pesach = Passover not Easter = Aster = Ishtar
- Thread starter Apostol2013
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Upon first reading this post, I (formerly known as GraceBeUntoYou) wondered if you were the same person that I encountered on another thread entitled, Codex Vaticanus a Forgery?
I'm not sure if you recollect that conversation specifically, but in it you seek to discredit Codex Vaticanus as a Roman Catholic forgery from which our modern translations are a byproduct, and attempt to elevate the KJV to a position of infallibility.
It's been about two years since our conversation so you may have changed your position on the KJV. However, if you still adhere to KJV-Onlyism then there seems to be a bit of a problem in your argument on this thread. Are you to hold the KJV translators to the same standard (see Acts 12.4, KJV)? Are they also guilty of advancing what you term, "the Vatican's lie"? Are they not idolators? Even more, if the KJV is infallible, what about the author of the Book of Acts?
I'm not sure if you recollect that conversation specifically, but in it you seek to discredit Codex Vaticanus as a Roman Catholic forgery from which our modern translations are a byproduct, and attempt to elevate the KJV to a position of infallibility.
It's been about two years since our conversation so you may have changed your position on the KJV. However, if you still adhere to KJV-Onlyism then there seems to be a bit of a problem in your argument on this thread. Are you to hold the KJV translators to the same standard (see Acts 12.4, KJV)? Are they also guilty of advancing what you term, "the Vatican's lie"? Are they not idolators? Even more, if the KJV is infallible, what about the author of the Book of Acts?
I do not like codec Vaticanus as its author was no more than siomonedes a well born an raised fluent Greek in which he wrote that translation to give as a gift to an important figure of his time but yet Horton and wolf latter found that copy and claimed it as older and authentic there was even an article written on a public newspaper stating this and Horton of which never responded to but one of siomonedes statements was that the even disputed 1 John 5-7 was true this Vatican is our enemy against true believers yet I read many translations as each holds a piece of the puzzle which hyphens wisdom through knowledge and primarily His spirit
You do REALIZE that in Jesus's Day there were those who were TOTALLY Scriptural, studied them daily, YET DIDNT know God.. He was standing right in front of them.. what did they Call Him? ' a sinner born out of fornication, a liar, a worker of devlish miracles' etc... these men were Sound in the Word.. knew it backwards frontwards, but were STILL LOST.. get to KNOW THE LIVING LOGOS, the Word of God.. if ye Know Him. then He lives in you. nothing wrong with being Scripturally sound.. rightly dividing the Word of God.. but just understand.. because one is scripturally sound.. does not make them a Genuine believer, even the devil 'knows' the Word of God.. he knows and trembles.. indeed...
I understand what you're saying and I agree, but I would have to disagree that those men were sound in the word. I believe they were sound in the scripture. But they were more like Jack Van Impe and the like. They memorized scripture and could quote it backward and forward, but they, like Jack didn't understand anything they quoted.
I like the way Jesus put it... he was speaking scripture to them in the verses leading up to verse 43 and they heard the scripture but didn't understand his word because they couldn't hear his word in the scripture. God's word is hidden in the scripture.... it's not for everyone, only for those that belong to him.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word.
I like the way Jesus put it... he was speaking scripture to them in the verses leading up to verse 43 and they heard the scripture but didn't understand his word because they couldn't hear his word in the scripture. God's word is hidden in the scripture.... it's not for everyone, only for those that belong to him.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word.
Passover is mentioned after Jesus rose from the dead. It (He) wasn't superseded by something else.
"Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:" 1 Corinthians 5:7
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Acts 12:4 is the only time the word “Easter” is used in the Bible.
There is no scripture in Acts that has the word “Passover” in it even though the same Greek word is used for all the New Testament terms for both “Easter” and “Passover”.
Strong's 3957 paschapas'-khah of Chaldee origin (compare 6453 Hebrew); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it):--Easter, Passover.
6453 pecach peh'-sakh from 6452; a pretermission, i.e. exemption; used only techically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim):--passover (offering).
Εβραϊκό means Jewish or Hebrew
εβραίος means Jew
εβραϊκό Πάσχα means Passover or Jewish Passover
Πάσχα is wrongly interpreted as Easter
Easter gets its name from pointing ones thoughts to the rising of the sun in the east. In old English it is ēastre ; of Germanic origin and related to German Ostern and east.
Ezekiel 8:16-18
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.
Oestre (Ostara) was the Norse goddess of rebirth and fertility, and her symbol was the Oestre egg. The Christian religion slowly introduced the crucifixion of Jesus during this celebration to make it more acceptable to the masses henceforth we have the word “Easter” in Acts 12:4 that should actually have been translated as “Passover.”
"Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:" 1 Corinthians 5:7
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Acts 12:4 is the only time the word “Easter” is used in the Bible.
