Matthew 13:23 “But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

But the children of the
curse (Zechariah 5:8-11) are the wicked and adulterous generation who are unable to cease from sin.
2 Peter 2:14 “Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:”

These are those who love the world, and are in bed with the
ways of the world.
1 John 2:15 “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:16 “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.” James 4:4 “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.”

So those who are in bed with, or in love with the
ways of the world, are of the Harlot “Mystery Babylon”

Just as those who swear falsely by the Lords name are the, hypocrites, brood of vipers, serpents, wicked and adulterous generation, seed of evil doers, natural brute beasts etc.

And again Arabia means “desert,
desolate, barren”
Job 15:34 “For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.” Jeremiah 12:10 “Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.”Ezekiel 14:15 “If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:”

So you’re either a good tree, or
bad, you are either of the flesh, or of the Spirit. John 3:6-7“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”


What did Paul conclude in Galatians 4:30-31 “Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the
bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.”


What did Peter say in
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” And again Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:50 “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”

John 1:12-13 “
But as many as received
him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
 
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Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

You must be born again!
 
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It seems that the allegory is pointing to the fact that sonship comes through promise, not through the efforts of man. Ishmael represented the efforts of Abraham and was not the promised heir. Isaac was the child of promise and the promise continued through Isaac (not Ishmael) and onto Jacob.
The parallel of Mt Sinai/Mt. Zion as well as the Mosaic Law/ Promise given to Abraham fits nicely.
The promise to Abraham was given before the Law and the Law does not annul the Promise just as the promise to Abraham concerning Isaac PRECEEDED Abraham's efforts (birth of Ishmael).
As Christians, our hope is in God's promise and to revert back to the law for righteousness is a step of a-postasy (turning from the faith).
Hi crossnote. I don't think I'm saying anything all too different than what you're saying, but I could be wrong. My main point was this (and additional thoughts included):

The Torah (Law), and the commands contained within, is not bondage. Sin is bondage. This was the case before the Torah at Sinai was given and remained the case afterwards. The Torah identifies sin and to transgress it is to sin, or subject oneself to bondage. The Sinai covenant produces children in bondage because it does not, in or of itsef, effectively deal with the power of sin or change the heart. The children of Israel became subject to bondage when they transgressed the Torah. Keeping it wasn't bondage; transgressing it was bondage. Transgressing it subjected oneself to its penalty, which is the curse of the Torah: death. But God was able to save those who had faith in Him as their redeemer, not merely faith in their own works and attempts to justify themselves by keeping the Torah apart from real faith. He would circumcise their heart and they would be free of the bondage of the "death" curse of the Torah.

The Messiah later came to deal the final deathblow to sin and death. He defeated it at the cross and those who put their faith in Him pass from death to life, bondage to freedom. He did not come to defeat the Torah, for the Torah was not the problem. Sin and death was the problem that needed to be dealt with. Now, while the Torah is not bondage, it is also not our master. The Messiah and the One who sent Him is our Master. We should not be seeking to come under the full authority of the Torah since that would include the full extent of its penalty: the death curse. We should seek to be under the full authority of our Savior and the One who sent Him. Anyone attempting ritual circumcision to merit their salvation goes from being under the authority of the Master to being under the authority of the Torah, for they are relying on their own works and not the work of Him.

However, in our life under the Messiah, living a life guided by the Spirit and love, causing one to walk as the Messiah walked, which is not opposed to the things the Torah says, is not putting ourselves under the authority of the Torah. Thus, as a believer in the Messiah, I have no personal problem including the Torah within the full counsel of God, for I am not under the Torah but I am under the Messiah. I am above the Torah, for I am not subject to its death curse and it has no penalty it can inflict upon me. The Messiah has paid this penalty in my place. Thus, I am free from sin and death, but not fee to ignore God's Torah, for such ignorance is the pathway to a sinful lifestyle, and we are admonished to sin no more!
 

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Hi crossnote. I don't think I'm saying anything all too different than what you're saying, but I could be wrong. My main point was this (and additional thoughts included):

The Torah (Law), and the commands contained within, is not bondage. Sin is bondage. This was the case before the Torah at Sinai was given and remained the case afterwards. The Torah identifies sin and to transgress it is to sin, or subject oneself to bondage. The Sinai covenant produces children in bondage because it does not, in or of itsef, effectively deal with the power of sin or change the heart. The children of Israel became subject to bondage when they transgressed the Torah. Keeping it wasn't bondage; transgressing it was bondage. Transgressing it subjected oneself to its penalty, which is the curse of the Torah: death. But God was able to save those who had faith in Him as their redeemer, not merely faith in their own works and attempts to justify themselves by keeping the Torah apart from real faith. He would circumcise their heart and they would be free of the bondage of the "death" curse of the Torah.

