Sabbath

Grandpa · Mar 21, 2015

What day is the Son of God worship day?

Willie-T · Mar 21, 2015

I'm pretty sure I meant just what I wrote, without you needing to make it something else.

Grandpa · Mar 21, 2015

Some threads, you can almost hear the voice in the background "lets get ready to rumble...." lol

or should I have said "and after much disputing..." (acts 15)

RememberTheSabbathDay · Mar 21, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

All who look for hooks to hang their doubts will always find a hook.

The evening and the morning were the first day. Sabbath is from evening to evening. Sunset to sunset.

To keep the Sabbath, God tells us to put away all your labor and anything that you do during the work week your school work. This is a time to spend with God in nature and with those who are assisting others who are of need. Spending time with family, watching our conversations. Do we honor God in our conversation?

Spending time reading your Bible and sharing Christ with others in the Word. Its about a real relationship with God dwelling on Him as our Creator. You see this was and still is the aim of the enemy to dividing us from our Creator...Listening to good sacred music. Take a break from the I-Phone. Don't buy or sell. Prepare all things that need to be done through the week.Any thing that has to do with an exchange of money..common everyday transactions. Not legalism.

If you must purchase a need for someone..its good...the sick needs care..these are life threatening jobs that affect lives so work must be done to care for these people...But work that pays your bills..common work shouldn't be done. These must come from the heart. But if you can get someone to take your place in the field of nursing..its ok...

But its lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Even Jesus healed on the Sabbath Day. The keep is are we in harmony with God's Word. Once again its about loving God and our fellow man. If we see someone in need..we should do our best to help in the ways we can. The Sabbath is a focus on others and not self. Esteem others higher than yourself. As we should have a habit.

This verse sums it up concerning how to keep the Sabbath Holy. If thou turn away thou foot from the Sabbath from doing thy pleasure on my holy day and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable and shall honor Him not doing thy own ways and finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words.

Then shall thy delight thyself in the LORD and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father for the mouth of the Lord has spoken it. Isaiah 58:13, 14.

If you are really seeking, the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth. Don't take my word for it..please search for yourself. I can only tell you what I know. God says, If you seek me with your whole heart, you will find me. Many go down the wide path of life. But the narrow way is rarely . traveled. At the end of the day its the Word of God that counts and not the doctrines of men.

God has principles and not a lot of do's and don't. The reason He tells us to follow His principles is so we can live and not die.

Willie-T · Mar 21, 2015

I, personally, don't think God really gives a hoot which day of the week you choose to back off the daily grind, slow down, and spend the whole time period resting, and more earnestly and with deliberate concentration, reflect upon your relationship with Jesus. But I don't think it should be a haphazard, catch as catch can, undertaking.

I just happen to think it was intended to be a scheduled time with at least a degree of patterned routine to it.... though not a practiced and religious performance of ritual. It's family time with Daddy, and should be valued as such.

MarcR · Mar 21, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week; commencing at sundown Friday and ending at sundown Saturday.

If it is observed under compulsion to build or maintain a relationship with God, it is of NO VALUE.

The ten commandments is NOT the only place that the Sabbath is mentioned.

In Hebrew the word מוֺעֲד mo ad', which is translated as feast, means appointment or appointed time.

If you make an appointment with a friend to meet at a certain time and place; and your friend doesn't show up, it will probably not end the friendship; but you will be disappointed. [double take intended]

In Leviticus Chapter 23, God has appointed several times at which He has stated His desire to meet with His people.

IMO If some of His people elect not to show up, God is not likely to break off the friendship; but HE is probably disappointed.

Some people believe that the appointed times pertain only to the old covenant; but,Zec 14:3-19

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

clearly indicates that at least the appointed time of tabernacles will be mandatory during Jesus' millennial reign.

IMO this indicates that these are likely still times at which God still desires to meet with His people.

The Sabbath is the first and IMO the most important of the appointed times. of Leviticus 23.

