"It is finished." What is the "it?"

[KJV1611]

look it up. People who had a debt, would carry this document, which showed that their debt was "paid in full" I do not have my souce now, but I can get it when I get home, or maybe he has it.

simetimes you need to look at ancient greek sources, and not just biblical lexicons.

No problem EG... I've heard a lot of people say tetelestai means paid in full but I've never seen any examples of it. I did Google it though, and this is what I found.


Observe how the word TETELESTAI was commonly used in the ancient world:
(1) SERVANTS:
Servant used TETELESTAI when reporting to their master, “I have COMPLETED (TETELESTAI) the work assigned to me”. In another ancient secular Greek text we read of the example of a father sending his son on a mission. The son was not to return until he had performed the last act of the mission. When he did return from a successful mission, he used the word TETELESTAI to report to his father that he had accomplished the goal. As Jesus Himself testified “I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many. My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to ACCOMPLISH (teleioo - also derived from telos = goal) His work. I glorified Thee on the earth, having ACCOMPLISHED (teleioo) the work which Thou hast given Me to do. (And so He laid) down His life for His friends." (Jn 6:38-note, Mk 10:45, Jn 4:34-note, Jn 17:4-note, Jn 15:13-note)

The servant said "I have completed (tetelestai) the work. I don't see paid in full.
The son returning from a mission used tetelestai tor report the mission was completed. I don't see paid in full.


(2) PRIESTS:
Priests would examine animals for blemishes before they were sacrificed. If the lamb was faultless, perfect, and acceptable, the priest would say, "TETELESTAI!" Jesus is the Lamb of God Who alone was “without sin” (Heb 4:15-note, cfJn 1:29-note, 1Cor 5:7-note). As Peter testifies we “were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.” (1Pe 1:18-19-note)

When the priest finished the examination he would say tetelestai. I don't see paid in full.


(3) ARTISTS:
Frank Boreham writes that "When the painter or the sculptor had put the last finishing touches to the vivid landscape or the marble bust, he would stand back a few feet to admire his masterpiece, and, seeing in it nothing that called for correction or improvement, would murmur fondly, ‘Tetelestai!’ ‘Tetelestai!’" "IT IS FINISHED!” All the Old Testament “pictures” (types) of Messiah were fulfilled in Christ and were only a “shadow of what is to come; but the substance (reality) belongs to Christ.” (Col 2:17-note). The death of Jesus on the Cross “finished the picture” of redemption, a masterpiece which had been in the Father's heart “from before the foundation of the world” (1Pe 1:20-note, 2Ti 1:9-note).

When the painter or sculptor finished the work he would say tetelestai. I don't see paid in full.


(4) MERCHANTS:
In ancient times when a promissory note was paid, the one holding the note wrote “TETELESTAI” across it. A deed to property was not in effect until it was dated and signed, and when this was accomplished, the clerk wrote “TETELESTAI” across the deed. When someone had a debt and it was paid off, the creditor would write "TETELESTAI" on the certificate of debt signifying that it was "PAID IN FULL". Several years ago, archaeologists digging in Egypt uncovered the "office" of an ancient "CPA." In this office they found a stack of bills, with the Greek word "tetelestai" inscribed across each bill - "Paid in full"! When Christ gave Himself on the Cross, He fulfilled all the righteous demands of the law and our "sin debt" was PAID IN FULL. The OT sacrifices covered sin but could never take sin away. Jesus accomplished what all of the old covenant sacrifices could not do. "In eternity the Son gave the Father a "promissory note" that He would pay the price for humanity’s redemption (see Heb 10:5–7-note). On Calvary the note was PAID IN FULL. TETELESTAI!" (H H Hobbs) As Spurgeon said "There is no mortgage on the saints." Wayne Grudem adds that "If Christ had not paid the full penalty, there would still be condemnation left for us. But since he has paid the full penalty that is due to us, “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Ro 8:1-note).

When a promissory note was redeemed for cash, the creditor would write tetelestai across it indicating that the debt was paid in full.

When a property deed was dated and signed, the clerk wrote tetelestai across the deed, again indicating paid in full

When someone paid off a debt, the creditor would write tetelestai on the certificate indicating that the terms of the debt were finished. Which would mean the debt is paid in full.

