Netanyahu trails in polls; Senate panel probes Obama interference in Israeli election

[p_rehbein]

Simply google the origins of dispensational christian zionism and see where its roots are - there are thousands of pages. If you dont want to learn about it - dont bother

What I wanted was for you to answer how believing Jews have a right to life and a homeland is racist? Seems just the opposite to me. Now, if you can't defend your assertion, well, that is ok too....... Numerous Muslim Nations/Groups have vowed to wipe every Jew alive off the face of the earth, is that racist?

Wish you had explained why you spend so much time watching FNC, given that you believe it to be so evil. Seems odd behavior to me.

 

[pem]

[pem sez:
Fox news is a ROMAN CATHOLIC News Channel you moron ! I watch O'Reilly, Hannity, Kelly etc etc - all Raving Papists . Its no wonder you agree with them as Rome now supports the Cult of "Christian" Zionism . Read more Truth about your evil bed-fellows here]

uh, say, if FNC is such a horrible thing, why iz u watching it day and night?

I dont watch it much- i work from home and its on in the background ...... Fox is Papist based ( as is dispensational zionism )and promotes antagonism in Palestine/israel ( as does christian zionism). Aljazeera News is far more honest and accurate .

By the way , the 1948 secular State of Israel is NOT the Biblical Israel- that was destroyed around 2000 years ago . The Lord Jesus Christ will NEVER return to this present Earth (it will be destroyed at His second coming). He reigns now from Heaven , has Bound Satan and we are now in Tribulation ( millennium )

If those who fail to understand that since Christ died and rose again for the sins of His people ( ONLY His people -not everyone ) , THERE IS NOW NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW AND GENTILE , I respectfully suggest you turn off your computer and read Romans chapters 9-11 where you may(should God allow it) discover the fact that all Christians belong to one body with one Head - The Church of The Lord Jesus Christ - aka Israel . Christian are spiritual Jews . Secular Jews are as unsaved as unsaved Arabs . The only hope for Jew and Arab is through Jesus Christ

 

[pem]

The lefties on the board should jump at the opportunity, given their willingness to believe every word that drips from the king's lips. Maybe you can get him to endorse the endeavor?

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By the way, Lefties --

Before you start whining, "The GOP sent their people over to help Netanyahu!" -- Key difference: The GOP didn't dip into federal "discretionary funds" and give $350,000 to OneVoice International which then gave the money to V15, Isaac Herzog's campaign committee. That is apparently what Obama did, and a bipartisan investigation by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee -- see the OP -- is being organized because of it. Heck, even my idiot leftie Sen. Claire McCaskill, the ranking member, is pushing for it!

Reality check oh mighty Worrier. The American Republican Party are LIBERALS, the Democrats are SOCIALISTS, the Tea Party are CONSERVATIVES and the Independents are just a waste of time . You even have the colours wrong ! Conservatives are BLUE, Socialist RED and Liberals YELLOW

Before you worry to much , i am a Child of Thatcher. Remember her ? The woman who ran American foreign policy so well using Reagans power.

 

[PennEd]

Good news is that the four major Arab parties (20% of population) are now standing together so that they could have some power in the Israeli Government . It is sad that so many Christians have bought into the lies of zionism and end up hating Palestinians Christian Zionism: Dispensationalism And The Roots Of Sectarian Theology

Dear Lord, please open the eyes of the replacement theologists. This satanic doctrine is responsible for much anti-semitism, and persecution of the Jews. We know most Jews rejected their Messiah,(and praise God they did, else all gentiles would be lost) and God has been dealing with them ever since, but why would anybody want to incur God's wrath by hating them, and helping their enemies? Pray for them and let God deal with them. If you think God is finished with them you are being satanically decieved.

 

[crossnote]

By the way , the 1948 secular State of Israel is NOT the Biblical Israel- that was destroyed around 2000 years ago . The Lord Jesus Christ will NEVER return to this present Earth (it will be destroyed at His second coming). He reigns now from Heaven , has Bound Satan and we are now in Tribulation ( millennium )

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[pem]

Dear Lord, please open the eyes of the replacement theologists. This satanic doctrine is responsible for much anti-semitism, and persecution of the Jews. We know most Jews rejected their Messiah,(and praise God they did, else all gentiles would be lost) and God has been dealing with them ever since, but why would anybody want to incur God's wrath by hating them, and helping their enemies? Pray for them and let God deal with them. If you think God is finished with them you are being satanically decieved.

