Who was the sacrifice of Christ offered to, God or man?

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forsha

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Christ died for the sins of those that God gave to him to carry out his Fathers will to redeem them back to Him. His sacrifice was offered to God in answer of completing his Father's will. Show me where it was offered to man for his acceptance.
 
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You just opened a can of worms.
 
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Christ died for the sins of those that God gave to him to carry out his Fathers will to redeem them back to Him. His sacrifice was offered to God in answer of completing his Father's will. Show me where it was offered to man for his acceptance.
I am on my tablet and its hard to copy and paste without going through a lot of steps so I'll just give you
John 3:16
 
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DesiredHaven

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Here it says who he died for here

John 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people,
and
that the whole nation perish not.


John 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year,
he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;


1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,
but also for
the sins of the whole world.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,
to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
through the forbearance of God;

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time
his righteousness: that he might be just,
and the justifier
of him which believeth in Jesus.

Accepting meaning believe? I dont see the word accepting there but checking secular dictionaries the word means believe, and in Romans 3:26, following the same line of though with the propitiation inclusive not only of one people (but the world) is followed up there with him who believes (or as secular dictionaries say, "accept")

I like to use words in scripture to find the place better though.


 

GuessWho

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Christ died for the sins of those that God gave to him to carry out his Fathers will to redeem them back to Him. His sacrifice was offered to God in answer of completing his Father's will. Show me where it was offered to man for his acceptance.
Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world and the sacrifice is offered to God. We unite with Jesus Christ' sacrifice and resurrection and this is how we offer ourselves to God - through Jesus Christ.
 

oldhermit

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ALL sacrifices are offered to the Lord. Man is simply the beneficiary.
"Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, “SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED,BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME. IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE.“THEN I SAID, ‘BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." Heb. 10:5-7.
 
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DesiredHaven

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John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour:
but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Not my will by thine be done

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
 
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Kaycie

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The payment for sin is payable only to God. However God had to pick a payment that was just, otherwise He would lose His throne. God has to be holy and righteous.
 

GuessWho

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However God had to pick a payment that was just, otherwise He would lose His throne.
This sentence implies that God is not powerful and great and is submitted to another god...
 

MarcR

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Christ died for the sins of those that God gave to him to carry out his Fathers will to redeem them back to Him. His sacrifice was offered to God in answer of completing his Father's will. Show me where it was offered to man for his acceptance.

Jesus' sacrifice was offered to God to satisfy the penalty for SIN. (ALL SIN)

The sacrifice was NOT OFFERED TO MAN FOR HIS ACCEPTANCE!

For a man, or woman to avail himself (herself) of this payment on our behalf; it is necessary confess and repent; and to accept the Lordship (ownership) of Jesus on our lives.


2 Pe 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV

and

Jn 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
KJV


and

Jn 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
KJV


and

Rv 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
KJV


must all be simultaneously true.
 

prove-all

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God accepts the lambs blood

Leviticus 23 explains all of God’s festivals proclaimed holy convocations,
Beginning verse 9, we find instructions for the wave-sheaf offering.

The Israelites were not allowed to harvest any of the early grain crop until this day.
Then, on the day following the weekly Sabbath, in a solemn ceremony of
the Levitical priesthood,The sheaf was then brought to the priest.

The priest solemnly waved it before the Eternal to be accepted for them.
This event always occurred during the Days of Unleavened Bread.

This pictures the resurrected Christ ascending to heaven to be accepted by
His Father as the very first human to be actually born of God

-the firstfruit of the first harvest of souls!

By comparing John 20:17 with Matthew 28:9, you will see that Christ presented
Himself before the Father on the morning after His resurrection the previous evening
(1 Corinthians 15:20, 23; Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15, 18).

This fulfillment of the wavesheaf offering actually occurred on Sunday,
the morrow after the Sabbath during the Days of Unleavened Bread.

The word Pentecost is a Greek word, used in the New Testament, but not in the Old.
It signifies “fiftieth (day). Old Testament this feast is called “feast of firstfruits,” and “feast of weeks.”