From what I gather from the examples given above, tetelestai means that something has been completed. If the completed task is a monetary debt, then whatever was completed resulted in the monetary debt being paid in full.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

No problem EG... I've heard a lot of people say tetelestai means paid in full but I've never seen any examples of it. I did Google it though, and this is what I found.


Observe how the word TETELESTAI was commonly used in the ancient world:
(1) SERVANTS:
Servant used TETELESTAI when reporting to their master, “I have COMPLETED (TETELESTAI) the work assigned to me”. In another ancient secular Greek text we read of the example of a father sending his son on a mission. The son was not to return until he had performed the last act of the mission. When he did return from a successful mission, he used the word TETELESTAI to report to his father that he had accomplished the goal. As Jesus Himself testified “I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many. My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to ACCOMPLISH (teleioo - also derived from telos = goal) His work. I glorified Thee on the earth, having ACCOMPLISHED (teleioo) the work which Thou hast given Me to do. (And so He laid) down His life for His friends." (Jn 6:38-note, Mk 10:45, Jn 4:34-note, Jn 17:4-note, Jn 15:13-note)

The servant said "I have completed (tetelestai) the work. I don't see paid in full.
The son returning from a mission used tetelestai tor report the mission was completed. I don't see paid in full.


(2) PRIESTS:
Priests would examine animals for blemishes before they were sacrificed. If the lamb was faultless, perfect, and acceptable, the priest would say, "TETELESTAI!" Jesus is the Lamb of God Who alone was “without sin” (Heb 4:15-note, cfJn 1:29-note, 1Cor 5:7-note). As Peter testifies we “were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.” (1Pe 1:18-19-note)

When the priest finished the examination he would say tetelestai. I don't see paid in full.


(3) ARTISTS:
Frank Boreham writes that "When the painter or the sculptor had put the last finishing touches to the vivid landscape or the marble bust, he would stand back a few feet to admire his masterpiece, and, seeing in it nothing that called for correction or improvement, would murmur fondly, ‘Tetelestai!’ ‘Tetelestai!’" "IT IS FINISHED!” All the Old Testament “pictures” (types) of Messiah were fulfilled in Christ and were only a “shadow of what is to come; but the substance (reality) belongs to Christ.” (Col 2:17-note). The death of Jesus on the Cross “finished the picture” of redemption, a masterpiece which had been in the Father's heart “from before the foundation of the world” (1Pe 1:20-note, 2Ti 1:9-note).

When the painter or sculptor finished the work he would say tetelestai. I don't see paid in full.


(4) MERCHANTS:
In ancient times when a promissory note was paid, the one holding the note wrote “TETELESTAI” across it. A deed to property was not in effect until it was dated and signed, and when this was accomplished, the clerk wrote “TETELESTAI” across the deed. When someone had a debt and it was paid off, the creditor would write "TETELESTAI" on the certificate of debt signifying that it was "PAID IN FULL". Several years ago, archaeologists digging in Egypt uncovered the "office" of an ancient "CPA." In this office they found a stack of bills, with the Greek word "tetelestai" inscribed across each bill - "Paid in full"! When Christ gave Himself on the Cross, He fulfilled all the righteous demands of the law and our "sin debt" was PAID IN FULL. The OT sacrifices covered sin but could never take sin away. Jesus accomplished what all of the old covenant sacrifices could not do. "In eternity the Son gave the Father a "promissory note" that He would pay the price for humanity’s redemption (see Heb 10:5–7-note). On Calvary the note was PAID IN FULL. TETELESTAI!" (H H Hobbs) As Spurgeon said "There is no mortgage on the saints." Wayne Grudem adds that "If Christ had not paid the full penalty, there would still be condemnation left for us. But since he has paid the full penalty that is due to us, “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Ro 8:1-note).

When a promissory note was redeemed for cash, the creditor would write tetelestai across it indicating that the debt was paid in full.

When a property deed was dated and signed, the clerk wrote tetelestai across the deed, again indicating paid in full

When someone paid off a debt, the creditor would write tetelestai on the certificate indicating that the terms of the debt were finished. Which would mean the debt is paid in full.

From what I gather from the examples given above, tetelestai means that something has been completed. If the completed task is a monetary debt, then whatever was completed resulted in the monetary debt being paid in full.

Source:
Interesting did you see what that page said about prisoners?.......

