Hebrews 6:1-6

[kennethcadwell]

I

repeat.

Gods word does not recognize the words your quoting to be from the man you call barnabas...or the inspired word of God.

end of story!

I don't trust that it was written in 70 Ad. 130 AD or when it was supposedly written or by who.

Because of the above statement.

The Holy Spirit did not lead you to those writings, He would NEVER lead you to words outside his given word.

The HS did not spend 2000 years inspiring men to make the book we call the bible to leave it incomplete. and be forced to lead other men to write inspired words outside of scripture, and tell us to search them for truth. He is not as stupid as you want to make him to be.

again I sound like I am arguing with a catholic. they use the same lines, You have been tricked into catholicism, you may have left. but you are still influenced by them

1 Thessalonians 2:4

but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts.


God's word says that were inspired, chosen, and trusted to give the gospel of Christ !!!
Keep calling them uninspired or false teachers if you like, but I will not as His own word says He choose them!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

That is truth in these scriptures and you will not find me doing evil, so keep up agreeing with those who are showing fruits of the flesh toward me and not fruits of the Spirit if that is what you wish. Because I have done nothing but show love and Gods words to these people, and Dcon and E.G. have done nothing but make false allegations and say lies about me to others.
So who is doing the true will of God, the one who shows love through His word, or the ones who show belittling, demeaning, and false witnessing on another???

Poor KEN.....look all we have done is take what you say, show the contradictions and correct your error.....we are sorry that you have no ability to see the truth and misapply what we do and then attribute to us things not true...love and truth go hand in hand...we prove our love for you based upon whet we tell you...maybe you should not read in attitude...and to say we have lied about you is nothing more than a false allegation....your words are there for all to see....so....go back, read and be honest and you will see we have spoken the truth about what you are propagating...........!

 

[oldhermit]

You mean like the brother who sinned against me in luke 14.

Yes I do know what the aorist tense means, I also know it is used in many places as an "if" statement that may or may not be true (as I showed in like 17)



i think it means as paul said, our works will be tried, and even if all ouw work is burned (wood hay straw) he himself will still be saved, as though escaping through the fire (imagine a man whose house is on fire, and he runs through the flame to get out of the house naked He gets out naked, but he is still saved)

and that would be supported by the rest of hebrews 6.

Haven't time to respond right now. I will be back later this evening.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

you will not find me doing evil,

There you go with twisting and using word play,

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Ken,

Two questions:

1) I know that Lot's wife was turned to salt; but where does it say that Barnabas was lead.

The weights on my fishing line are truly lead.

2) Where dies the Bible call Barnabas an apostle?

Do I have to repeat this again as I have given the scripture 3 times now;

Acts 14:14

But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out

 

[kennethcadwell]

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

You know just as well that everybody has sinned, and I am not speaking in pride as I put others before myself which is why I am so constant with the warnings about how we are not to act.
People can take this as judgment all they want but Jesus and Paul both constantly said how we can and can not act in the faith. I admit that I sinned and I admit that I mess up from time to time by sinning again, but do I let it control my life and do I sin everyday? No, because that would be a clear sign of denying the Holy Spirit's guidance and working in a person to change them. You can not continue to walk the same way as you did before you came to Christ, or that shows no working of the Holy Spirit.
A well misused chapter in the bible is Romans 7 where Paul says he was walking carnally minded and held under the law. People take that and say we can continue to walk that way, but Paul clearly shows in Romans 8 that we can not as that way leads to spiritual death (not physical death in the flesh). He says only those who are in Christ that walk by the Spirit there is no condemnation. If you continue or return to walking by the flesh the bible says you are still under the law, and because of Christ sacrifice there no longer remains another sacrifice for those sins but a fearful expectation that if you continue in that way you will face judgment and the lake of fire........This is what it says in Hebrews, and not that if a person falls away they can no longer come back in repentance. It shows that those who do not repent of their ways are doing the wrong to themselves....

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell

you will not find me doing evil,

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell

There you go with twisting and using word play,




Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

You bare false witness Kenny....... REPENT!

