I am a Seventh Day Adventist, Ask Me.

[keeth]

As I said the scriptures judge these false prophets and teachers in very harsh terms...I uphold the scriptures and their judgment against these wicked people.

If you do so falsely, then you are the wicked person.

 

[keeth]

I don't think your seeing the point or truth in those passages..false lying spirits was from Ahab...not God!

And why would I read this womans books...I have Gods word ? I have not read a lot of stuff I know is false.

Finally an admission of the truth. It is as I have said and suspected. You are an ignorant man presenting the accusations of others as your own, since you do not have enough knowledge to make your own.

 

[jduck1986]

Seventh Day adventists believe in annihilation? Could you explain that? Are both the righteous and the wicked resurrected? and if the wicked are resurrected why are they resurrected to just be destroyed again?

 

[john832]

Seventh Day adventists believe in annihilation? Could you explain that? Are both the righteous and the wicked resurrected? and if the wicked are resurrected why are they resurrected to just be destroyed again?

Because the first death...

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Is not the wages of sin. The wages of sin is eternal death...

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[john832]

When my children fail what kind of a dad would I be if I withdrew my love from them and kicked them to the curb? Sometimes when I see their dirty little mischievous faces I see how God looks on me.p

When your children do something wrong, what kind of dad would you be if you did not teach them right from wrong? Do you withhold privileges and punish if they do wrong? Or do you reward them for wrong doing? Now expand that to a spiritual level.

 

[john832]

Hi JesusLives,

Please read my post #716 again. I said that our physical body sins, and that it is already dead (by faith) because of its sin, Rom 8:10. No Christian is perfect in behavior. But our failings are not sin that can be charged against us, as Rom 8:33, 1Pet 4:1, and 1John 3:9 confirm.

The charge of sin applies to those who remain under the jurisdiction of the law (Rom 3:19). Such reject Christ and the righteousness, holiness, sinlessness that we have in him. And any who follow false, lukewarm doctrines that mix works of the law, with grace, such only bring themselves back under the law and condemnation. You cannot mix works with grace, Rom 11:6.

Well that is an interesting thought, my body commits murder but I have not sinned?

MBFM

 

[jduck1986]

sorry I dont understand your posts john832..please explain more clearly. are you saying there is a resurrection for the wicked?

 

[john832]

sorry I dont understand your posts john832..please explain more clearly. are you saying there is a resurrection for the wicked?

Nope, I am not saying that, John said it...

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[JesusLives]

Anyone who knows any Adventists as family or friends all know how imperfect their behavior/lifestyle is. In spite of their teaching on obedience to the law all Adventists fail to keep the commandments.

Jesus said "go and sin no more", yet Adventists continue in sin.

Why?

Gal 2:18
For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/Sinner

Christians, however, have ceased from sin, as Jesus commanded.

1Pet 4:1
Therefore, since Christ suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind (our old man crucified with him, Rom 6:6), for he who has suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) has ceased from sin

1John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect?

Once we receive Jesus we have ceased from sin as our life is hid with Christ in God (Col 3:3).
Our old physical body that sins is already dead (by faith, crucified with Christ Rom 6:6, 1Pet 4:1) because of sin, Rom 8:10.
Our faith is counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5).

So then why did Paul say I do that which I don't want to do and don't do that what I should do? I have given my heart to God and when I mess up which I do just like Paul said I ask God to forgive me and help me to turn away from sinning. But I still fall every now and then and glad Jesus is my Savior. The law doesn't save me Jesus Saves.

 

[michael56]

Anyone who knows any Adventists as family or friends all know how imperfect their behavior/lifestyle is. In spite of their teaching on obedience to the law all Adventists fail to keep the commandments.

Jesus said "go and sin no more", yet Adventists continue in sin.

Why?

Gal 2:18
For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/Sinner

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Stressing legalistic law always results in failure to do what you claim must be done

 

[john832]

So then why did Paul say I do that which I don't want to do and don't do that what I should do? I have given my heart to God and when I mess up which I do just like Paul said I ask God to forgive me and help me to turn away from sinning. But I still fall every now and then and glad Jesus is my Savior. The law doesn't save me Jesus Saves.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JesusLives again.

 

[Marian29]

The Seventh Day Adventist, hmmmmmmmmm.