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]"(5) PRISONERS:

When a Roman citizen was convicted of a crime, he was thrown into prison. A "Certificate of Debt" listing all his crimes was nailed to his cell door so that anyone passing by could know what he had been accused of and the penalty assessed. When the prisoner had served his sentence and was released from bondage, the indictment was taken down from the door and the judge who had put him in prison would sign the indictment and write across it the word TETELESTAI. The freed prisoner was then given this document and if questioned as to why he was out of jail, he could point to the indictment across which the judge had written TETELESTAI. He could rest in safety and security because the word TETELESTAI guaranteed his deliverance and his liberty. The charges for those crimes could never again be brought against him. He would never be a victim of "double jeopardy" (having to pay for the same crime twice). When Jesus cried "TETELESTAI" on the cross, He was saying that anyone who places his trust in His sacrificial death on their behalf, receives in essence a "certificate of debt" with the inscription of "tetelestai", indicating that all their "crimes" (past, present and future) against God have been PAID FOR IN FULL! In light of this truth, Paul could write that because our debt was PAID IN FULL by Jesus, God “has forgiven you all your sins: Christ has utterly wiped out (Greek = completely obliterated) the condemning evidence of broken laws and commandments which always hung over our heads, and has completely annulled it by nailing it over His own head on the Cross. And then having drawn the sting of all the powers ranged against us, He exposed them, shattered, empty and defeated, in His final glorious triumphant act!" (Col 2:14-15 Phillips-[FONT=arial, sans-serif]note[/FONT]) Erwin Lutzer adds that "On the cross, the justice of God was fully satisfied when our heavenly Substitute paid the great price of ransom. As Spurgeon put it, we can stand with confidence despite the thunder of the law and the lightening flash of justice, “for we are safe beneath the cross.” He paid the very last cent of the wages of our sin."




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[eternally-gratefull]

No problem EG... I've heard a lot of people say tetelestai means paid in full but I've never seen any examples of it. I did Google it though, and this is what I found.


Observe how the word TETELESTAI was commonly used in the ancient world:
(1) SERVANTS:
Servant used TETELESTAI when reporting to their master, “I have COMPLETED (TETELESTAI) the work assigned to me”. In another ancient secular Greek text we read of the example of a father sending his son on a mission. The son was not to return until he had performed the last act of the mission. When he did return from a successful mission, he used the word TETELESTAI to report to his father that he had accomplished the goal. As Jesus Himself testified “I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many. My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to ACCOMPLISH (teleioo - also derived from telos = goal) His work. I glorified Thee on the earth, having ACCOMPLISHED (teleioo) the work which Thou hast given Me to do. (And so He laid) down His life for His friends." (Jn 6:38-note, Mk 10:45, Jn 4:34-note, Jn 17:4-note, Jn 15:13-note)

The servant said "I have completed (tetelestai) the work. I don't see paid in full.
The son returning from a mission used tetelestai tor report the mission was completed. I don't see paid in full.


(2) PRIESTS:
Priests would examine animals for blemishes before they were sacrificed. If the lamb was faultless, perfect, and acceptable, the priest would say, "TETELESTAI!" Jesus is the Lamb of God Who alone was “without sin” (Heb 4:15-note, cfJn 1:29-note, 1Cor 5:7-note). As Peter testifies we “were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.” (1Pe 1:18-19-note)

When the priest finished the examination he would say tetelestai. I don't see paid in full.


(3) ARTISTS:
Frank Boreham writes that "When the painter or the sculptor had put the last finishing touches to the vivid landscape or the marble bust, he would stand back a few feet to admire his masterpiece, and, seeing in it nothing that called for correction or improvement, would murmur fondly, ‘Tetelestai!’ ‘Tetelestai!’" "IT IS FINISHED!” All the Old Testament “pictures” (types) of Messiah were fulfilled in Christ and were only a “shadow of what is to come; but the substance (reality) belongs to Christ.” (Col 2:17-note). The death of Jesus on the Cross “finished the picture” of redemption, a masterpiece which had been in the Father's heart “from before the foundation of the world” (1Pe 1:20-note, 2Ti 1:9-note).

When the painter or sculptor finished the work he would say tetelestai. I don't see paid in full.