 

[blue_ladybug]

EVERYBODY SINS..EVEN CHRISTIANS.. #truth

 

[MarcR]

Don't get ridiculous now because I can say the same thing back to you, how do you know the Epistle of Barnabas was written in 130 AD? You were not there either and see it personally written, so to use that is going with that straw man debate I see others constantly brought up. For you can not prove your stance either as you were told that date by men.

I trust what was said there is truth because the Holy Spirit guided me there, and the Spirit is not going to guide us into a lie. We are not in the business as born again Christians to deny the Holy Spirits direction, we have to have faith and trust in what He tells us in which I do !!!

Neither were any of the books we have in the bible to this day tell the Nicene council put them together and made them the canon we have. You do realize that all of these writings we have now were written well before the bible was even put together ???

Apostle Barnabas was inspired and chosen by God, so was Timothy and Silvanus as Apostle Paul clearly said in 1 Thessalonians 2:4. But why do we not have their writings, I mean come on people use common sense as the bible says they were chosen by God yet we do not have their writings in the bible.
There was other reasons they left books out besides just they weren't inspired !!!!

(2:4) but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts.

1 Th 2:3-4
3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile:
4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
KJV


I see NO MENTION OF BARNABAS OR TIMOTHY OR SILVANUS.


1 Th 1:1
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

Here Paul mentions Timothy and Silvanus; but does NOT mention Barnabas or apostleship.

When you cite Scripture; you should first read the Scripture you are citing unless you enjoy being embarrassed.

 

[valiant]

The brother of John was martyred early. and James, the brother of Jesus was a leader of the Jerusalem church; but NOT an apostle.

Then how do you explain - 'but other of the Apostles I saw none, EXCEPT James the Lord's brother'?

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

EVERYBODY SINS..EVEN CHRISTIANS.. #truth

Amen blue, without Christ, ......we would all be dead men!

 

[kennethcadwell]

Poor KEN.....look all we have done is take what you say, show the contradictions and correct your error.....we are sorry that you have no ability to see the truth and misapply what we do and then attribute to us things not true...love and truth go hand in hand...we prove our love for you based upon whet we tell you...maybe you should not read in attitude...and to say we have lied about you is nothing more than a false allegation....your words are there for all to see....so....go back, read and be honest and you will see we have spoken the truth about what you are propagating...........!

Wrong as I have called you and E.G. out numerous times on stating things that are false about me.

How many times have you claimed that I preach a works to earn salvation gospel, or say trust in your works to me?

Countless times you have done that to me as well as others who have constantly refuted and asked you to please stop. I even have called you out a few months ago for going as far as making condemning remarks toward me, and asked you for an apology. Did I get one from you? No I did not, and you did get better these past couple weeks and I even complimented you and praised God for this.

I do read and I go by prayer to God for His knowledge to be given me by the Holy Spirit when I have questions, and He always answers me with His word and also sends me to other sources as well just like He did to those in the bible. He sent some of them in the bible to others for instruction and understanding, and He still does it today.

What you guys do is falsely use how rebuking is intended to be done, and never have I seen the esteeming side come in after that. The bible says after you have rebuked a person with His word, and not your knowledge, then you are to esteem them through love and by His word. You do the first but have forgot about the following steps.
Saying you lied about me is not a false allegation when it is a true statement, and others have called you and a few others out on this treatment of others. Yet you few still think you are doing nothing wrong even though others have called you out for your behavior. Just like Paul called out Peter for his misbehavior toward the Gentile believers when Jewish believers were present. You all seem to do the same, by yourself or two of you, you are kind of fine, but when 3 or more of you are in the same blog together you act like a pack of wolves attacking on others. Such a manner the bible is completely against!!!

