Hebrews 6:1-6

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eternally-gratefull

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kennethcadwell said:
That is what E.G. was saying that you agreed with him on, so therefore your pushing of trying to have me admit I was wrong when I wasn't.

You don't like the writings of a Holy Spirit lead Apostle Barnabas, and the writings of a Holy Spirit lead understudy of the Apostle John in Polycarp then that is fine. It is your choice to do so, but the Holy Spirit guided me to those as well as others so that I was not caught up in these personal man made doctrines of men that use a private interpretation of the scriptures. Who better to give you all truth then the Holy Spirit Himself, as the bible says He will !!!
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so when are you going to admit you consider those books equal with scripture and you use them?

Or are you going to continue to lie.

It has already been proven the barnabus you spoke of was not the understudy of paul. he would have been dead by the time that book was written.

But you will keep denying your lieing, and keep denying what you say.



 
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notuptome said:
They went out from us because they were not of us. Pretenders who profess that which they do not possess. Tares in the wheat.

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This old misuse of scripture again, as I pray to God people would pay attention to the scriptures that come before this one in 1 John 2:19 as it shows who is being referred to here.

(2:18) Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

These are false teachers that never had the true gospel in mind, but to sneak in an corrupt the word of God as Apostle Paul said in another scripture. Not people who fall away because of deception or hardship.........
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
so when are you going to admit you consider those books equal with scripture and you use them?

Or are you going to continue to lie.

It has already been proven the barnabus you spoke of was not the understudy of paul. he would have been dead by the time that book was written.

But you will keep denying your lieing, and keep denying what you say.



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I consider everything the Holy Spirit says as equal because He can not deny Himself !!!
 
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notuptome said:
They went out from us because they were not of us. Pretenders who profess that which they do not possess. Tares in the wheat.

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they do not like those verses which does not support their view.

They will right them up as antichrist.

well what is an antichrist?

One who rejects Christ as the giver of eternal life to all who believe based on the cross.

A judaiser is an antichrist, iven if he believes Christ was a real person and died on the cross. Because he rejects Christ.

to finish what john said, If they had been of us, they would have remained, but they departed to PROVE they were NEVER of us!
 
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kennethcadwell said:
This old misuse of scripture again, as I pray to God people would pay attention to the scriptures that come before this one in 1 John 2:19 as it shows who is being referred to here.

(2:18) Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

These are false teachers that never had the true gospel in mind, but to sneak in an corrupt the word of God as Apostle Paul said in another scripture. Not people who fall away because of deception or hardship.........
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lol.. A antichrist is one who rejects eternal life.

Guess we know what that makes you
 
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kennethcadwell said:
I consider everything the Holy Spirit says as equal because He can not deny Himself !!!
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thanks, you just admitted I was right. was that so hard?

Now. back to the important issues. Since those men did not right scripture. What makes you think they were led by the spirit? Were you there to know they were led?

And why, If all inspired words are part of scripture. were those writings not included in scripture as Gods word? Did God make a mistake?
 
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Elin said:
Peter's conduct was hypocritical, indicating both that Christians were not under the law before the Judaizers arrived, and also that they were under the law after the Judaizers arrived.

That is false teaching.
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No, Peter did not sit and eat with the Gentiles when Jewish believers were around because of he was afraid of what they thought of him. Because there was still a big discussion among the Jews on rather the Gentiles should have the same gift of salvation as they do. Peter distance himself from the Gentiles when those Jewish believers were around because of how they felt. That was why he was in the wrong, not because he gave false teaching on the gospel.
 
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You can't fall away from the faith if you are not in the faith.
A counterfeit faith is not the faith.
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What is professed as faith is identified as faith in the NT, and
only when it is shown otherwise, as in 1Jn 2:19, do we know that it is actually counterfeit faith
which had no root of rebirth and, therefore, apostasized in the time of testing (Lk 8:13).
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
thanks, you just admitted I was right. was that so hard?

Now. back to the important issues. Since those men did not right scripture. What makes you think they were led by the spirit? Were you there to know they were led?

And why, If all inspired words are part of scripture. were those writings not included in scripture as Gods word? Did God make a mistake?
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Do we have to go round and round on this when I have shown and explained it many times???

Apostle Barnabas is clearly mentioned in the bible as a true Apostle, which means he had to have been Spirit lead.
Second Polycarp learned under and taught side by side with the Apostle John, so if the Apostle John acknowledged him then he to had to be Holy Spirit lead as well.

If we go and through their writings away then you might as well as do that with all the NT, because all of the NT scriptures we have were written by men inspired by God (Lead by the Holy Spirit). It amazes me how people want to say this handful we have writings of in the bible are true Apostles, but then want to discredit the rest of the true Apostles.
 
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Elin said:
What is professed as faith is identified as faith in the NT, and
only when it is shown otherwise, as in 1Jn 2:19, do we know that it is actually counterfeit faith
which had no root of rebirth and, therefore, apostasized in the time of testing (Lk 8:13).
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We know a counterfeit faith because the Lord says we will know them by their fruits.
If a person continues to live a deliberate sinful lifestyle, the way they talk to others, and the showing of no love for everybody is a clear sign they are not in Christ unto salvation. A person that believes the bible constantly shows can not continue to live the same way they did before they came to Christ.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
Not people who fall away because of deception or hardship.........
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More red herrings. People do not fall away because of deception or hardship. those whom Christ has embraced and taken as His own can never become separated from Him. You see I may place my hand is His but He never lets me go. He is faithful even when I stumble and fall. He lifts me up and restores me every time I fall.