(4) MERCHANTS:
In ancient times when a promissory note was paid, the one holding the note wrote “TETELESTAI” across it. A deed to property was not in effect until it was dated and signed, and when this was accomplished, the clerk wrote “TETELESTAI” across the deed. When someone had a debt and it was paid off, the creditor would write "TETELESTAI" on the certificate of debt signifying that it was "PAID IN FULL". Several years ago, archaeologists digging in Egypt uncovered the "office" of an ancient "CPA." In this office they found a stack of bills, with the Greek word "tetelestai" inscribed across each bill - "Paid in full"! When Christ gave Himself on the Cross, He fulfilled all the righteous demands of the law and our "sin debt" was PAID IN FULL. The OT sacrifices covered sin but could never take sin away. Jesus accomplished what all of the old covenant sacrifices could not do. "In eternity the Son gave the Father a "promissory note" that He would pay the price for humanity’s redemption (see Heb 10:5–7-note). On Calvary the note was PAID IN FULL. TETELESTAI!" (H H Hobbs) As Spurgeon said "There is no mortgage on the saints." Wayne Grudem adds that "If Christ had not paid the full penalty, there would still be condemnation left for us. But since he has paid the full penalty that is due to us, “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Ro 8:1-note).

When a promissory note was redeemed for cash, the creditor would write tetelestai across it indicating that the debt was paid in full.

When a property deed was dated and signed, the clerk wrote tetelestai across the deed, again indicating paid in full

When someone paid off a debt, the creditor would write tetelestai on the certificate indicating that the terms of the debt were finished. Which would mean the debt is paid in full.

From what I gather from the examples given above, tetelestai means that something has been completed. If the completed task is a monetary debt, then whatever was completed resulted in the monetary debt being paid in full.

yes, and it goes right along with what paul said in collisions.

Col 2
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The handwriting of requirements would be our certificate of debt we had against God.

IE, At the cross. Jesus "paid in full" thus wiping out our debt.

 

[KJV1611]

Source:
Interesting did you see what that page said about prisoners?.......

"(5) PRISONERS:

When a Roman citizen was convicted of a crime, he was thrown into prison. A "Certificate of Debt" listing all his crimes was nailed to his cell door so that anyone passing by could know what he had been accused of and the penalty assessed. When the prisoner had served his sentence and was released from bondage, the indictment was taken down from the door and the judge who had put him in prison would sign the indictment and write across it the word TETELESTAI. The freed prisoner was then given this document and if questioned as to why he was out of jail, he could point to the indictment across which the judge had written TETELESTAI. He could rest in safety and security because the word TETELESTAI guaranteed his deliverance and his liberty. The charges for those crimes could never again be brought against him. He would never be a victim of "double jeopardy" (having to pay for the same crime twice). When Jesus cried "TETELESTAI" on the cross, He was saying that anyone who places his trust in His sacrificial death on their behalf, receives in essence a "certificate of debt" with the inscription of "tetelestai", indicating that all their "crimes" (past, present and future) against God have been PAID FOR IN FULL! In light of this truth, Paul could write that because our debt was PAID IN FULL by Jesus, God “has forgiven you all your sins: Christ has utterly wiped out (Greek = completely obliterated) the condemning evidence of broken laws and commandments which always hung over our heads, and has completely annulled it by nailing it over His own head on the Cross. And then having drawn the sting of all the powers ranged against us, He exposed them, shattered, empty and defeated, in His final glorious triumphant act!" (Col 2:14-15 Phillips-note) Erwin Lutzer adds that "On the cross, the justice of God was fully satisfied when our heavenly Substitute paid the great price of ransom. As Spurgeon put it, we can stand with confidence despite the thunder of the law and the lightening flash of justice, “for we are safe beneath the cross.” He paid the very last cent of the wages of our sin."

I did and I meant to post it but forgot to go back and get it. When the prisoner had finished his sentence and was released, the judge would write tetelestai across the document indicating that he had completed his sentence. This was proof that he had actually completed his sentence and was not as escapee.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Source:
Interesting did you see what that page said about prisoners?.......