 

[Jimbone]

Wow this has got tobe the most fruitless, pointless conversation, and one of the biggest waste of everyone’stime I've seen on this site in a while. There are 2 groups of people here thatseem to get off on spewing venom at each other. Should not a Christian havedusted his sandals off by now? Is being ugly towards each other glorifying Hisname at all? I think it's pretty clear that everyone knows each other’s opinionand stance right? So what’s the point of just fighting back and forth to makeus look as crazy and disjointed as the world says we are.

You know what I think is the saddest part? It’sthat the Christians unnatural love towards each other was one of the thingsthat turned this world upside down and changed EVERYTHING in the beginning. TheLOVE between us “brothers”. I do not sense any love at all here, and to behonest I’m almost embarrassed by some of your self-righteous, and “know-it-all,I’m right and you’re wrong” comments. I will pray y’all get it sorted out andfind the peace and compassion to be able to respect each other and come to somekind of understanding and common ground. I don’t mean that by compromising youown beliefs, but just the understanding of exactly what the other side means. Tobe honest I think both sides on the same page for the most part, but end up talkingright past each other in anger and pride. I’ve found myself doing the samething before and include myself in everything I’m saying. I just really feelthis is not a good way to represent Christ and felt lead to point it out.

I love y’all.

 

[kennethcadwell]

1 Th 2:3-4
3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile:
4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
KJV


I see NO MENTION OF BARNABAS OR TIMOTHY OR SILVANUS.


1 Th 1:1
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

Here Paul mentions Timothy and Silvanus; but does NOT mention Barnabas or apostleship.

When you cite Scripture; you should first read the Scripture you are citing unless you enjoy being embarrassed.

Please stop ignoring scripture I have shown you.

Acts 14:14 says Barnabas is an Apostle, and 1 Thessalonians 2:6 calls Paul, Timothy, and Silvanus Apostles..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wrong as I have called you and E.G. out numerous times on stating things that are false about me.

How many times have you claimed that I preach a works to earn salvation gospel, or say trust in your works to me?

And we will keep saying it as long as you

1. Continue to say your salvation is kept only when YOU do works (saying it is from the spirit does not matter, it is still a work)
2. Salvation can be lost if YOU do not keep up those works
3. Salvation can be lost if YOU do not keep from falling in sin

Until then, you can deny you teach works all you want, we will expose it for what it is

 

[dcontroversal]

Wrong as I have called you and E.G. out numerous times on stating things that are false about me.

How many times have you claimed that I preach a works to earn salvation gospel, or say trust in your works to me?

Countless times you have done that to me as well as others who have constantly refuted and asked you to please stop. I even have called you out a few months ago for going as far as making condemning remarks toward me, and asked you for an apology. Did I get one from you? No I did not, and you did get better these past couple weeks and I even complimented you and praised God for this.

I do read and I go by prayer to God for His knowledge to be given me by the Holy Spirit when I have questions, and He always answers me with His word and also sends me to other sources as well just like He did to those in the bible. He sent some of them in the bible to others for instruction and understanding, and He still does it today.

What you guys do is falsely use how rebuking is intended to be done, and never have I seen the esteeming side come in after that. The bible says after you have rebuked a person with His word, and not your knowledge, then you are to esteem them through love and by His word. You do the first but have forgot about the following steps.
Saying you lied about me is not a false allegation when it is a true statement, and others have called you and a few others out on this treatment of others. Yet you few still think you are doing nothing wrong even though others have called you out for your behavior. Just like Paul called out Peter for his misbehavior toward the Gentile believers when Jewish believers were present. You all seem to do the same, by yourself or two of you, you are kind of fine, but when 3 or more of you are in the same blog together you act like a pack of wolves attacking on others. Such a manner the bible is completely against!!!

Kenneth, I have nothing against you personally other than what you teach....

1. If one can lose salvation then by default one must do something to keep it, earn it back and or facilitate it...be default that is a works based salvation.
2. The canon of scriptures includes exactly the men who were inspired....to say that someone else was inspired is contrary period.
3. What you say that we have done is exactly what you and your buddies have done when the coin is on the other side...