The only replacement going on is those Antichrists who replace Christ with Zionism . The apostle Paul warned us about Judaising Pharisees (zionists pretending to be christians ) . Romans 9-11 KJV

 

[prodigal]

[h=1]Jeremiah 31:31-321599 Geneva Bible (GNV)[/h] [SUP]31 [/SUP]¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a [SUP][a][/SUP]new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah,
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, the which my covenant they [SUP][b][/SUP]brake, although I was [SUP][c][/SUP]an husband unto them, saith the Lord.

 

[prodigal]

a reminder of cc rules

2. No conduct that is offensive or counterproductive to fellowship.
We like to welcome all to Christian Chat, but if anyone is not here for fellowship (or for wanting to know about Christianity), but simply for disrupting fellowship, offending people, whatever, then that person is not welcome.

some areas of christian doctrine have a variety of views. But that doesn't mean we can use offensive language to one another.

 

[Sirk]

Sounds like Arabs are being bussed to the polls in Israel. Looks like a play outa the community organizer in Chiefs playbook.

 

[Anonimous]

Obama? interfere in other countries? Surely not.

 

[kennethcadwell]

As Dcon said, Herzog is all for a Palestinian state. Explains why Obama wants him elected.

Well all I can say then is go ahead and go this direction because it fulfills God's word, and how it shows in prophecy Israel being divided and the Temple Mount under a shared arrangement. Why fight against something that fulfills God's word ?

 

[p_rehbein]

Ok, now the "real" argument is becoming clear. It never was about the Jews having a right to expect a "homeland," it's all about a couple of things, or so, tied together.

1) Who today is God's chosen people?
[and this is a valid question]

2) End Times
[which I have no interest in discussing]

All the name calling and such aside, as I read the comments, this is where the real argument lies.

My only interest is in the 1st Point. These are my thoughts, and my thoughts only.

Under the First Covenant, God's chosen people were a Nation. The Nation of Israel

Under the New Covenant, God's chosen people are the Church.

All if this is fairly clear in various Scriptures. One of the best examples being Jesus as the Vine, and His children as the branches. Most Jews denied Christ, and this allowed Gentiles (the wild branches) to be grafted in, and Paul states that as God is able to graft in the wild branches, so is He able to graft in the natural, the Jews who denied Christ. However, one point of Paul's teaching that is most overlooked is the "condition" he added to this statement:

23 .) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. When this occurs, the Jews must repent and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior in order to be "grafted in."

All this being said, this reality does not show that Israel today does not have the right to expect to have a "homeland."

 

[crossnote]

Looks like Likud 28% Zionist Union 27%..(exit polls)...lots of negotiating and horse trading next.

 

[crossnote]

Looks like Likud 28% Zionist Union 27%..(exit polls)...lots of negotiating and horse trading next.

Minor correction...% = seats.

 

[crossnote]

With 91% votes counted 30 seats for Likud and 24 seats for Zionist Union.

 

[thisgirl]

pem, did you used to have a different nic?

 

[BibleReader]

Obama? interfere in other countries? Surely not.

Obama's electoral losing streak continues on, it seems. My own sense is, and its only my opinion, President Obama never course corrects, he only doubles down.

 

[kaylagrl]

"Aljazeera News is far more honest and accurate"- Double take,did he really just say that?! Lol Lol Lol Kills me!

 

[jahsoul]

Ok, now the "real" argument is becoming clear. It never was about the Jews having a right to expect a "homeland," it's all about a couple of things, or so, tied together.

1) Who today is God's chosen people?
[and this is a valid question]

2) End Times
[which I have no interest in discussing]

This is what it has always been about for me brother. Depending on how you view these things (and to throw in if the Bible even calls for a Jewish nation), your POV will vary.

I've never looked at this as the State of Israel's right to exist, but honestly speaking, without knowing the lineage or bloodline, how can we say that this is their homeland. And if that can't be established, that makes 1948 and the events that lead up to it a lot more murky..

 

[kaylagrl]

Glad to wake up this morning to see Mr Netanyahu has won in Israel. Im sure the White House and Mr Obama will be displeased to hear this news. Seems his attempts to have failed.Plain to see where the American liberal news stands.God still has His hand on Israel.Great victory won last night.