"(5) PRISONERS:

When a Roman citizen was convicted of a crime, he was thrown into prison. A "Certificate of Debt" listing all his crimes was nailed to his cell door so that anyone passing by could know what he had been accused of and the penalty assessed. When the prisoner had served his sentence and was released from bondage, the indictment was taken down from the door and the judge who had put him in prison would sign the indictment and write across it the word TETELESTAI. The freed prisoner was then given this document and if questioned as to why he was out of jail, he could point to the indictment across which the judge had written TETELESTAI. He could rest in safety and security because the word TETELESTAI guaranteed his deliverance and his liberty. The charges for those crimes could never again be brought against him. He would never be a victim of "double jeopardy" (having to pay for the same crime twice). When Jesus cried "TETELESTAI" on the cross, He was saying that anyone who places his trust in His sacrificial death on their behalf, receives in essence a "certificate of debt" with the inscription of "tetelestai", indicating that all their "crimes" (past, present and future) against God have been PAID FOR IN FULL! In light of this truth, Paul could write that because our debt was PAID IN FULL by Jesus, God “has forgiven you all your sins: Christ has utterly wiped out (Greek = completely obliterated) the condemning evidence of broken laws and commandments which always hung over our heads, and has completely annulled it by nailing it over His own head on the Cross. And then having drawn the sting of all the powers ranged against us, He exposed them, shattered, empty and defeated, in His final glorious triumphant act!" (Col 2:14-15 Phillips-note) Erwin Lutzer adds that "On the cross, the justice of God was fully satisfied when our heavenly Substitute paid the great price of ransom. As Spurgeon put it, we can stand with confidence despite the thunder of the law and the lightening flash of justice, “for we are safe beneath the cross.” He paid the very last cent of the wages of our sin."

The bolded parts above where what I was saying earlier, thanks for at least finding a source.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did and I meant to post it but forgot to go back and get it. When the prisoner had finished his sentence and was released, the judge would write tetelestai across the document indicating that he had completed his sentence. This was proof that he had actually completed his sentence and was not as escapee.

yes, and as it says, he was given rest and security, not fear and judgment.

that is what God offers us

 

[BradC]

As simple as it can be, this exclamation that we have from the Lord Jesus Christ was said after he had fulfilled the purpose for which he came, to put all sin away. That purpose fulfilled the will of the Father and the will of man. He finished the work as the Son of God and the Son of man. This work could not have been done by any other except for the Father's only begotten Son. There was not a single disciple who walked with him that understood this work and it took many years for them to fully understand it experientially. This work must be taught every believer for the rest of their life as believers. It must be practiced between believers when they fail or fall into sin. It must be esteemed as the doctrine of Christ and never compromised or diminished in any way. The finished work is what we are to lift up that all men might be drawn unto Him.

This finished work is Jesus Christ and him crucified and it is the gospel that we preach. He bore our sin and iniquity on his own body and was crucified through death. The sin issue for the Father in relationship to sinful man has been finished. Sinful man, both of the Jew and Gentile, now can now be reconciled to God by faith through this finished work of the Son without the law. The shed blood on the cross is for the remission of sins and it is through that blood that sinful man is justified by grace through faith, made perfect and complete, receives God's imputed righteousness, has his conscience purged from dead works and has unlimited bold access to God.

This is the standard that we raise up for all men and we are to look upon Christ and his finished work by faith at all times and for all men. There is no other way unto the Father except through the FW of the Son. There is no more striving of the flesh according to the law. There is no more condemnation or wrath when we trust in the finished work of the Son. We have peace with God through the FW of the Son and all things that pertain unto righteousness and true holiness.

IT IS FINISHED - ALL SIN HAS BEEN PUT AWAY - NEVER TO BE REMEMBERED ANYMORE - IT IS FINISHED - NOTHING CAN BE ADDED TO OR TAKEN FROM - SINS, INIQUITIES AND TRESPASSES ARE NOT IMPUTED - IT IS FINISHED - BELIEVE IT IS FINISHED BY CALLING UPON THE NAME OF THE SON AND BE SAVED - IT IS FINISHED AND CHRIST IS THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH BECAUSE IT IS FINISHED

 

[pwrnJC]

Let me see if I understand you please..."Sin without the Law is dead"? Uh, my BIBLE says "FAITH without works is DEAD". Nowhere do I read that our sin, without the Law (ten commandments?) is Dead? SIN is dead only because we confess our sins over to HIM as HIS life changing ever flowing BLOOD covers us. And even after being accepted by JESUS, we still sin. This sounds like your opinion only..Can you back this up with Scripture?

 

[Alextor]

After reading so many post on such a simple question as what does "it" mean, one verse keeps coming into my mind in which I would like to share.

"But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." 2 Cor. 11:3​

 

[Sirk]

"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." -John 19:30

My hubby and I were discussing this Scripture last night, and we are in agreement (although we come to it in different ways) that the "it" is the debt that Jesus paid for us all -- the fulfillment of the Law.

