question about submission

JFSurvivor · Mar 13, 2015

So I was reading this book and it explained how after the verses about wives submitting and husbands loving there's a verse that says, "husbands and wives must submit to one another as is fitting to the Lord." (I think I got that right.) Well this book says that husbands and wives are to submit to eacother based on that verse. Also it explained that submission is an act of free will. I never heard it explained that way. What are your thoughts on this? I don't think it's saying the man isn't the head I just think it's saying that 1) submission is not shameful and 2) submission is not just for a woman to do. Thoughts?

jogoldie · Mar 13, 2015

So many post on this subject........however you my girl......has made the most sense.....the best explanation.......kuddos to you........I agree fully.......nice......peace and love ....jo

wwjd_kilden · Mar 13, 2015

yay yay yay yay someone has actually read their bible rather than cutting it off at a convenient place

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

As followers of Christ we are all called to be servants, not masters.
(Not saying I am good at it

but we should be)

sassylady · Mar 13, 2015

The word translated for submission actually means tenderly devoted.

The wife submits to the man's leadership and the man submits to her needs.

Eva1218 · Mar 13, 2015

I have heard many women have an issue with submitting to their husband. My question is why marry one you could not submit too. A Godly husband will not have his wife do what is wrong or insensitive, for he is not just a husband but a man of GOD. This is why we are to test the spirit know prior to marriage that this is a union GOD has joined together.

Blessings!!!!!!!

cmarieh · Mar 13, 2015

God created me to be more submissive and I can hold my own when it comes to topics that I firmly disagree with. I don't know everything and if I were to get involved with someone who was a little different, I have no problem learning why they believe the way they believe as long as they live their life for the Lord. God created man to be head of the home.
(We will assume it is a Christian family) See, when a girl was born they are under their Father's spiritual covering and when that little girl's wedding day arrives, usually the Father gives his daughter away. I believe when this happens that spiritual covering shifts over to her new husband. See wives must submit to their husbands as to the Lord. The husbands are responsible for making sure that his family (household) is living their life according to God and the wives are their help mates. Though, let me say that I have no problem with women working, but as long as their relationship with God and their families are top priorities.

Joidevivre · Mar 13, 2015

If we all put the needs of others before our own (as scripture tells us to do), all relationships would be submissive and loving in the way Christ loves us.

We would also be less self centered. And so I try.....

bernardopancakes · Mar 13, 2015

I struggled with submission at first because I went through a bad marriage and that didn't work. Then I met a Godly man who helped me understand what it really meant.

Elin · Mar 13, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

Nah. . .you didn't.

The verse states, "Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord."

Yes, that is correct.

Children are to submit to their parents.
Slaves are to submit to their masters.
Believers are to submit to the governing authorities.
The church submits to Christ.

There are various submissions ordained for the body of Christ.

I suspect the verse you are thinking about is, "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ."

DyingToSelf · Mar 13, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

Frankly, in my humble opinion, isn't loving your wife as Christ loved the Church also in essence, submission? I myself feel that to truly love, is to submit your thoughts and your actions in deference to your partner's wellbeing, to put your wants behind theirs, to work for their needs first.

Isn't that submission?

I also have heard that the word submission in this case can also be intepreted as acknowlegement of the husband's place and role in the wife's heart. Simply put, to realise and recognise his importance in her heart.

Which woman would not want a man that would give his life for her? To put her needs first before his own?

and which man would not want the woman that he loves so dearly to acknowledge his position in her heart? It is a joy to submit to the ones you love and the ones who love you. Perhaps, just like it should be a joy to submit to the LORD, because His ways somehow always works out in the best ways.

I kind of find that its when we start wanting to do things our way, or brashly without thinking about GOD's way, that problems start to surface.

anyway, its just my opinion. GOD bless you all.

presidente · Mar 14, 2015

sassylady said:

Its good to be tenderly devoted in marriage, but that is not what the Greek word, hupotasso means. It means to come in order under. Soldiers would hupotasso under their commanders. Do you think Greek soldiers were 'tenderly devoted' to their commanders. Well, maybe the Spartans, and Athenians, but that is still not what the word means.

presidente · Mar 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

You can see the verses posted above. Paul said to submit to one another, and then specifies that wives are to submit to their husbands. Some people argue for mutual submission. Clearly, the wife has a special requirement to submit to her husband if that is the case.

