How do you guys do this?

[GaryA]

My "write novels" comment in post #139 was intended in a 'general' sense - and was not referring to JesusistheChrist.

 

[DesiredHaven]

My "write novels" comment in post #139 was intended in a 'general' sense - and was not referring to JesusistheChrist.

I dont think he writes novels, so Im not sure what you mean by that

I do know you were only talking about your own lack of time

He is in the same boat.

If you both work 16 hours a day you guys dont have alot of time

 

[JesusistheChrist]

He did not say that Paul was "least esteemed" --- he said that Paul thought himself to be "least esteemed"...

Precisely.

It's amazing how some people regularly twist other people's words in order to avoid what they've actually said.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I do not know for sure if any of this is actually intended to include me, but - for what it is worth... :

I do not know about others, but - I do not have the "luxury" of having the time that it would take to write the 25,000 words a day that it would take to "keep up" with some here who seem to be able to "write novels" - "right off the fingers into the keyboard" - in every post.

It "takes me forever to write anything" ( exaggerated "just a bit" to make a point ) - a "side-effect" of some things I will not discuss here and now.

I write [ relatively ] short posts because I really do not have the time to write long ones.

If I get "drowned out" -- it is because others are more "at liberty" to "drown me" by simply being able to produce more words / posts than I am able to produce in the same time frame - or, from hour to hour - or, from day to day.

Otherwise, I have decided that it is not worth my while to try to explain myself [ thoroughly enough ] ( which would take 10,000 words or whatever - hence, too much time... ) --- so --- I usually write short posts, because - it would take too much time to write enough words to explain - or address - every last detail...

I have said "plenty enough" in this post.

( It took me over a half an hour to write this post. )

Hey, GaryA.

My comment wasn't meant specifically for you (it was more general in nature), but I've obviously agreed with the posts of yours that I've actually read on this thread. DesiredHaven and I have known each other for about 10 years or so and we've both participated on 4 (at least) different forums together and she knows what I thought of the posters on the other forums. IOW, I doubted if any of them were saved...they really were a God-hating, scripture-hating bunch. Here, however, I've been happily surprised to encounter quite a number of people who seem to know what they're talking about and who seem to actually know Christ. At the same time, however, there is a rather large group of individuals here whom I believe don't know Christ, but have a headful of "knowledge" just the same and they pretty much disrupt most threads with their repeated errors. They are the ones whom I seem to regularly clash with and they are the ones who "drown out" others by repeatedly hijacking threads with their error.

Anyhow, believe me, I understand your time limitations. I was off the last two days, so I had a little more time than usual, but I had just finished working nine 16 hour days prior to that, so I really have to make time to post here myself normally. In fact, today I'll be leaving for work at about 6:00 a.m. and I won't get home until about 10:00 p.m., so it's "business as usual" again for me.

I hope that this helps to clarify my earlier comments a bit.

Have a blessed day in the Lord.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

My "write novels" comment in post #139 was intended in a 'general' sense - and was not referring to JesusistheChrist.

I'll take you at your word, but it wouldn't be a problem either way. IOW, I've regularly been criticized on forums for the lengths of my posts, but here's the thing:

The bulk of my posts' lengths is normally SCRIPTURE and I find that many people simply hate the Word of God. Believe me, I'm NOT referring to you, but I am definitely referring to some others both on this forum and elsewhere. Yes, sad to say, many people post nothing but their misguided opinions and then get all "up in arms" when the same is confronted with the actual Word of God or scripture. Again, I'm NOT referring to you by any means, but I am definitely referring to certain others. Of course, there are also those who "cherry-pick" certain scriptures out of context and post them in attempts to validate their own error and such also "forces" me at times to quote the same "cherry-picked" out of context scripture in its fuller context to show its actual intended meaning and that also adds length to my posts.

Anyhow, I've got to start getting ready for another grueling day of work...

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I dont think he writes novels, so Im not sure what you mean by that.

He said that he wasn't referring to me, so I'll just take him at his word and, as I said, it wouldn't bother me either way anyways.

