The world's view of Israel

just-me · Mar 18, 2015

In general, why is Israel probably the least corrupt nation in the world, yet the most hated? Even the administration of the United States is seemingly turning its back on our best ally in the world. As I see it, Israel is non Messianic for the most part. That leaves a question in my mind. How can a nation that doesn't endorse Jesus as the true Messiah be found as one of the least corrupt in the world?

kaylagrl · Mar 18, 2015

just-me said:

In general, why is Israel probably the least corrupt nation in the world, yet the most hated? Even the administration of the United States is seemingly turning its back on our best ally in the world. As I see it, Israel is non Messianic for the most part. That leaves a question in my mind. How can a nation that doesn't endorse Jesus as the true Messiah be found as one of the least corrupt in the world?

Oh boy,can of worms...

just-me · Mar 18, 2015

kaylagrl said:

Yup, you are right, but isn't it true that God (by His Word) desires His children to understand and have the right information according to His desire so that we can be proper representatives of His divine name? When Paul told Timothy to "study to show thyself approved" I truly believe that he was exhorting Timothy to study and discern more than just what could be read at that time. Timothy, as a minister of the gospel, was to study all things including situations, people's actions and reactions, making righteous judgments of what he was exposed to, and involved in.

Sophia · Mar 18, 2015

What source says that Israel is not corrupt?
I just read in the Jerusalem Post that 79% of Israelis believe their parties to be corrupt, and call for more transparency in government,
and that corruption levels are on par with Mexico.

I'm sure there could be another poll that suggests otherwise, but all I got from Google were negative stats, undermining the premise of the OP.

sassylady · Mar 18, 2015

I don't know how corrupt they are or not, the main point is they are God's chosen and scripture is clear that blessing Israel is a great benefit and not blessing them is dangerous.

I once read that even people that hate Jews don't even know why they hate them, they just do. But the devil hates them so he will use anybody he can to attack them and the country of Israel.

Least · Mar 18, 2015

I followed the election all day yesterday. Interesting times without a doubt. No matter how much involvement other nations had in an effort to oust Netanyahu, he won the election.

I like what you said here:

It's interesting to see how God's word has an affect on an entire nation, Even here in our own country, when the bible was removed from schools, and the ten commandments were removed from courthouses and public places, the morals of the nation started to go down hill. God's word, including His commandments, is the basis for instruction in moral behavior, for believers and non believers. In a lot of ways, even our legal system outside of the church itself is based on it. (And in some ways, the legal system, based on those things, has better judgment than the church today.)

Studying God's word, seeking out the things that are pleasing to HIM, along with discernment, it's becoming more and more clear even by actions, those who study, acknowledge Him and seek to be pleasing to Him. So the instruction that Paul gave to Timothy is sound, and valuable to every believer in Jesus.

It's all written, and instruction goes right along with discernment.

MarcR · Mar 18, 2015

Sophia said:

I think that the article in the JP, you refer to, demonstrates that Israelis hold even their own parties to such a high standard of integrity that even a lack of transparency within party operations is viewed as corruption. IMO That is a higher standard than anyone else is held to.

prove-all · Mar 18, 2015

the world has no idea who Isreal is, God is hidden his face from them, also lost to the world.

the jews in Isreal is not the tribes of Israel

prove-all · Mar 18, 2015

Jews are from Israel(only one tribe)and there not called (Isreal) in the bible

first time jews are metioned in the bible they are going to war with Isreal

Wherever you see the name “Israel,” or “house of Israel,” or “Samaria,”
“Jacob,” or “Rachel,” or “Ephraim” and "Manasseh" used in prophecy, remember this:

It never ever refers to the Jews, but to Israel

For truly, the name “Israel” was named on the sons of Joseph! (Genesis 48:16)

the "house of Israel or nation - Jacob(sinning), Isreal, Samaria(no.kingdom), Ephraim and Manasseh

Wherever they are, the Bible calls them by the national name Israel.
To the world, their identity today is lost.

But, in biblical prophecy, it is they—not the Jews—who are called Israel!

the house or tribe of Judah” - Judah, or the Jews,Jerusalem

Each tribe occupied its own land, or district.

The Levites became the priestly tribe, mingling throughout the other tribes
having no inheritance in the land and no separate territory (except for cities) of their own.

To offset this, however, the children of Joseph were divided into two tribes
Ephraim and Manasseh, thus leaving 12 distinct and separate tribes,

each occupying its own territory or province, in addition to
the Levites who were sprinkled among the tribes.

JimmieD · Mar 18, 2015

sassylady said:

What do you mean by "bless them?" Do you mean to say that nobody can ever be critical of administrative policies of the Israeli government? Is criticizing the Israeli government taboo?

What do you mean by "attack?" Is being critical of someone the same as an "attack?" If I disagree with government policy, is that an "attack?"

pem · Mar 19, 2015

just-me said:

The LEAST corrupt in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow - read your Bible !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just-me · Mar 19, 2015

pem said:

History teaches a prudent people/person giving way to confession, repentance, and a change of character differing from the past. This is also a substantial part of the gospel as God, through Christ, being the divine plan from the very beginning. His plan doesn't change so Jesus' mission to change us could be completed. It is important to know this as these progression of events continue to unfold as planned before the world was created. (See Colossians chapter 1 and John 1:1) History cannot be compared with the present if a people learn from their history. That's why the Old Testament has been given, "for whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." (Romans 15:4)

GandalfTheWhite · Mar 19, 2015

prove-all said:

Yes the tribe of Judah and Benjamin is the Jews today (1 Kings 12) or the house of Judah

just-us-2 · Mar 19, 2015

pem said:

This is a current events type thread/question, not historical. First sentence: "In general, why is Israel probably the least corrupt nation in the world, yet the most hated?"

PennEd · Mar 19, 2015

You gotta love the guys that say the Jews in Israel aren't really Jews. Umm... So they CHOSE to join THE most persecuted group in all of human history!!!? For what?

just-me · Mar 19, 2015

Originally Posted by prove-all

Jews are from Israel(only one tribe)and there not called (Isreal) in the bible

GandalfTheWhite said:

You are correct! "Ephraim" is the name God has given to the 10 tribes (as a general statement of definition) still dispersed thought the world. It is true that the term "Jew" is short for Judah and Benjamin. Biblical prophecy also tells us that Israel will be united as a whole in the future. This (it seems) is in the process of coming true today.

Ezekiel 37:15-22
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

just-me · Mar 19, 2015

PennEd said:

Jews are Israelites but Israelites are not just Jews.

pem · Mar 19, 2015

just-me said:

Abraham was a Gentile when Chosen by God and he became Israel . Anyone can become a Jew !

GandalfTheWhite · Mar 19, 2015

pem said:

No friend, Abraham was never Israel. He was a Hebrew but never Israel. That was Jacob.

kaylagrl · Mar 19, 2015

PennEd said:

Exactly!! Hitler seemed to believe they were real Jews! Didnt stop him from murdering 6 million of them.

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