Believe what you will.....if you want to believe that men outside the bible were inspired...have a ball...if you want to believe you can lose salvation and have to do something to keep it or earn it back...have a ball....the bible does not teach those two things......so...believe what you will......we will all find out real soon who held the truth and who did not......eternity is at stake...good luck with your view which contradicts the scripture! Can you say done!

 

[MarcR]

Then how do you explain - 'but other of the Apostles I saw none, EXCEPT James the Lord's brother'?

Both the Hebrew achiy and the Greek adelphos can mean either brother or close kinsman i.e. cousin.

James, the son of Alpheus, whose mother was Mary's sister, was Jesus cousin (adelphus) and was one of the eleven.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Wow this has got tobe the most fruitless, pointless conversation, and one of the biggest waste of everyone’stime I've seen on this site in a while. There are 2 groups of people here thatseem to get off on spewing venom at each other. Should not a Christian havedusted his sandals off by now? Is being ugly towards each other glorifying Hisname at all? I think it's pretty clear that everyone knows each other’s opinionand stance right? So what’s the point of just fighting back and forth to makeus look as crazy and disjointed as the world says we are.

You know what I think is the saddest part? It’sthat the Christians unnatural love towards each other was one of the thingsthat turned this world upside down and changed EVERYTHING in the beginning. TheLOVE between us “brothers”. I do not sense any love at all here, and to behonest I’m almost embarrassed by some of your self-righteous, and “know-it-all,I’m right and you’re wrong” comments. I will pray y’all get it sorted out andfind the peace and compassion to be able to respect each other and come to somekind of understanding and common ground. I don’t mean that by compromising youown beliefs, but just the understanding of exactly what the other side means. Tobe honest I think both sides on the same page for the most part, but end up talkingright past each other in anger and pride. I’ve found myself doing the samething before and include myself in everything I’m saying. I just really feelthis is not a good way to represent Christ and felt lead to point it out.

I love y’all.

You are absolutely right in what you say here, as I should just walk away from this spewing of an unloving attitude they have towards others. How many times does a person have to ask for others to please stop and see no change in their behavior. I don't like doing it but I guess it is time to put some on ignore again because of their hate doctrine that they do not think they are doing......


God bless you brother

 

[dcontroversal]

Wow this has got tobe the most fruitless, pointless conversation, and one of the biggest waste of everyone’stime I've seen on this site in a while. There are 2 groups of people here thatseem to get off on spewing venom at each other. Should not a Christian havedusted his sandals off by now? Is being ugly towards each other glorifying Hisname at all? I think it's pretty clear that everyone knows each other’s opinionand stance right? So what’s the point of just fighting back and forth to makeus look as crazy and disjointed as the world says we are.

You know what I think is the saddest part? It’sthat the Christians unnatural love towards each other was one of the thingsthat turned this world upside down and changed EVERYTHING in the beginning. TheLOVE between us “brothers”. I do not sense any love at all here, and to behonest I’m almost embarrassed by some of your self-righteous, and “know-it-all,I’m right and you’re wrong” comments. I will pray y’all get it sorted out andfind the peace and compassion to be able to respect each other and come to somekind of understanding and common ground. I don’t mean that by compromising youown beliefs, but just the understanding of exactly what the other side means. Tobe honest I think both sides on the same page for the most part, but end up talkingright past each other in anger and pride. I’ve found myself doing the samething before and include myself in everything I’m saying. I just really feelthis is not a good way to represent Christ and felt lead to point it out.

I love y’all.

Didn't realize you could judge motive bro.......

 

[dcontroversal]

You are absolutely right in what you say here, as I should just walk away from this spewing of an unloving attitude they have towards others. How many times does a person have to ask for others to please stop and see no change in their behavior. I don't like doing it but I guess it is time to put some on ignore again because of their hate doctrine that they do not think they are doing......


God bless you brother

So far from the truth and accusatory......it is called making a stand on the truth......I suppose Jesus was hating when he called the Pharisees white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men or maybe John the Baptist when he called the Pharisees a bunch of snakes in the grass......Ken you should really grow some skin and not be so easily offended.......!