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KohenMatt

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With all of this confusion about dates, let's just celebrate a made-up day like Easter instead.
 
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Died Friday, April 3,33ad, resurrected Sunday, April 5, 33ad 3,4,5.

Your belief in some satanic conspiracy has nothing to do with reality, knowing the day that Christ was crucified is not necessary for salvation. Calling the Church satanic is more of a problem you have than knowing the day Christ was crucified.
blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is dangerous territory as you should well know.

just a thought.
 
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yes, just a thought, and entirely wrong, from demon source...... keep seeking, and praying .... that Yahweh may have mercy on you..... shalom if he permits.
 

KohenMatt

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I would agree with many here that the date isn't as important as the celebration of it. It doesn't mean we can just pick random dates and traditions and pretend God is pleased with them (ahemEasterahem), however.

That being said, I'm celebrating Passover on the night of the 3rd and the day of the 4th. No better way to celebrate the sacrifice of our Savior.
 
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whether seed from the sower/shepherd, or water for the seed, or pearls.... you know for 'them'....
without debate nor argument. even not with the enemy of the cross for the time is neither here nor now.
here's the facts, just the facts >>>
(that line up with all scripture. no other timeline does).>>>

One of the most well known facts of history is the death, burial, and resurrection of Yeshua the Messiah, Jesus the Christ. Scholars have long argued the time frame between 29 AD and 33 AD as the time of the crucifixion and resurrection of the Messiah. It is one of the most well documented facts of history that He died on a Roman Cross, and in 3 days rose again from the dead. There has always been a cloud of uncertainty regarding the exact day and year. The fact of the resurrection of the Messiah gives a blessed hope to all mankind.

Computers are great tools for study, research, and calculations. Modern calendar computer programs, some of which were developed for the space program and astronomy, have allowed us to know the exact date for these most historic events.

We can now know that there is only one date that agrees with all the Gospel accounts. That date agrees with our modern Roman Gregorian calendar, Hebrew calendar, the modified Jewish calendar, and also the letter of Pontius Pilot, written on April 5, 30 AD.


The Messiah died on a Roman cross in Jerusalem on Nisan 14 at 3:00pm, on Wednesday, April 3, in 30AD. In 3 days and 3 nights, exactly 72 hours later, on the Sabbath at 3pm, Saturday, April 6, in 30 AD, Yeshua the Messiah rose from the dead. The Lord of the Sabbath, rose from the dead on the Sabbath, Nisan 17, on Saturday, April 6, 30 AD.

This is important because it proves that God never did change the 4th Commandment. It proves that the pope and others who honor Lucifer's sun god with their Sunday services should consider how their traditions have made the COMMAND of God, of no effect.
Mat 12:39-40 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
 
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I would agree with many here that the date isn't as important as the celebration of it. It doesn't mean we can just pick random dates and traditions and pretend God is pleased with them (ahemEasterahem), however.

That being said, I'm celebrating Passover on the night of the 3rd and the day of the 4th. No better way to celebrate the sacrifice of our Savior.
And I'll be celebrating Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, and "Halleluhjah, it's SUNDAY!" just like I always do.


 

WebersHome

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Jesus Died before sun down Friday
The theory doesn't produce enough nights.

Friday night
Saturday night

That's one night short of the three necessary to fulfill Matt 12:40

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WebersHome

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Utter nonsense. As I said, of far more importance is the "Why?" The
"When?" is virtually inconsequential.
If Christians can't account for the three days and nights predicted in Matt
12:40, then critical thinkers have adequate justification for laughing Christ's
resurrection out of court and dismissing his followers as mentally-challenged
cultists who can't perform simple arithmetic; and the Christians themselves
have cause to suspect their afterlife hopes rest upon fantasy.

†. 1Cor 15:17-19 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you
are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are
lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more
than all men.

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The problem with restoration theology is it condemns the church when Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

why does the church need to be restored? What to some new doctrine never before known before the 19th century?

Jesus didn't leave the church for 1800yrs, what cult do you belong to Jeff? I know you won't answer because your founder has been proven a false prophet.

Yahweh and Yeshua are one, do you believe that Jeff? Name your cult , in the name of God Yahweh Lord of the sabbath, name your cult.
 
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The Messiah died on a Roman cross in Jerusalem on Nisan 14 at 3:00pm, on Wednesday, April 3, in 30AD. In 3 days and 3 nights, exactly 72 hours later, on the Sabbath at 3pm, Saturday, April 6, in 30 AD, Yeshua the Messiah rose from the dead. The Lord of the Sabbath, rose from the dead on the Sabbath, Nisan 17, on Saturday, April 6, 30 AD.
I agree 100% of what you written in blue here.