The other interpretation of the passage, other than mutual submission, is delineation. Paul says to submit to one another, then specifies which 'one' is to submit to which 'another.' The wife is to submit to the husband. The passage continues on into the next chapter where children are told to obey their parents and slaves their masters. So, submit to one another: wives to husbands, children to parents, slaves to masters.

The Bible never says 'husbands submit to your wives'. I Peter 3 tells wives to submit to their husbands also, following the example of Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord.

Bushido8000 · Mar 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

As a man in a fantastic marriage I fully agree with your statements. There is a difference between submission in a marriage and authority in a marriage. While I do agree that a man in the head of a house and a woman should submit to him in that regard, I also believe that a man should submit to a woman in respect and love. Both my wife and I don't go to "party places" (such as concerts or pubs) without one-another. we don't bring friends of the opposite sex into our relationship (unless they are mutual friends of course). I like to do housework for her, she likes to do housework for me,The list really goes on and on.

Whether you are talking about submission or authority, both have to come from roots of love to work.

Jeff_56 · Mar 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

not only is submission not shameful, it is necessary. we all are slaves, just some are slaves of righteousness, and others are slaves of satan. slaves do as they are told. everyone is a slave.
everyone does as they are told. follow? (understand?) (not many do.... their 'self' rebels against being
a slave, so they remain slaves of satan).

JFSurvivor · Mar 14, 2015

Ok so

1) what does biblical submission look like for a woman?

2) what does it look like for a man?

3) how can a man and woman mutually submit to one another?

4) with a man being the head of the household wouldn't it make sense for him to submit to his wife in the sense that Jesus came to serve not to rule/dominate?

Thoughts?

Jeff_56 · Mar 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

very rare.

(1)a woman raised right would never , never, ever think to disobey her father, or later her husband.

(2)a man raised right would never, never, ever think of harming his wife in any way.

(3) only by sheer grace; otherwise it is both impossible and never seen. there's more, all in Scripture, but unless the Father grants it from heaven, no one here nor anywhere can receive it.

(4) just as it is written in Scripture, as Yahweh Himself directs. notice that all the disciples who followed and remained faithful to Jesus, did everything Jesus said to do. even every thought and dream and hope is made subject to him, not just acts and deeds and the rest of the life.

JFSurvivor · Mar 14, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

very rare.

(1)a woman raised right would never , never, ever think to disobey her father, or later her husband.

(2)a man raised right would never, never, ever think of harming his wife in any way.

(3) only by sheer grace; otherwise it is both impossible and never seen. there's more, all in Scripture, but unless the Father grants it from heaven, no one here nor anywhere can receive it.

(4) just as it is written in Scripture, as Yahweh Himself directs. notice that all the disciples who followed and remained faithful to Jesus, did everything Jesus said to do. even every thought and dream and hope is made subject to him, not just acts and deeds and the rest of the life.

By your logic doesn't a woman get the short end of the stick? She essentially has no freedom.

JFSurvivor · Mar 14, 2015

I am not saying a woman shouldn't submit and I'm not saying the man isn't the head. I am saying there should be mutual submission so that the wife doesn't get stuck at the husbands beck and call. The Bible says that all are equal in Christ. Plus didn't Jesus wash his disciples feet? Also making that comparison about the disciples obeying Jesus puts women in an inferior position. I don't think women are in any way imferior. I think women can think and act for themselves. I also think if a wife loves her husband she will submit to him and if a husband loves his wife he will be a good leader but he will also humble himself enough to submit to her. Make sense?

Jeff_56 · Mar 14, 2015

from the world's point of view - and the reason almost all people on earth reject Jesus , is because they don't want to be at His (God's - KING OF KINGS) beck and call(as you put it).
the whole world thinks they can think and act for themselves, so they die in their sin instead of repenting.

Revelation 9:20 - Bible Gateway

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation 9:20‎

[SUP]20[/SUP] And the rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, repented not
of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and the idols ...

check ezekiel 4 also.

MadParrotWoman · Mar 14, 2015

Neither men nor women are superior to the other, it's just that God gave us different roles. Submission to a Godly husband should not be a problem given a husband is called to love his wife as God loved His church...and we all know what God did for His church. I really don't see a problem here if both husband and wife are in Christ.

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