The Messiah later came to deal the final deathblow to sin and death. He defeated it at the cross and those who put their faith in Him pass from death to life, bondage to freedom. He did not come to defeat the Torah, for the Torah was not the problem. Sin and death was the problem that needed to be dealt with. Now, while the Torah is not bondage, it is also not our master. The Messiah and the One who sent Him is our Master. We should not be seeking to come under the full authority of the Torah since that would include the full extent of its penalty: the death curse. We should seek to be under the full authority of our Savior and the One who sent Him. Anyone attempting ritual circumcision to merit their salvation goes from being under the authority of the Master to being under the authority of the Torah, for they are relying on their own works and not the work of Him.

However, in our life under the Messiah, living a life guided by the Spirit and love, causing one to walk as the Messiah walked, which is not opposed to the things the Torah says, is not putting ourselves under the authority of the Torah. Thus, as a believer in the Messiah, I have no personal problem including the Torah within the full counsel of God, for I am not under the Torah but I am under the Messiah. I am above the Torah, for I am not subject to its death curse and it has no penalty it can inflict upon me. The Messiah has paid this penalty in my place. Thus, I am free from sin and death, but not fee to ignore God's Torah, for such ignorance is the pathway to a sinful lifestyle, and we are admonished to sin no more!
Our walk is by faith in the Person of Jesus Christ who has set His nature in our hearts through the New Birth.
Due to the weakness of our flesh, sin takes the law and brings us into bondage, thus it takes One who is greater than our sin to keep us and guide us.

Romans 7:11-13
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.


1 Corinthians 15:55-57
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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sparty-g, I chose to read your summary and I personally don't believe that the passage in question is dealing with ritual circumcision.

If you will read Gal.4:10 you will see that Paul has listed only the things dealing with the calendar, days months and times and years. It looks like the Galatians have chosen to observe that part of the law that is less repugnant to them.

We know from the historic viewpoint that Paul had led the Galatians to Christ (3:1) and they had made a good start in the Chrisitans life (3:3) and were doing well spiritually (5:7). Later some Jewish teachers (called Judaizers) taught the Galatians that to be saved one must not only believe in Christ, but must obey the Mosaic Law, the sign of which is circumcision. So, verse (v.10) shows that the Galatians had chosen to observe that part of the law that was less repugnant to them.

I believe that the allegory of Hagar and Sarah is only to show that you'r either free from the law or you are a slave to it since Hagar represents the Mosaic covenant (i.e. the law) ......(v.24)....which gendereth to bondage........ or, which begets children for slavery and since Hagar gave birth to Ishmael, sharing her same social status of slavery, the law puts those subject to it in spiritual bondgage and is represented by the current Jerusalem of the time (Judaism) that is why the point is made in (v.26) about the free Jeruslaem being from above.

(v.22)...........For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid (which would be Ishmael born to a slave i.e. Hagar) and Hagar and her offspring were in social bondage and Judaism and its adherents were in spiritual slavery to the Law. The other by a freewoman (which would be Isaac born to Sarah).

I hope this helped.
 
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Hi Elin. I started a new thread. . .It's a long one, but the basic gist of it is this:

The verse says that the Sinai covenant bears children who are to be slaves.
This doesn't mean the Torah and its commands are bondage.
Thanks.

It means the Law is bondage to its condemnation for transgression of it.

Sin is bondage
The bondage of sin is irrelevant without something (the Law) which subjects sin to condemnation.
There was no Law between Adam and Moses and, therefore, sin was not taken into account during that time.
There was no bondage to the condemnation of the Law from Adam to Moses.

and the Torah was given to guide the Israelites with regard to sin, not put the recently freed Jewish slaves back into bondage. However,
the Sinai covenant does not effectively deal with the power of sin,
Agreed.

But if there were no Law, the power of sin would be irrelevant because it would not result in bondage to its condemnation.


thus its children come under bondage when they transgress the Torah.
And since all are guilty of transgressing the Law, all are in bondage to its condemnation.

It is in Christ alone that we are freed from that bondage.
 
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So the Law is bondage (Gal 5:1, 4:9, 4:24-25).
 
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Galatians 4:25
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Agar=Hagar which is symbolized in Sinai; Sinai means "enmity"

What causes the enmity between the 2 seeds, 2 sons, 2 Covenants ? (flesh /Spirit)

It is the mind of the flesh that is opposed to the mind of the Spirit.....remove the vail of the flesh from the mind, and you'll also remove the enmity.

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
 
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Galatians 4:25
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Agar=Hagar which is symbolized in Sinai; Sinai means "enmity"
Sinai means "cliffs."