Mary went to buy spices and prepare them after the Sabbath. This is can only be after the High Sabbath and not the Saturday Sabbath. There would have been no time for her to buy and prepare spices on Sunday morning and still arrive early at the tomb while it was still dark out. It also seems unlikely she would buy and prepare these spices at night, either.
 
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Christ died on Passover. He was arrested that night and died on the same day (remember, the Jewish day starts again at sundown). He then rose three days later.

Find when Passover is on the Hebrew Calendar, add three days, and you have the day Christ rose.

That being said, we celebrate the Lord's death until He comes again each time we partake in the Lord's Supper/Communion.
 

WebersHome

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The Lord of the Sabbath, rose from the dead on the Sabbath
According to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24, Luke
24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4; Christ recovered on the third day.

The third day fell on the day that Christ met with two men traveling on the
road to Emmaus.

†. Luke 24:21 . .We had hoped that he was the one who was going to
redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.

According to the events recorded in Luke 24:1-21, the self same day that
Christ met with the men traveling to Emmaus is the day when the women
went out to the cemetery. That day was not the seventh day of the week; it
was the first.

†. Luke 24:1 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the
women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

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I agree 100% of what you written in blue here.

Mary went to buy spices and prepare them after the Sabbath. This is can only be after the High Sabbath and not the Saturday Sabbath. There would have been no time for her to buy and prepare spices on Sunday morning and still arrive early at the tomb while it was still dark out. It also seems unlikely she would buy and prepare these spices at night, either.
this is so simple and pure and true - the Jews have always had a remnant who guard the Scripture

as Yahweh entrusted the Scripture to THE JEWS (NOT to the pagan sinner gentiles)...

and

the Hebrew Way of Life, as directed and led by Yahweh Who CHOSE the Hebrews as HIS PEOPLE

is known by who? by who? by who? NOT BY THE gentile dogees (sinners who need a savior)

and not by the gentile scholars and not by the gentile pagan greeks...... no. no. no....

BY THE JEWS. the Jews Who Believe and ABIDE (LIVE IN) JESUS the MESSIAH-YAHSHUA HAMASHIACH.

BY THE JEWS Who God Yahweh Chose and Kept for HIMSELF.....

and by the gentiles who God Yahweh Chose to have MERCY ON and soften their hearts.... only those.

the others who dispute Scripture to their own destruction, the gentiles who disgrace their own lives and
don't honor God's Word in their hearts and lives --- they are awaiting certain judgment by God and indeed
some
are already Judged by Him and will never , never, enter His Kingdom.....

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others upon whom God shows mercy and softens their hearts, they live and walk and abide in Him and

honor His Word and learn from Him and they are not going to be ashamed when He raises them from the

dead.
 
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p.s. weber and the whole of this thread with weber is mostly all entirely wrong. weber is posting 'lessons' from another gospel**, not the gospel of Jesus; not the one true gospel that can save.


**from a church /group/ that loves and practices falsehood (Revelation )
 
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According to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24, Luke
24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4; Christ recovered on the third day.

The third day fell on the day that Christ met with two men traveling on the
road to Emmaus.

†. Luke 24:21 . .We had hoped that he was the one who was going to
redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.

According to the events recorded in Luke 24:1-21, the self same day that
Christ met with the men traveling to Emmaus is the day when the women
went out to the cemetery. That day was not the seventh day of the week; it
was the first.

†. Luke 24:1 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the
women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

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Your misunderstanding is in not looking at the motivations behind what the two disciples are actually saying, my friend. Put yourself in the mind of a detective for a moment and think about the two disciples mood and what they might have been thinking. Put yourself in their shoes. If what you suggest is true, the two disciples could not think the prophecy for Jesus to rise on the third day had failed yet because the third day was not over yet. For if what you say is true, then they would be jumping the gun in being all upset before they could give the prophecy a chance to fulfill itself. They would at least give Jesus the benefit of the doubt in showing up on the third day to them at some point. But seeing Jesus did not appear to them on the third day of the Saturday Sabbath, they were having doubts about Christ's prophecy on the following first day of the week (Sunday). They were all sad because they were leaning towards the thinking that Christ failed to keep His promise because they did not see Him on the third day as they were expecting.