Do Seventh Day Adventist still follow the demented teachings of Ellen G White?

Is Jesus God the Son of God, seated at the right hand of God. The Seventh Day Adventist teach that Jesus is Micheal the Arch Angel.

I say Jesus is the Son of God, seated at the right hand of the Father.

Do Seventh Day Adventist believe that every one who worships God on a Sunday are in error and deceived?

Do Seventh Day Adventists believe that they alone are the one true church and everyone else in error and dammed?

The list goes on, on and on about the flaws within this denomination. Run a quick google search of Ellen G White and the Seventh Day Adventist and you will see what I mean. If Mister Ray Charles were still alive today, even he could see it.

I wouldn't say they were demented teachings, once we all can try the spirit whether they are of God (1 John 4), we also shouldn't trust always in what internet says, there are lots of lies... there is not a perfect religion building, with only perfect people, I wouldn't use a blind man even if they were alive, to make fun of him and of others. That's sad.

 

[haz]

So then why did Paul say I do that which I don't want to do and don't do that what I should do? I have given my heart to God and when I mess up which I do just like Paul said I ask God to forgive me and help me to turn away from sinning. But I still fall every now and then and glad Jesus is my Savior. The law doesn't save me Jesus Saves.

According to your fellow Adventist, gotime, the righteous do righteousness ( gotime means righteousness by PERFECT obedience to the law).
Yet you and other Adventists like you admit you fail to do righteousness.

When I said to gotime that he also had suggested that the righteous do unrighteousness, as you claim you do, he never answered for his contradiction.

so which is it? Do Adventists do righteousness (as in PERFECT obedience to the law of righteousness) as gotime suggests from 1John 3:7, or do they not do righteousness as you claim, and gotime inadvertently admitted to in contradiction to his claim that the righteous do righteousness?

 

[TMS]

When I said to gotime that he also had suggested that the righteous do unrighteousness, as you claim you do, he never answered for his contradiction.

so which is it? Do Adventists do righteousness (as in PERFECT obedience to the law of righteousness) as gotime suggests from 1John 3:7, or do they not do righteousness as you claim, and gotime inadvertently admitted to in contradiction to his claim that the righteous do righteousness?[/QUOTE]
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I think you are twisting what gotime is saying
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Does anyone do/live perfectly righteously? Does anyone perfectly obey the law? If you say yes you are deceiving yourself. He that is without sin, cast the first stone, 1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
But this does not mean we can't be righteous before God.
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Our righteousness is not found in our works or in our actions it is found in Christ.
Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Just because Christ covers our sins with His righteousness does not mean we shouldn't aim and strive to perfectly keep the righteous requirements of the law.
If we love Jesus we should try to keep His commandments (His righteous perfect commandments).

 

[michael56]

When I said to gotime that he also had suggested that the righteous do unrighteousness, as you claim you do, he never answered for his contradiction.

so which is it? Do Adventists do righteousness (as in PERFECT obedience to the law of righteousness) as gotime suggests from 1John 3:7, or do they not do righteousness as you claim, and gotime inadvertently admitted to in contradiction to his claim that the righteous do righteousness?

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I think you are twisting what gotime is saying
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Does anyone do/live perfectly righteously? Does anyone perfectly obey the law? If you say yes you are deceiving yourself. He that is without sin, cast the first stone, 1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
But this does not mean we can't be righteous before God.
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Our righteousness is not found in our works or in our actions it is found in Christ.
Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Just because Christ covers our sins with His righteousness does not mean we shouldn't aim and strive to perfectly keep the righteous requirements of the law.
If we love Jesus we should try to keep His commandments (His righteous perfect commandments).[/QUOTE]


Gotime has stated he is not aware that he commits sin. He believes it is possible to live a sinless life on this earth, I can assure you that is the truth.
If we love Jesus and know the truth, we should look away from ourselves and to our Saviour, trusting him to bring about the changes needed in our life. We realise in and of ourselves we can do nothing. We rely on Christ and the sanctification ogf the Holy Spirit to live an evermore Holy life. The emphasis should not be on what we can do, but what God can and wil do in us through faith in His Son and total reliance on the Holy Spirit

 

[TMS]

Michael56
i agree that we can be like Christ, i can't live a sinless life, but Christ can and if Christ is living in me then His perfect life will be done in me.
Heb_10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
By looking at and knowing Christ we are transformed (Not all at once) and the more we come to His feet the more we know Him the more we will be transformed into His image, obedience to the law in heart and mind.