The butterfly can never go back to being a caterpillar. The change from sinner to saint is not reversible.

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kennethcadwell said:
No, Peter did not sit and eat with the Gentiles when Jewish believers were around because of he was afraid of what they thought of him.
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Peter's hyprocritical actions demonstrated a false gospel.

That is false teaching.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
No, Peter did not sit and eat with the Gentiles when Jewish believers were around because of he was afraid of what they thought of him. Because there was still a big discussion among the Jews on rather the Gentiles should have the same gift of salvation as they do. Peter distance himself from the Gentiles when those Jewish believers were around because of how they felt. That was why he was in the wrong, not because he gave false teaching on the gospel.
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The apostle Peter's hypocritical actions portrayed a false gospel.

When it comes from an apostle, that amounts to false teaching.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
We know a counterfeit faith because the Lord says
we will know them by their fruits.
If a person continues to live a deliberate sinful lifestyle, the way they talk to others, and the showing of no love for everybody is a clear sign they are not in Christ unto salvation. A person that believes the bible constantly shows can not continue to live the same way they did before they came to Christ.
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And what does the "fruit" of apostasy mean?
 
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notuptome said:
More red herrings. People do not fall away because of deception or hardship. those whom Christ has embraced and taken as His own can never become separated from Him. You see I may place my hand is His but He never lets me go. He is faithful even when I stumble and fall. He lifts me up and restores me every time I fall.

The butterfly can never go back to being a caterpillar. The change from sinner to saint is not reversible.

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Oh don't worry as he will find out one day when he stands before the Lord and tries to quote Barnabas, Thomas, Polycarp and others to justify his own gospel....but Lord they all taught you can lose salvation and I had to do all of the wonderous works while not sinning, because I only occasionally messed up......but Lord your eternal and once for all sacrifice for sin was not effective enough even though you stood making continual intercession for all believers....but Lord even though the bible teaches justification and eternal sanctification I didn't believe it because some of the early church fathers didn't believe it....I am sorry Jesus even though the bible teaches that grace much more abounds where there is sin I didn't believe it because my pastor didn't believe it.....Jesus said it best....you will receive a man that comes in his own name........!
 
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Elin said:
The apostle Peter's hypocritical actions portrayed a false gospel.

When it comes from an apostle, that amounts to false teaching.
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they can't accept that peter made such a grave sin, for the men they hold up as supporting their view could never have made such a grave error. they would lose salvation.
 
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Elin said:
The apostle Peter's hypocritical actions portrayed a false gospel.

When it comes from an apostle, that amounts to false teaching.
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AMEN to that....he quotes Barnabas while being oblivious to the fact that Barnabas and Paul had a falling out over John Mark at one point and went separate ways.....Paul being inspired and Barnabas NOT...I think I will go with Paul over BARNABAS....
 
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notuptome said:
More red herrings. People do not fall away because of deception or hardship. those whom Christ has embraced and taken as His own can never become separated from Him. You see I may place my hand is His but He never lets me go. He is faithful even when I stumble and fall. He lifts me up and restores me every time I fall.

The butterfly can never go back to being a caterpillar. The change from sinner to saint is not reversible.

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You then just did away with a number of scriptures in the bible by that statement, and one being the the parable of the sower and the seed by the Lord. There are a number of scriptures that say people fall away do to being deceived by false teaching and hardships. The books of Galatians and Jude are two of them, and James gives other examples.




Elin said:
Peter's hyprocritical actions demonstrated a false gospel.

That is false teaching.
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No, once again as I know plenty of people who believe in the Lord but show and improper attitude.
Teaching the true word and showing a wrongful attitude towards others is not teaching a false gospel. That just means that in actions Peter was not following the gospel he taught. He taught truthfully but because he worried about how others think his actions showed wrongful action. Apostle Paul straightened him out on the improper behavior, and not on an improper teaching of the word.
To many to this day do the same, they say they have belief but their actions do not show it.
We are called to correct them in their actions toward others as Paul did to Peter, but when we do this same standard to others now days they think we are being judgmental and will not listen. Peter listened to Paul and corrected his behavior, just like we all need to do.

Our actions have to match our faith in the Lord !!!
 
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The apostle Peter's hypocritical actions portrayed a false gospel.

When it comes from an apostle, that amounts to false teaching.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
Do we have to go round and round on this when I have shown and explained it many times???
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What that you use books outside the bible. and I called you out on it, and you called me a liar?

Are you still going to deny that?


Apostle Barnabas is clearly mentioned in the bible as a true Apostle, which means he had to have been Spirit lead.
Second Polycarp learned under and taught side by side with the Apostle John, so if the Apostle John acknowledged him then he to had to be Holy Spirit lead as well.
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So Barnabas was what 200 years old when he wrote his book?


If we go and through their writings away then you might as well as do that with all the NT, because all of the NT scriptures we have were written by men inspired by God (Lead by the Holy Spirit). It amazes me how people want to say this handful we have writings of in the bible are true Apostles, but then want to discredit the rest of the true Apostles.
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God said scripture was the inspired word of God. Holy Spirit led.

He did not say the gospel if barnabus or any other book outside the word of God was inspired. If he wanted it to be inspired, he would had it included in the canoon of scripture.

Your no better than the jews, who used all the writings of the laws post captivity, and held them as equal to scripture. And God led.

Aint it funny how satan gets us to make the same mistakes over and over and over.
 
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