So what say you? How would you describe the "it?"

The death of death.

 

[popeye]

I love the body of Christ, I don't have an attitude toward them. I've learned many things from my brothers and sisters, but my ability to understand the New Testament has nothing to do with "Jewish enlightenment". Everything I and my brothers and sisters in Christ need to understand the bible is in the bible, we don't need a Messianic Jew to unravel the mysteries of the New Testament.

"...but my ability to understand the New Testament has nothing to do with "Jewish enlightenment".

Oh dear,
God forbid you get a hold of the book of hebrews. We would not want any enlightenment.

 

[popeye]

I did and I meant to post it but forgot to go back and get it. When the prisoner had finished his sentence and was released, the judge would write tetelestai across the document indicating that he had completed his sentence. This was proof that he had actually completed his sentence and was not as escapee.

Where in the KJV did you find this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well we would under your template have to reject this totally. Not in the KJV.

Well, Since the KJV is only a translation and not the origional. I would say that is faulty reasoning.

 

[popeye]

Let me see if I understand you please..."Sin without the Law is dead"? Uh, my BIBLE says "FAITH without works is DEAD". Nowhere do I read that our sin, without the Law (ten commandments?) is Dead? SIN is dead only because we confess our sins over to HIM as HIS life changing ever flowing BLOOD covers us. And even after being accepted by JESUS, we still sin. This sounds like your opinion only..Can you back this up with Scripture?

Just have to give them an E for effort.
Uncanny that the core of the issue evades most everyone

 

[popeye]

Well, Since the KJV is only a translation and not the origional. I would say that is faulty reasoning.

Was using his(KJV'S) template for a prism.
You are right though

 

[popeye]

Please explain what you mean... God wrote the bible Old and New Testament.

Well,one clear no briner would be personal testimony. If ALL THERE IS,is the KJV and our "opinions" are rubbish then we would certainly have to throw all personal testimony out as though those "non kjv sentances" coming out of their mouth are not DIRECT KJV quotes.

This nonsence of "all I need is the KJV and I reject everything else",sounds real good to certain religiously centered humanoids,but in reality is nothing but religious dogma.
We are in fact LIVING EPISTLES ,not with a book only,but have aaccess to the one that wrote it.

 

[KJV1611]

Well,one clear no briner would be personal testimony. If ALL THERE IS,is the KJV and our "opinions" are rubbish then we would certainly have to throw all personal testimony out as though those "non kjv sentances" coming out of their mouth are not DIRECT KJV quotes.

This nonsence of "all I need is the KJV and I reject everything else",sounds real good to certain religiously centered humanoids,but in reality is nothing but religious dogma.
We are in fact LIVING EPISTLES ,not with a book only,but have aaccess to the one that wrote it.

Shame shame shame popeye... now you're telling lies. Could you re-post where I said "ALL THERE IS,is the KJV and our "opinions" are rubbish". I never said all we need is the KJV either, I said all we need is the bible and not a Jew to unlock the New Testament.

 

[popeye]

He finished his High Priestly work of atonement.

What none of you realise is that he said it BEFORE he died.
Nothing whatsoever was"finished"
He still had to be buried,decend,take captive the patrirchs,be seen of his family,ascend with his own blood to the Father.

So much of these guesses are nice,and have some overlap,but the core of this event is DIRECTLY tied to the priesthood.

 

[popeye]

Shame shame shame popeye... now you're telling lies. Could you re-post where I said "ALL THERE IS,is the KJV and our "opinions" are rubbish". I never said all we need is the KJV either, I said all we need is the bible and not a Jew to unlock the New Testament.

Sorry sir,but Jesus took away my shame,so that shame arrow missed.
Here are your quotes;

Nope, a Jew did not give me the New Testament, The Jew gave me the New Testament.... and that's the only Jew I need to understand scripture. I don't need Jewish fables to understand the bible.

Sorry popeye but I get my doctrine from the bible. I don't need a Jew to unlock the New Testament for me.

You call ALL jewish testimony "fables"
Will note however that you do infact endorse other bibles such as the NKJV or the living bible. I just assumed you only endorse the KJV 1611.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I say sin, which is in agreement with what you said - fulfillment of the law. Because sin without the law is dead.

Jas_1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

When sin is finished it brings forth death and because of GODs mercy he gave grace so that anyone that believes in his word could have eternal life.