IMO If it is observed legalistically under compulsion of Law, God will be just as disappointed as if we don't show up.

If we observe the appointed times because we are persuaded that God is pleased with our doing so; then I believe that God is far more pleased with us than if we don't.

Jeff_56 · Mar 21, 2015

this simply shows someone who doesn't give a hoot about what God says in His Word - as you have indicated in many other of your posts, and why you haven't been healed.

you dishonor God by not giving a hoot what He says clearly in His Word, and you are not part of His body very much if you don't give a hoot what God Himself says clearly in His Word, and which all Jesus honored and glorified and practiced and all of His disciples as well as all of the Godly Jews.

when you say "you choose" you show that you have not let God choose - and God very strongly without exception chose the seventh day sabbath and set it for Himself and for His People as a sign that they are His People.

those who cry "Jesus is Lord! Jesus is Lord!" but don't do what HE says, but do what they choose instead and contrary to Him especially, are going to be asked by Him sometime "why do you call Me Lord, but don't do what I say?" ...

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popeye · Mar 21, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

hebrews 3&4 are the believer's rest.
"day of rest" is basically replaced by "person" ...IOW our sabath "day" is every day. The Day thinggy is still has "lingering benefits" in that PHYSICALLY you need a day in 7 to recoup,as does the mind need rest and geets that rest when you sleep.

2 distict covenants. Levitical/Judah.

JesusLives · Mar 21, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

Most people on this site I believe think that the Sabbath came with the giving of the 10 Commandments but if you go back to Genesis when God created the heavens and the earth on the 7th day He rested from all His work and spent that first Sabbath if you will with Adam and Eve. I wish I could have been there and been a part of that very first day of rest even though in the Genesis story they didn't call it that. However, when the commandments were given to Moses on the Mt. Sinai the 4th commandment does mention God as the creator tying the commandment back to creation.

There is no other day that has been hallowed, blessed, sanctified, listed as a sign between God and man than the 7th day Sabbath. Those are my thoughts in answer to your question.... I have not read any of the other posts yet but plan to once I have posted this.

God asked us to take time and spend with Him every week so originally I believe it was set up to fellowship directly with God weekly taking that special time to spend just with Him.... I know my daughter and I try and get together on Sundays more so in the summer and spend mother/daughter time together and it is very special.....I think God had the same thing in mind....

maxwel · Mar 21, 2015

JFSurvivor,

I'm just curious...
What denomination are you currently involved in, and what is their view on this topic?

Joidevivre · Mar 21, 2015

I could not help but come back. I felt I neglected to tell you that I live "Sabbath" everyday of my life. Most of my days are spent in His presence worshiping him or reading His word. Why do I need a specific "day"? What more could I do?

Willie-T · Mar 21, 2015

Joidevivre said:

It's really a day to "not do." Have you noticed that about the only thing we are told to labor for is "His rest?"

prove-all · Mar 21, 2015

The Sabbath

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God worked 6 days, On the 7th day he [made] by resting, putting [His] presence in it.

[No] man or [doctrine] can make any other day hollowed or sanctified.

It is [the Lords day], any other is mans tradition.

Pumicestone · Mar 21, 2015

Christians better sort this one out. The consequences could be dire.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14

Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. Exodus 35:2

Whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15

..... they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-36

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled"

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill it."

maxwel · Mar 21, 2015

I love the Sabbath.

I always spend the Sabbath working, working very hard to build a huge fire.

Then I call all my Hebrew Roots friends over, for a barbecue.

Then I cook up lots of yummy pork brats, and pray over the food in "Jesus' name".
And my favorite part of the sabbath... is when I'm talking to Jesus, and I actually call him "Jesus".

I love the Sabbath.
It's a wonderful day.
: )

Rudimental · Mar 21, 2015

Pumicestone. That was in the OT times. Those commands were put to end in the NT.

That was probably a lesson by God to show how harsh the law can be.

The new biggest command now is to love. Which would mean the old man would be able to continue gathering sticks. Even on a Sabbath day.