Ironically, though, as I've told you before over the years, I HATE writing and it's somewhat laborious for me, but God's grace is sufficient for me. Furthermore, in even more irony, I've actually felt the call of God to write a book (or books) for years and I've struggled greatly with the same and I've never made it past the first few chapters on any work which I've sought to undertake at what I believe to be God's prompting. I do believe that I'll eventually get to the place where God affords me the much needed grace to accomplish the task, but I'm simply not there yet. Part of the problem is my time restrictions due to my long work hours and other responsibilities, but, again, I'm hoping that such will change for the better somewhere down the line.

Well, I do need to get ready for work.

Have a blessed day in the Lord.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Although I will say this (which I never said to him before either) he does tend to blow my mind in how he can sleep so little, work so much and still bring so much to the table (with the time available to him). And do so more thoughtfully (when he keeps it just scriptures) minus just a little of his unecessary trademark commentary (lol) but we are always at odds on that cause it gives me agita.

Hey, part of my "trademark commentary" is an occasional "zinger" just to keep things lively.

lol.

Gotta run...

 

[fredjames]

Those who had no standing in the Church were those judges who were outside the Church. Verse four is a question, to the Corinthian Church. Paul was asking them why they were doing such a shameful thing.

As it is written;

'Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. For we all stumble in many ways, and if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridal his whole body.'

oldhermit, oldhermit, oldhermit, stop 'clowning' around with the 'Holy Scripture' knowledge. And who is your pal, the 'joker', who 'likes' your reply?

As it is written;

"The blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch."

1 Corinthians 6;1-5

Apostle Paul is addressing to the leaders and officials, saints of the church that they are able to be as judges, in order to settle everyday matters, in this case 'a grievance against another', between believers and there is no need to take each other to a worldly magistrate court, a court of sinners.

'Witnessing lambs and sheep of GOD', please carefully witness, the 'vast' difference in 'testimony' came from between both in 'testifying', about the same Holy Scripture, 1 Corinthians chapter 6; 1-5 and 1 Corinthians 6;4,5?

May GOD forgive you and bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[ChristInUs]

there are a lot blind leading the blind 67 million for a jet? why when you can broadcast on you tube for free?

 

[DesiredHaven]

He said that he wasn't referring to me, so I'll just take him at his word and, as I said, it wouldn't bother me either way anyways.

Ironically, though, as I've told you before over the years, I HATE writing and it's somewhat laborious for me, but God's grace is sufficient for me. Furthermore, in even more irony, I've actually felt the call of God to write a book (or books) for years and I've struggled greatly with the same and I've never made it past the first few chapters on any work which I've sought to undertake at what I believe to be God's prompting. I do believe that I'll eventually get to the place where God affords me the much needed grace to accomplish the task, but I'm simply not there yet. Part of the problem is my time restrictions due to my long work hours and other responsibilities, but, again, I'm hoping that such will change for the better somewhere down the line.

Well, I do need to get ready for work.

Have a blessed day in the Lord.

You have a blessed day in the Lord as well

And I believe you would do really welll in the ^above ^ if you left out your trademark stuff in the v below v lol

Hey, part of my "trademark commentary" is an occasional "zinger" just to keep things lively.

lol.

Gotta run...

Yeah, sure, whatever ya say lol ... See ya later gator

 

[GaryA]

I think you do just fine on your posts GaryA, besides its not the length of the post is the substance.

Thank you. I do always try to aim for 'substance' over 'length'...

( If 'length' happens -- then, well -- it must have seemed necessary. )

The bulk of my posts' lengths is normally SCRIPTURE...

I understand -- my more "lengthy" posts ... usually because of scripture added to the post.

 

[weakness]

Here is only ONE other rendering of the same passage......