There is no scripture in Acts that has the word “Passover” in it even though the same Greek word is used for all the New Testament terms for both “Easter” and “Passover”.
Strong's 3957 paschapas'-khah of Chaldee origin (compare 6453 Hebrew); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it):--Easter, Passover.
6453 pecach peh'-sakh from 6452; a pretermission, i.e. exemption; used only techically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim):--passover (offering).
Εβραϊκό means Jewish or Hebrew
εβραίος means Jew
εβραϊκό Πάσχα means Passover or Jewish Passover
Πάσχα is wrongly interpreted as Easter
Easter gets its name from pointing ones thoughts to the rising of the sun in the east. In old English it is ēastre ; of Germanic origin and related to German Ostern and east.
Ezekiel 8:16-18
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.
Oestre (Ostara) was the Norse goddess of rebirth and fertility, and her symbol was the Oestre egg. The Christian religion slowly introduced the crucifixion of Jesus during this celebration to make it more acceptable to the masses henceforth we have the word “Easter” in Acts 12:4 that should actually have been translated as “Passover.”
Last edited:
There is no new feast for the death burial and resurrection of Christ, that's what the feast of Passover is. Christ is the Passover Lamb, the inerrant word of God is the unleavened bread we eat for 7 days. 7 days is the number of days it takes to bring down the walls of Jericho... 7 days is the time period of the New Testament.
Nothing has changed except the shadow was fulfilled and Christians call it Easter instead of Passover... just like everything that God brings to completeness, it gets a new name.
Trust me just-me if God didn't want Passover to be called Easter, then it wouldn't be called Easter today.
Nothing has changed except the shadow was fulfilled and Christians call it Easter instead of Passover... just like everything that God brings to completeness, it gets a new name.
Trust me just-me if God didn't want Passover to be called Easter, then it wouldn't be called Easter today.
yahweh designed the world and all that is in it, and yahweh scheduled all of our days.
easter he permitted as a test of his true ekklesia - those who fall for the lie of easter / ashtoreth/ etc
are not
perfected in him (either (yet) or (and never will be) ).
there are many many many other things introduced by hasatan through the heresy since before constantine that people today 'accept' if they don't know the truth
and
admittedly as it is written most people never know the truth and willingly refuse to.
easter he permitted as a test of his true ekklesia - those who fall for the lie of easter / ashtoreth/ etc
are not
perfected in him (either (yet) or (and never will be) ).
there are many many many other things introduced by hasatan through the heresy since before constantine that people today 'accept' if they don't know the truth
and
admittedly as it is written most people never know the truth and willingly refuse to.
Easter terminology and observation with hot cross buns, eggs and bunnies, that are Easter oriented, and observed by professing Christians is clearly the doctrine of Balaam.
Revelation 2:12-14
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Revelation 2:12-14
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
I was not aware that eggs and bunnies are 'observed', Eggs are just given as presents with no regard to any significance and are usually made of chocolate. the bunny is just child's fun with no thought of anything else and here is only recent. Hot CROSS buns are simply eaten. Their only read in significance is of the cross. They are not part of Easter worship. I'm sorry but your conclusion is simply absurd. You have a judgmental mind. .
who at Easter eats things sacrificed to idols and commits fornication? Is it the custom in America? you make a mockery of Scripture.
who at Easter eats things sacrificed to idols and commits fornication? Is it the custom in America? you make a mockery of Scripture.
Of course it was. Passover was a picture. Jesus was the fulfilment. Thus Jesus has superseded Passover.
Yes because Jesus is OUR Passover lamb. Passover here is an abbreviation for PASSOVER LAMB.
Easter is a ridiculous translation. The term Easter was not conceived of until hundreds of years after. Of course Herod the king of the Jews would think in terms of Passover. He did not believe in the resurrection.
which rather proves the point that Christians did not observe Passover. In fact outside the Gospels it only occurs three times. Acts 12.4; 1 Cor 5.7 of the Passover lamb as a type and Heb 11. 12
Last edited:
Easter is Passover and Passover is Easter, the words are interchangeable and have been for a long time. Pagans celebrate the fertility goddess. "Paganized Christians" celebrate the death burial and resurrection of Christ and let their kids have fun hunting Easter eggs. "Real Christians" celebrate the death, burial and resurrection and look down their noses at the "Paganized Christians" that Christ died for.
This is pure surmise. what evidence have you that 'Christians slowly introduced the crucifixion of Jesus during this celebration'? NONE AT ALL. You are fantasising. Why should they want to make a pagan feast acceptable to the Masses? The pagan feast was presumably ALREADY acceptable to the masses. What they did do was change the whole perception of the people and fix their thoughts on the cross and resurrection. That way they sought to rid their minds of pagan ideas. And they did it at a different time, the full moon instead of the new moon. it is not even certain that the word 'Easter' comes from that source. The pagan holy day was at the new moon, not after the full moon.