Jesus even said to the Pharisees that about pulling a servant or an ox out of the well showing that above all to have love. Those in Exodus did not have such reasoning and were doing what was the law yes. But God is Holy.

What can you do on the Sabbath?

Now there are some things that are always okay to do on the Sabbath that the Scribes and Pharisees in Yahushua's day would think forbidden:

John 5:10 (NKJV) The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, "It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry [your] bed."
Luke 13:14 (NKJV) But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Yahushua had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, "There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day."
Luke 6:7 (NKJV) So the scribes and Pharisees watched Him closely, whether He would heal on the Sabbath, that they might find an accusation against Him.
Luke 6:1 (NKJV) Now it happened on the second Sabbath after the first that He went through the grainfields. And His disciples plucked the heads of grain and ate [them], rubbing [them] in [their] hands. 2 And some of the Pharisees said to them, "Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath?"

How Jesus replies.

Luke 13:15 (NKJV) The Master then answered him and said, "Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead [it] away to water it? 16 "So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound--think of it--for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?"
Luke 14:5 (NKJV) Then He answered them, saying, "Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?" 6 And they could not answer Him regarding these things.

People, God is just asking for 1 day of the week for you to show Him some love, respect and recognition which will only be good for your very soul and life anyway. He's not saying that we should not do things on the Sabbath day. He's just saying that you can chill out then if you want to and letting us do it in His name for Him. When you look at it like that, you start wishing that everyday was a Sabbath day.

tourist · Mar 21, 2015

maxwel said:

I love the Sabbath.

I always spend the Sabbath working, working very hard to build a huge fire.

Then I call all my Hebrew Roots friends over, for a barbecue.

Then I cook up lots of yummy pork brats, and pray over the food in "Jesus' name".
And my favorite part of the sabbath... is when I'm talking to Jesus, and I actually call him "Jesus".

I love the Sabbath.
It's a wonderful day.
: )

I could groove on some yummy bbq pork brats. Are these Kosher?

prove-all · Mar 21, 2015

this sunday worship is not from God

On 7 March 321, Constantine I, Rome's first Christian Emperor (see Constantine I and Christianity),
decreed and made law and inforced, that Sunday would be observed as the Roman day of rest:[5]

On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[6]

In 363, Canon 29 of the Council of Laodicea prohibited observance of the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday),
and encouraged Christians to work on the Saturday and rest on the Lord's Day (Sunday).

[8] The fact that the canon had to be issued at all is an indication that adoption of Constantine's decree of 321 was still not universal, not even among Christians. It also indicates that Jews were observing the Sabbath on the Saturday.

Jeff_56 · Mar 21, 2015

JesusLives said:

Most people on this site I believe think that the Sabbath came with the giving of the 10 Commandments but if you go back to Genesis when God created the heavens and the earth on the 7th day He rested from all His work and spent that first Sabbath if you will with Adam and Eve. I wish I could have been there and been a part of that very first day of rest even though in the Genesis story they didn't call it that. However, when the commandments were given to Moses on the Mt. Sinai the 4th commandment does mention God as the creator tying the commandment back to creation.

There is no other day that has been hallowed, blessed, sanctified, listed as a sign between God and man than the 7th day Sabbath. Those are my thoughts in answer to your question.... I have not read any of the other posts yet but plan to once I have posted this.

God asked us to take time and spend with Him every week so originally I believe it was set up to fellowship directly with God weekly taking that special time to spend just with Him.... I know my daughter and I try and get together on Sundays more so in the summer and spend mother/daughter time together and it is very special.....I think God had the same thing in mind....

yahweh called the 7th day a day of rest from the very start, and his people did also. all the time.

Pumicestone · Mar 21, 2015

Rudimental said:

You reckon ?
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled"
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill it."

Are the 'Ten Commandments' no longer valid either. ?
Or do we just pick which OT stuff we like - and discard the bits we don't ?

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