1 Corinthians 6 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

Settling Disagreements between Christians

6 When one of you has a complaint against another, how dare you go to court to settle the matter in front of wicked people. Why don’t you settle it in front of God’s holy people? 2 Don’t you know that God’s people will judge the world? So if you’re going to judge the world, aren’t you capable of judging insignificant cases? 3 Don’t you know that we will judge angels, not to mention things in this life? 4 When you have cases dealing with this life, why do you allow people whom the church has a low opinion of to be your judges? 5 You should be ashamed of yourselves! Don’t you have at least one wise person who is able to settle disagreements between believers? 6 Instead, one believer goes to court against another believer, and this happens in front of unbelievers.

7 You are already totally defeated because you have lawsuits against each other. Why don’t you accept the fact that you have been wronged? Why don’t you accept that you have been cheated? 8 Instead, you do wrong and cheat, and you do this to other believers.

9 Don’t you know that wicked people won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals, 10 or thieves, those who are greedy or drunk, who use abusive language, or who rob people will not inherit God’s kingdom. 11 That’s what some of you were! But you have been washed and made holy, and you have received God’s approval in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.[/QUOTE/ I don't personally like this interpretation. It changes the meaning of vs. 4. In my bible vs.4 is basically saying that even the least esteemed with the Holy Spirit is more than capable of judging matters, And that, as today we put highly esteemed with a tinge of respect of persons in charge. But I don't think Paul is saying "why do you set the least esteemed to judge? " as your translation is saying,in that it is a bad thing. far to often denomination have a click group that are highly esteemed that dominate the group and the Spirit inspired way of every member adding his measure of Christ is ,thrown out the window and a clergy/ laity type system is used. We forget that the Spirit in us is more than capable, which is usually thrown to the dogs in some denominations. Paul was being sarcastic in a way, but was also very serious. In another place Paul speaks of the least esteemed members being more needful to the body. Says although your heart is not esteemed with out ward comeliness, yet it is a very important member of the body to the point that we could not even live without this unseen member. Thanks

 

[weakness]

Paul is making a simple observation. The church is claiming to live in humbleness and love, yet rather than practising it between each other they are going to court. He is not suggesting churches should set up courts, but rather both parties should resolve the issue themselves. How it is resolved is up to the people involved, but this is fruit of the failure of forgiveness and love in the fellowship. We are not a legalistic body with rights of authority over each other, but a free community of people giving where there is need. The fruit of knowing things are going wrong is such a dispute, which indicates further investigation and questioning is required, which by ready corinthians is obvious.[/QUOTEwe should judge among ourselves now least we be judged latter.But if we read farther Paul says why don't you take being defrauded rather than going before the world or suffer wrong. this is suffering for the gospels sake, which Jesus spoke much about, giving your coat, going two miles, turn the other cheek, for this is what Jesus did,and we are to be like him.If Jesus had not turned the other cheek we would not be saved now. Although swaying of the straight and narrow and going from handling disputes in love to a domineering shunning or cultish permanency would be par for the course of fleshly led people.thanks

 

[Word_Swordsman]

It's a fault of human nature to seek for ways around the teachings of Jesus, especially in the arena of forgiving those who wrong us. Outright forgiving someone who's wronged us is difficult, I agree, especially when there's no sign of secured repentance. It takes some fortitude to follow through with that. When we choose to take the matter outside the Church, in effect seeking revenge, we make the original sin worse.

Paul was only backing up the spirit of Jesus' teaching. If it is ignored, then great damage to the Church and to individual members lies at the door.

Being critters that will one day judge angels and the world, we ought to know it is within our collective power to judge relatively insignificant matters without taking it outside the Church. Whatever happened to prayer for wisdom?

If the "least esteemed" Christian, a person in Christ that never gets nominated for election to Usher, or Deacon on the Board, or asked to teach Sunday School, never recommended to be on a single committee, is a Christian, having the Holy Spirit in them, can't be trusted to simply hear out a simple, non-corporate complicated dispute, then that church has a serious problem. Do we discriminate, saying to the left little toe "I could do without you?". I can testify that every least part of my body is important, as when that little toe got a hard corn between it and the next toe, my life changed a while. It didn't matter how "important" or healthy the other parts were.