 

[haz]

When I said to gotime that he also had suggested that the righteous do unrighteousness, as you claim you do, he never answered for his contradiction.

so which is it? Do Adventists do righteousness (as in PERFECT obedience to the law of righteousness) as gotime suggests from 1John 3:7, or do they not do righteousness as you claim, and gotime inadvertently admitted to in contradiction to his claim that the righteous do righteousness?....-------
I think you are twisting what gotime is saying
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Does anyone do/live perfectly righteously? Does anyone perfectly obey the law? If you say yes you are deceiving yourself.

As Michael said in his post, gotime claims that he is not aware that he sins now. He claims that he understands that he now lives a sinless life, or in other words doing righteousness.

But then when he spoke about Christians still being righteous whilst doing bad things, that's when I questioned his claim about the righteous do righteousness. At that point gotime seemed to have left the forum, so I never got an explanation for his apparent contradiction.

But this does not mean we can't be righteous before God.

I agree.
A Christians faith is counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5) and this is the only way we'll be deemed as righteous as none of us is physically perfect.

Just because Christ covers our sins with His righteousness does not mean we shouldn't aim and strive to perfectly keep the righteous requirements of the law.
If we love Jesus we should try to keep His commandments (His righteous perfect commandments).

Christians should show an improvement in behaviour as we love one another. But the fact is that in this physical world with all it's flaws, misunderstanding, etc, we do offend each other, etc. Thus we show the same love/grace to one another as God showed to us. That is we forgive 7x70.

But now we get to the issue of the law that Adventists measure a Christian's righteousness by. Most Christians do not and never will keep the Sabbath as Adventists claim we must. Are you saying we're unrighteousness when we do not keep the Sabbath?

 

[TMS]

As Michael said in his post, gotime claims that he is not aware that he sins now. He claims that he understands that he now lives a sinless life, or in other words doing righteousness.

But then when he spoke about Christians still being righteous whilst doing bad things, that's when I questioned his claim about the righteous do righteousness. At that point gotime seemed to have left the forum, so I never got an explanation for his apparent contradiction.




I agree.
A Christians faith is counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5) and this is the only way we'll be deemed as righteous as none of us is physically perfect.




Christians should show an improvement in behaviour as we love one another. But the fact is that in this physical world with all it's flaws, misunderstanding, etc, we do offend each other, etc. Thus we show the same love/grace to one another as God showed to us. That is we forgive 7x70.

But now we get to the issue of the law that Adventists measure a Christian's righteousness by. Most Christians do not and never will keep the Sabbath as Adventists claim we must. Are you saying we're unrighteousness when we do not keep the Sabbath?

God not Adventist's measure righteousness by the law.
Rom_7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom_2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 8:3-4 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



The Law is the righteous standard that we all fail to keep but Christ obeyed the law perfectly and by faith in Him we gain Christ's righteousness. I am not judge so i can't say who is or isn't saved, i just know Christ is our advocate and will represent those that believe.
1Jn_2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Are you saying we're unrighteousness when we do not keep the Sabbath? I believe we are unrighteous when we transgress the law of God, when we sin, Adam became naked when he sinned. So the question should be, do you believe not keeping the Sabbath is a sin? To this i say for myself yes, for someone that doesn't know any different, God will judge their hearts.
As the verse below states, Sin is Sin, but if we don't know it's a sin (are ignorant), the priest (Christ) will make atonement for them.

Num 15:28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. Num 15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
The law is like a mirror, when we look into a mirror it tells us what we look like, If we have dirt on our face (we may not know it or feel it), the mirror reveals it clearly. The mirror can't clean us, and the law can't clean us of sin we can only be cleaned by water and soap or by Christ and His forgiveness. The Law does not clean us of Sin just reveals our need to be cleaned.

 

[fredjames]

Hi, as I said I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The only reason this question answer post is here is because I have seen many people throw things at my Faith without really knowing what we believe.

So I will be answering any Bible questions you have if I can. Repeat BIBLE questions. Everything I believe and that my Church teaches is firmly based in Scripture and no where else.