What causes the enmity between the 2 seeds, 2 sons, 2 Covenants ? (flesh /Spirit)
Relevance to the bondage of condemnation in the Law, allegorized in Agar

and the freedom from bondage of condemnation in the faith of the Abrahamic covenant, allegorized in Isaac?
 
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Sinai means "cliffs."


Relevance to the bondage of condemnation in the Law, allegorized in Agar

and the freedom from bondage of condemnation in the faith of the Abrahamic covenant, allegorized in Isaac?
Source....Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary
Sinai ....a bush; enmity

Sinai can also be translated SIN

Relevance, there was no law of Moses in the days of Hagar and Ishmael to be in bondage to....but there was 2 seeds....and there was also enmity between those two seeds....flesh strives against the Spirit.

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
 
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Yeah, like Mount Sin AI

Or through the law comes the knowledge of Sin

Therefore its Mount Sin-I

The "I sinned" Mount
 
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Yeah, like Mount Sin AI

Or through the law comes the knowledge of Sin

Therefore its Mount Sin-I

The "I sinned" Mount
Yeah, I thought about SIN-AI....sounds like it is from down under....good day AI ! lol

But it would make sense because mount Sin-ai was in the wilderness of Sin, so you can see how the root of the word could be used there.
 
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"According to Rabbinic tradition, the name "Sinai" derives from sin-ah (שִׂנְאָה), meaning hatred, in reference to the other nations hating the Jews out of jealousy, due to the Jews being the ones to receive the word of God.[6]"


"According to the biblical account of the giving of the instructions and teachings of both the Written and the Oral Torah, Sinai was enveloped in a cloud,[11] it quaked and was filled with smoke,[12] while lightning-flashes shot forth, and the roar of thunder mingled with the blasts of a trumpet;[11] the account later adds that fire was seen burning at the summit of the mountain.[13] In the biblical account, the fire and clouds are a direct consequence of the arrival of God upon the mountain.[14] According to the biblical story, Moses departed to the mountain and stayed there for 40 days and nights in order to receive the Ten Commandments, the Written and the Oral Torah, and he did so twice because he broke the first set of the tablets of stone after returning from the mountain for the first time.

The biblical description of God's descent[14] seems to be in conflict with the statement shortly after that God spoke to the Israelites from Heaven.[15] While biblical scholars argue that these passages are from different sources, the Mekhilta argues that God had lowered the heavens and spread them over Sinai,[16] and the Pirke De-Rabbi Eliezer argues that a hole was torn in the heavens, and Sinai was torn away from the earth and the summit pushed through the hole. 'The heavens' could be a metaphor for clouds and the 'lake of fire' could be a metaphor for the lava-filled crater.[17] Several bible criticsWho? have indicated that the smoke and fire reference from the Bible suggests that Mt Sinai was a volcano;[18] despite the absence of ash.[19] Other bible scholars have suggested that the description fits a storm[19] especially as the Song of Deborah seems to allude to rain having occurred at the time.[20]

The biblical record notes the uniqueness of the event by stating that God spoke directly to the Israelite nation as a whole. [21] [22]"

other footnotes at untested source> Biblical Mount Sinai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Elin said:
InSpiritInTruth said:
Galatians 4:25
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Agar=Hagar which is symbolized in Sinai; Sinai means "enmity"
Sinai means "cliffs."
What causes the enmity between the 2 seeds, 2 sons, 2 Covenants ? (flesh /Spirit)
Relevance to the bondage of condemnation in the Law, allegorized in Agar
and the freedom from bondage of condemnation in the Abrahamic covenant, allegorized in Sarah?
Relevance, there was no law of Moses in the days of Hagar and Ishmael to be in bondage to....but there were 2 seeds....and there was also enmity between those two seeds....flesh strives against Spirit.
But there was a Mt. Sinai from which the Mosaic law was given.

Should Paul have consulted with you regarding his allegory of Hagar, the bond woman, as Mt. Sinai
(Mosaic covenant conditioned on the law with its curse of condemnation) in bondage with her children,
and Sarah, the free woman, as the unconditional promise (the Abrahamic covenant with no curse) in freedom
with her children.

The context: Gal 4:8-20 - Judaizers (2:4, 12) were trying to place the Galatians under the law.

As it was with Ishmael and Isaac (when "there was no law of Moses")

( he that was born after the flesh

born in the natural way - Ishmael

persecuted him that was born after the Spirit,
born in a supernatural way, from the barren womb of Sarah - Isaac

even so it is now.
those born only by natural birth
persecute those born by spiritual rebirth, Ac 13:50, 14:2-5, 19; 1Th 2:14-16.