Any dispute between just two Christians is subject to discovery of wrongs and ways to weigh wrongs by even brethren that might not have a high school diploma, but have experienced "life", and know right from wrong, hearing the Bible taught many years. I've watched it happen too many times to count, little old elder grandmothers sitting in on a young couple's dispute, instantly knowing the problems and one or more solutions. There really is nothing new under the sun. Living out such decisions over many decades qualifies people in Christ to present answers pleasing to the Lord, those answers seasoned by the Word and prayer of faith, if not but a single passage of scripture involved.

 

[fredjames]

Friends please pray and plead for GOD's church in 'one mind', according to the written Holy Scripture in the HOLY BIBLE, that they have mostly have gone ahead of CHRIST's teachings.

The problems are not with 'believers', but those who have authority over them and 'leading' a 'congregation that consist of GOD's redeemed people', who look to them as 'mentors'. Since these 'mentors' have 'led' these 'poor' beginners towards them for all answers and justification, even in ignorance to CHRIST's teachings and also not towards CHRIST of 'Grace' and 'Truth', is the cause of all these 'problems'.

GOD is showing these through HIS knowledge to us about what is happening to HIS church, as how HE did with Prophets who lived long ago about Israel. So we as the 'little prophets' who have 'witnessed' firsthand the problems, and as members of the 'body of CHRIST', we should be responding as they did, in praying and pleading to GOD for them and also 'boldly' address to them, the church of their 'lawlessness' against their Savior GOD and dishonoring HIS SON's words/teachings in their living and witnessing.

Also since these things are happening in HIS church, GOD is 'witnessing' also our 'responds' and 'reaction' towards these matters, that are we who know, 'acting' wisely, according to HIS teachings of 'AGAPE', being truly for them and not in 'arrogance' against them?

If not, we are no better than them because 'we do the very same things that they do'. These are the very 'act' of spiritual 'sexual immorality', one of the fruit of the carnal/flesh.

Sadly our 'planted' knowledge of 'AGAPE' is also growing 'cold' towards these matters, again as a 'worldly pattern' of religiousness, 'practiced' in carnal/flesh godly faith action. The 'leaders' of Israel during JESUS's time are our correctional examples even today. Since they were also 'gifted' by GOD in HIS 'precepts' and 'respected' in their community, but have 'always placed the burden (of the law knowledge of GOD) on the people and never lifted up a hand to help them'.

1 Corinthians 13;2, will be the 'justice' of GOD against us, if we 'ignore' our 'self' righteousness and go on ahead like them, whom we are 'called' through the same 'knowledge of Grace' to 'love unconditionally' in knowledge faith spiritual practice.

Thank you, and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST's corrections be encouraging to us and may HE forgive us and bless us with boldness to exceed in righteousness, since we have HIS knowledge 'imparted' in us.

 

[GaryA]

Precisely.

It's amazing how some people regularly twist other people's words in order to avoid what they've actually said.

( Or, to try to get others to believe that they said something they did not actually say. )

"Happens a great deal, on here..."

 

[pwrnJC]

What is see from these verses is that all in the church have equality in CHRIST, but a few exercise their spirtual gifts more openly than others. What goes on in a church, should be holy spirit led and in one accord. We do not need to take our trivial little disagreements to a secular court for settlement, making the outside world mock us and laugh. No, we are not to be exclusive to the point that certain matters within the four walls of our church do not have a lawful recourse. Example, allowing a priest to continually molest children, or a secretary to steal monies, etc. But to always complain about someone in our congregation, carry it to the newpapers and columnists, or circuit courts or outside venues that allow us to be scrutinized and made fun of by society...would not be a reflection of JESUS at all to the world.

 

[GaryA]

And I know this is to him...

To him - but, not only to him...

Anyway, sorry I didnt mean to butt in there.

You didn't...


Please see this thread.

 

[DesiredHaven]

To him - but, not only to him...



You didn't...


Please see this thread.

I cant make heads or tails out of it, whats it about?

 

[GaryA]

Hey, GaryA.