Now I have a lot on my plate so please be patient with me. This post is not designed to argue but rather help those who wish to better understand our position. You do not have to agree with me in any way. I will however be using the bible to answer any questions. so if you need to discuss anything with me about a topic that you think I am wrong in then feel free. but use your Bible. I will not pay any heed to those who come in here and rant on their soap box without scripture to back them up.

In other words, lets be Christian about this. I have no need nor want to put others down. and will not respond to put downs and unchristian behaviour.

One other thing. I am a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor, and one thing I have learnt is that most Professed Seventh Day Adventists do not know what we actually believe. Why do I say this? Because While you may have read things about us and done some study. chances are, you don't understand half as much about our teaching as you think you do.

I do not pretend to know everything about how other faiths believe even though I used to be a pentecostal. I am not ignorant enough to think that I know them because I once was one. so please afford me the same respect.

That being said, May God bless us all as we draw closer to Him in truth and in Spirit.

Why do you bring up this 'issue' of 'denominations' and want to 'defend' yours? Will it make a difference that yours is 'just' to be in the 'top ten' or higher than them?

In order to stop you from carrying on mistakenly 'boasting' about your 'denomination' or from one, please as 'an unworthy friend', let me remind you that in the book of Revelation the churches didn't go by any of these fancy names created of denomination today and witnessing themselves to others, though over the years these we have 'adopted' through 'men', 'counterfeits' in churches and given a 'position'.

The book of Revelation 'listed' churches by CHRIST went by only 'one' name, since being together as 'one' mentored from the beginning by the Apostles, and wherever they were, they went by the 'one' name, 'Church/Body of CHRIST'. If anyone wants to know about a certain church or even want to go there, an address and of that 'region' is mentioned.

Please allow us 'witnesses', to distinguish you as who you are in the Church/Body of CHRIST and rather not through men made 'denomination', for that would be 'continuing' in 'childishness', as still remain as 'babes in CHRIST' and in 'divisions'.

'Divisions' in the lack of Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE and also 'abiding' according to them, is the results to many 'denominations'. Even in a 'cooperate' meetings between them gathered together, sadly they still disagree with one another about matters.

Each of them are 'unable' to let their 'guard down', towards one another or even others 'truthfully' speak up for GOD. They just do not want to be 'thrown out' from the 'Church council'. 'Many of them have become men pleases, rather that GOD pleases'.

As it is written and said by CHRIST to HIS redeemed people that;

"I did not come to judge but even if I judge, I judge with just and fair."

Please for now, continue to attend the 'denomination' that you are in, for you are no better than others, but therefore 'witness' now and henceforth in 'discussion' in a 'renewed thinking' mannered person, for CHRIST, even to 'lay down' one's life for another, even who is in 'ignorance' and become GOD pleases and not men pleases instead, according to the 'AGAPE' acts of the New Covenant.

This is the 'outpouring' of the HOLY SPIRIT, whom we are 'grieving', in our remain as 'babes in CHRIST' and 'witnessing', only the elementary works of men, over the 'absent years' of 'abiding' in CHRIST's words/teachings, especially the New Covenant.

Israel did 'neglect' the same and they fell into 'abomination' against the LORD GOD of their 'Covenant'.

Is history repeating itself even in the Kingdom of GOD here on earth, or rather than improvements and excellence in the Church/Body of CHRIST and 'witnessing' with no 'hypocrisy'?

Everyone who may have a complaint against me because of my given duty in 'testifying', then go to CHRIST, and if anyone is therefore 'convicted', then go to CHRIST in all your 'weakness', boldly to the 'Throne of Grace', where a 'mediator' Great High Priest who is able to 'sympathize' on us, and where will also find 'Help'.

Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forgive you and help you and bless you all.

 

[TangerineEarth]

Hi, as I said I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The only reason this question answer post is here is because I have seen many people throw things at my Faith without really knowing what we believe.

So I will be answering any Bible questions you have if I can. Repeat BIBLE questions. Everything I believe and that my Church teaches is firmly based in Scripture and no where else...

The SDA church teaches that when Jesus comes back the second time, he will take us back to heaven where we will spend the millenium with him. Where is that supported in Scripture?

Thank you kindly