The statement in Luke 24:21 where Cleopas, a disciple says, "today is the third day since these things happened" fits. To say the "third day since" means the same thing as the "third day after". How so?

Well, if you were to look at the origin of the word "since" it has the word "afterward" in it's definition.

Online Etymology Dictionary

Also, if you were to look at the word "since" in the King James Online Dictionary, it also defines it as "after."

SINCE - Definition from the KJV Dictionary

In other words, the Jews understood that "three days after" is the same as saying the "third day"; And seeing the English word "since" can be understood as "after", it is saying "three days after"

To put it to you another way, it would be like a person telling you that they were going to keep a promise within three days and they would fail to keep it. Let me give you an example: Let's say Rick told his older brother Steve (Who plays college football) was going to join the football team after graduation and that there was only three days Rick would have in order to sign up. Now, lets say Rick promised his brother that he was going to sign up at least by the last third day after graduation. That he was going to sign up sometime between these three days but he was going to absolutely do so by the third day as a part of his promise. Now, lets say Rick failed to keep his promise and did not sign up by the last third day for the team. The conversation between Rick and Steve could easily go like this,

Rick: "Steve, I hate to break this to you but I did not sign up on the third day as I promised." "Maybe I can talk to the coach and he can make an exception or something."

Steve: "Dude! Today is three days since all these things are done already!" "You can't sign up after three days!" "You know coach Brown will not go for such a thing and you know it!"

In other words, Luke 24:21 says the same thing.

Luke 24:21
"But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since [three days after] these things were done."

Let's examine this.

"But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel."

They had doubts. Why would they doubt if the three days was not over yet?

"Today is the third day since (after) these things have been done."

What things were to be done?

Well, one of the major things that needed to be done was Christ's resurrection!

For Luke 24:7 are the very words of Jesus that prophesied His promise to them. His promise was that He was going to rise three days later; And He kept that promise (Just not in the way they were expecting).
 
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In addition, Mark 16:1 says the two Mary's and Salome bought spices after the Sabbath. This was on Friday. For Thursday was a High Sabbath (i.e. the 15th or the Feast of Unleavened Bread). The other women brought spices on Sunday after Jesus was already risen (For His resurrection took place on the Saturday Sabbath).
 
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WebersHome

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If you can't impress 'em with your intellect; baffle 'em with bee-ess. :cool:

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If you can't impress 'em with your intellect; baffle 'em with bee-ess. :cool:

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So what part of Mark 16:1 do you disagree with? Did the three women buy spices after the Sabbath like the passage says or not? Doesn't the origin of the English word "since" also have a definition of meaning "after"?

Origin of the word "Since"

Online Etymology Dictionary
 
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he's 71 years old, perhaps, and , well..... i think the posts he comes up with for 'lessons' come from a pamphlet or booklet or source not revealed......
 

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†. Matt 12:40 . . Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly
of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights
in the heart of the earth.

Christ was correct: Jonah's ordeal did last for three days. (Jon 1:17)

Jonah was alive for a time in the sea monster's tummy, but his prayer
reveals that he was not alive the whole time. For some of the time, Jonah
was in a place called sheol.

†. Jon 2:1-2 . .Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the stomach of
the fish, and he said: I called out of my distress to the Lord, and He
answered me. I cried for help from the depth of sheol.

Jonah sited sheol underground.

†. Jon 2:5-6 . .The great deep engulfed me, weeds were wrapped around
my head. I descended to the roots of the mountains.

Needless to say: the roots of the mountains are not located in the tummy of
a sea monster; they're situated deep in the earth; which is why Jonah said:
The earth with its bars was around me forever. (Jon 2:6)

Jonah's next words reveal that he underwent a resurrection.

†. Jon 2:6 . . Thou hast brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" isn't a hole dug in the ground for a funeral, but
one that hunters dig for capturing animals. shachath is a common Old
Testament colloquialism for putrefaction, which is the decay that carrion
undergoes. It's used again at Psalm 16:10, which Peter said at Acts 2:23-32
refers to Christ.

But was Christ's corpse interred in the heart of the earth? No, it was interred
on the surface of the earth in a rock-hewn tomb. How then was he in the
heart of the earth? Well, the same way that Jonah was in a place that he
called the roots of the mountains.

In other words: while the men's corpses reposed in their respective graves,
the men themselves parted company with their bodies and went down into
the earth. On the third day of their deaths; the men were re-united with
their bodies and came back to life.

Both men revived while inside their graves. Jonah was vomited out of his;
while apparently Christ strolled out.

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