My comment wasn't meant specifically for you (it was more general in nature), but I've obviously agreed with the posts of yours that I've actually read on this thread. DesiredHaven and I have known each other for about 10 years or so and we've both participated on 4 (at least) different forums together and she knows what I thought of the posters on the other forums. IOW, I doubted if any of them were saved...they really were a God-hating, scripture-hating bunch. Here, however, I've been happily surprised to encounter quite a number of people who seem to know what they're talking about and who seem to actually know Christ. At the same time, however, there is a rather large group of individuals here whom I believe don't know Christ, but have a headful of "knowledge" just the same and they pretty much disrupt most threads with their repeated errors. They are the ones whom I seem to regularly clash with and they are the ones who "drown out" others by repeatedly hijacking threads with their error.

Anyhow, believe me, I understand your time limitations. I was off the last two days, so I had a little more time than usual, but I had just finished working nine 16 hour days prior to that, so I really have to make time to post here myself normally. In fact, today I'll be leaving for work at about 6:00 a.m. and I won't get home until about 10:00 p.m., so it's "business as usual" again for me.

I hope that this helps to clarify my earlier comments a bit.

Have a blessed day in the Lord.

You need not be concerned about your comments -- I am not offended in the slightest. On the contrary -- I very much appreciate it when others give a voice to defend against the "uselessness" of the kind of thing you are speaking of in the quote above.

I am not nearly as "flappable" as some on here. Nor am I so easily offended by what others might say. Yes - I have, a few times, allowed others to "rile me up" because of the sheer "ridiculousness" of their completely "senseless" arguments / explanations / etc. ( But then, this is the kind of stuff that "gets to me" -- moreso than if someone calls me a heretic or etc. )

I am not nearly so concerned by what others think of me than I am about what God thinks of me. In as much as I am doing what He wants me to do ( or, saying what He wants me to say ) on here - I am less worried about how others "react" to me.

I believe in The Golden Rule. I believe everyone has the right to believe what they will. And, we all get our turn on Judgment Day...

Therefore, I try to not get caught up in the "accusing" / "bashing" / "lambasting" / etc. -- it is not my "position" ( as in, intention ) to do such. I give my "opinion" on the "subject matter at hand" - for what it is worth - and let it go at that... If I speak out against something someone says -- it is because I believe that such is warranted for the sake of truth or for the preservation of good fellowship.

It seems to me that you certainly have it much worse than me -- I don't usually work 16 hours a day. ( At least, not most days. ) However, my 9 - 12 hour days seem to "wipe me out" a lot... ( most days )

I'll take you at your word, ...

Please understand that - it was not so much the length of other people's posts that I was "lamenting" about in post #139; but rather, my inability to "keep up" with all of the ideas and details that are generally presented in ( some ) other people's "long" posts...

My point in that post was that - ( some ) other people seem to be able to effortlessly write - "in short order" - their thoughts and ideas into long posts ... something that I cannot seem to do very well. And, hence - I am unable to "keep up" with them ... they can "out-write" me - and, thereby, "drown me out"...

Thus - I must "pick and choose" what "points" I wish to address -- because, I generally do not have the time to address them all ( or, all that I would like to ). I am too easily "left in the dust" of conversation.

He said that he wasn't referring to me, so I'll just take him at his word and, as I said, it wouldn't bother me either way anyways.

Ironically, though, as I've told you before over the years, I HATE writing and it's somewhat laborious for me, but God's grace is sufficient for me. Furthermore, in even more irony, I've actually felt the call of God to write a book (or books) for years and I've struggled greatly with the same and I've never made it past the first few chapters on any work which I've sought to undertake at what I believe to be God's prompting. I do believe that I'll eventually get to the place where God affords me the much needed grace to accomplish the task, but I'm simply not there yet. Part of the problem is my time restrictions due to my long work hours and other responsibilities, but, again, I'm hoping that such will change for the better somewhere down the line.

Well, I do need to get ready for work.

Have a blessed day in the Lord.

Some of what you have said here is very familiar to me -- especially the idea of being called by God to do something ( write ) that is - "to say the very least" - "not my strong-suit"...

( I most definitely do not consider 'writing' to be something I am good at... It is certainly not something I am fast at... )