Nope. . .
A doctrine "invented" by the prophet 2,600 years ago.
"He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities. . .
the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." (Isa 53:5-6)
"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree." (2Pe 2:24)
"And he is the propitiation (atoning sacrifice) for our sins." (1Jn 2:2)
". . .he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation (atoning sacrifice) for our sins." (1Jn 4:10)
"God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement (propitiation) through faith in his blood (death)."
(Ro 3:25)
Wounding--bruising--death (capital punishment) is penal,
laid on him our sins is substitutionary,
as propitiation is atonement.
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Not a single one of those verses states that Jesus bore the literal punishment you deserved as your substitute.
The iniquity of all was put on Jesus in the sense that He died for the sins of the whole world.
People like you just beat a drum and assert something without any evidence at all. Not only that but you have to throw reason out the window and embrace nonsense.
It is so stupid to believe that a holy and righteous God would literally punish an innocent in order to excuse the guilty. The Bible clearly states...
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And
for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Jesus died in order that the consciences of sinners be purged of their transgressions.
His death has nothing to do with any "sin debt owed" being paid. There is not a single passage anywhere in the Bible which teaches such a thing. Sure one can quote "bore our sins" or "bore our iniquities" but what one cannot quote is "bore our penalty as a substitute rendering it not due anymore." That notion is unbiblical.
Elin, you are a parrot who just repeats the same thing. Like a parrot there is no substance behind the words, it is just rote repetition. A conversation with you is akin to a conversation with a wall.
It is quite astounding that so many people actually believe that God punished a third party in their place thus rendering any wrongdoing they do in future as already "paid for." It is even more astounding that people actually believe that the obedient track record of Jesus is reckoned to their account. Thus these people believe God is actually a great pretender, God is pretending they are righteous whilst they are still manifestly wicked and they also think that God's wrath was satisfied because he took His wrath out on an innocent instead of them.
It is the most asinine and stupid thing to believe.
Anyone can dig into history and see how the different views of the Atonement developed...
Atonement in Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Penal substitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The problem is that many people abide in a comfort zone of their own imagination and to step outside the box, so to speak, would raise too many questions.
If Penal Substitution is taken away from people then what do that have? Suddenly their sin is "not" paid for and a realisation of being fully accountable comes into the equation. Suddenly conduct matters and forgiveness is recognised as being conditional, just like the Bible teaches.
Anyway, I am likely speaking to walls so no need to go on unless someone has a specific question.