Pentecost pictures the first part of the spiritual harvest— the calling out of the Church
the called-out ones—which, for the New Testament dispensation, began on Pentecost,

On that day the Holy Spirit came to dwell within flesh, as prophesied by Joel.
On the 50th day (Pentecost) in Old Testament times, two “wave loaves” (Leviticus 23:17, 20)
were brought out of the habitations of the congregation as the firstfruits unto the Lord.

Just so the New Testament Church was gathered out of this world as the firstfruits of
His salvation, in fulfillment of the meaning of the wave loaves.

And just as the wave sheaf was lifted up into the air and waved, symbolizing Christ’s trip to
heaven and return, so the wave loaves were lifted up and waved, symbolizing that we too
shall for a moment leave this solid Earth when we ascend to meet in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

before we return with Him to stand on the Mount of Olives as He begins His millennial rule
(Acts 1:11; Zechariah 14:3-4).


17Ye shall bring out of your habitations [two] wave loaves of two tenth deals:
they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.

I believe one loave is you or me, later too if when accepted by God
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Christ died for the sins of those that God gave to him to carry out his Fathers will to redeem them back to Him. His sacrifice was offered to God in answer of completing his Father's will. Show me where it was offered to man for his acceptance.
It is a covenant agreement. A covenant requires two parties, though only one of the parties may be required to "do" something -- in this case, God is the only one required to deliver anything, and that "thing" is salvation. Still, man must seal the bargain through faith -- which even then is something provided by God.

Nonetheless, it is a two-party covenant. Man believes in Christ's sacrifice, death, burial, and resurrection for salvation. God provided everything of "tangible necessity" but the faith He provides must be acted on, meaning man must have faith in the sovereignty of God, believing that what He says, He will do.
 
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forsha

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I am on my tablet and its hard to copy and paste without going through a lot of steps so I'll just give you
John 3:16
The word "world" in John3:16, along with John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19, according to Thayer's Greek interpretation means, used of believers only. Not all mankind.
 
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forsha

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Here it says who he died for here

John 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people,
and
that the whole nation perish not.


John 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year,
he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;


1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,
but also for
the sins of the whole world.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,
to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
through the forbearance of God;

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time
his righteousness: that he might be just,
and the justifier
of him which believeth in Jesus.

Accepting meaning believe? I dont see the word accepting there but checking secular dictionaries the word means believe, and in Romans 3:26, following the same line of though with the propitiation inclusive not only of one people (but the world) is followed up there with him who believes (or as secular dictionaries say, "accept")

I like to use words in scripture to find the place better though.


John 11:50, Cai-a-phas, the high Roman priest was not a prophet of God, neither did Jesus make this statement. This also is referring to a nation, not all mankind.
 
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forsha

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Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world and the sacrifice is offered to God. We unite with Jesus Christ' sacrifice and resurrection and this is how we offer ourselves to God - through Jesus Christ.
Is this just "guesswho's" doctrine, or do I get some inspired scriptures to back up your theory?
 
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forsha

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John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour:
but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Not my will by thine be done

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Many means the larger part of persons or things, not the whole.
 
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DesiredHaven

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John 11:50, Cai-a-phas, the high Roman priest was not a prophet of God, neither did Jesus make this statement. This also is referring to a nation, not all mankind.
Scripture says he didnt say this of himself

John 11:51 And this spake he not of himself:
 
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forsha

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Jesus' sacrifice was offered to God to satisfy the penalty for SIN. (ALL SIN)

The sacrifice was NOT OFFERED TO MAN FOR HIS ACCEPTANCE!

For a man, or woman to avail himself (herself) of this payment on our behalf; it is necessary confess and repent; and to accept the Lordship (ownership) of Jesus on our lives.


2 Pe 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV

and

Jn 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
KJV


and

Jn 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
KJV


and

Rv 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
KJV


must all be simultaneously true.
All scripture that you have listed is true, you just have not applied them to the right salvation. Salvation is "a deliverance". Eternal salvation is being delivered from this sinful world to a home in heaven. Most of the salvation scriptures are not pertaining to eternal salvation, but to a deliverance we receive here on earth. When we repent of a sin that we have done and God forgives us of the sin, we have been saved (delivered) from the quilt of that sin.
 
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It is by God and through God and to God. By faith in that we please God. Anthing else is self righteousness.