pesach = Passover not Easter = Aster = Ishtar

[ThomistColin]

Already been argued and discussed elsewhere. But here are the highlights:

A) Easter is only called Easter in the English Speaking World. Everywhere else it is Resurrection Sunday (including the Vatican by the way)

B) Easter has nothing to do with Ishtar. The only goddess it is compared to is an obscure Celt goddess that honestly...might not even exist.

C) Ishtar's symbol was not a rabbit or eggs...they are never used to portray her at all in history.

D) Resurrection Sunday is the anniversary of the Resurrection on the Jewish calendar. No one agrees with the Jewish calendar, not even the Jews. Christians use a very strict version of the Jewish calendar.

 

[AuphirahQueen]

The real biblical term to be used is Passover it is official bible terminology in a way we can all agree upon the Gentiles use Easter because they have bought into the Vatican's lie input into today's day through forced control upon many kingdoms through lies deceit and violence including murder they have changed the laws and times to fit their agenda to world dominance the very bank that is untouchable is the Sweden bank the Vatican's own personal bank but the issue here is it is Passover nog Easter

I do not celebrate Easter(holiday) because ABBA has revealed to me through the Sacred Word that I must be obey to HIM not men traditions. I have no right to judge someone else who celebrate Easter because their heart is pure in worshiping JESUS CHRIST. I am learning to keep the Sabbath/Holy Days because ABBA has revealed that to me so it was my choice to follow ABBA not Adam(man) traditions. If ABBA did not reveal that to them there is no hell for them. Allow the Holy Spirit(Ruach) to reveal truth to others because ABBA will receive the GLORY!

 

[john832]

But as I have shown you the Lord's supper IS a celebration of His resurrection, and it was commanded by Jesus Christ. You simply close your eyes to what does not suit you.

Oh yeah, the Lord's Supper...

1Co 11:20 Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper.

...

Nonsense. As He said to Mary Magdalene 'Touch Me not, I have not yet gone up to My Father'. He had clearly JUST risen in accord with Hosea 6.2. Mary, and then the women, came to the tomb when the first day of the week had already been in process for nearly 12 hours by Jewish reckoning and six by Roman reckoning..



yes and almost twelve hours of the first day of the week have passed.

you destroy your own argument. He would not have delayed presenting the wave sheaf. So He did so half way through the first day of the week which commenced the previous evening.

Oh and I don't suppose He should have spent three days and three nights in the tomb? Why would you say He would not delay the Wave Sheaf, Lev 23 plainly shows that it was offered on the morning after the Sabbath contained in the Days of Unleavened Bread.

By the way, do you have any idea how to count to Pentecost?

LOL you have now destroyed your case utterly. Thank you for saving me the trouble. The resurrection, the chat with Mary, the presenting of HIMSELF to the Father, and the appearance to the disciples all occurred on the first day of the week.

Oh, according to your opinion that occurred. There is no scripture that says He rose on the first day, by the way, show us how to count three days and three nights from Friday sunset to before sunrise on Sunday morning.

You really are the most objectionable person I have come across on this site. And you call yourself John 8.32 'and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.' You are not free. you are entangled in the yoke of bondage and sinfully judgmental of your fellow Christians, assuming of course that you are a Christian .

Yeah, I probably am because I don't just blindly agree with your false doctrines. I believe what the scripture teaches and don't have to come up with opinions to support what I believe.

 

[john832]

Already been argued and discussed elsewhere. But here are the highlights:

A) Easter is only called Easter in the English Speaking World. Everywhere else it is Resurrection Sunday (including the Vatican by the way)

B) Easter has nothing to do with Ishtar. The only goddess it is compared to is an obscure Celt goddess that honestly...might not even exist.

C) Ishtar's symbol was not a rabbit or eggs...they are never used to portray her at all in history.

D) Resurrection Sunday is the anniversary of the Resurrection on the Jewish calendar. No one agrees with the Jewish calendar, not even the Jews. Christians use a very strict version of the Jewish calendar.

Uh, how about some documentation for that. The Hebrew calendar is based on the moon, a new moon is the beginning of the month and there are approximately 29 days 12 hours and 793 parts in a month. The calendar operates on a 19 year time cycle with 7 intercalary years in it.

 

[valiant]

Well, let's see what WAS added...

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
{/quote]

But He did add some more. He added the book of the covenant which expanded on the ten words. Then He added Leviticus. All Moses means is that He did not add any more to the two tablets. The ten words (not commandments) were part of the suzerainty treaty from Exodus 20.2 - 17. It was an abbreviation of the Law (or more correctly The Instruction). Are you suggesting that the rest was less binding? THE TORAH included all five books.

Jer 7:22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.
Jer 7:23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, 'Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.'

And who was He speaking to? Israel.

But actually Jeremiah was wrong if taken literally. God did speak to them of burnt offerings and sacrifices. He had been exhorting them to burnt offerings and sacrifices while the plagues were on. That was their motive for leaving Egypt. He commanded them concerning the Passover sacrifices on the very time they left Egypt. He commanded the redemption of the firstborns (Exod 13.13).

What then did Jeremiah mean? He was simply saying that burnt offerings and sacrifices were not God's primary concern. What was His primary concern was obedience to His will.

Burnt offerings and sacrifices were added.

As I have shown you this was not so. You are just a little careless in your interpretation. You don't THINK.

So, once we are saved there is no need for Law? OK...

Isa 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
Isa 2:2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the LORD's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.
Isa 2:3 Many people shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Note the parallel between the 'instruction' and the 'word of YHWH'. God's instruction went out of Jerusalem when the Apostles and others left Jerusalem to take the Gospel to both Jews and Gentiles. The mountain of YHWH and the house of the God of Jacob refers to the spiritual Jerusalem spoken of in Gal 4.20-30.

I guess Isaiah should have consulted with you before recording this Millennial prophecy.

This prophecy has nothing to do with a future millennium. There will be no future millennium. What is spoken of in Rev 20.4-6 is occurring NOW. You err not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.

 

[valiant]

Oh yeah, the Lord's Supper...

1Co 11:20 Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper.

You have such a simple mind. It is almost touching. What Paul meant was that they should have been coming together to partake of the Lord's Supper but were instead partying and getting drunk. Are you so naïve in daily life?

Oh and I don't suppose He should have spent three days and three nights in the tomb? Why would you say He would not delay the Wave Sheaf, Lev 23 plainly shows that it was offered on the morning after the Sabbath contained in the Days of Unleavened Bread.

You really are a sad case. In fact He did not spend three days and three nights in the tomb. He spent the Sabbath and a part of the third day (the first day of the week) as the Gospels and Hosea 6.2 tell us. It is specifically said that He rose on the third day (1 Cor 15.4). Jesus did in fact not offer a wave sheaf. He presented Himself before the Father immediately after He had risen and talked with Mary.

By the way, do you have any idea how to count to Pentecost?

Were you born stupid or did it come over you gradually?

Oh, according to your opinion that occurred. There is no scripture that says He rose on the first day, by the way, show us how to count three days and three nights from Friday sunset to before sunrise on Sunday morning.

It says that He rose on the third day, the first day of the week. By Jewish reckoning it is easy. Just before Friday sunset was 'the first day and night', the Sabbath was 'the second day and night', the portion of the third day was 'the third day and night'.
It has been proved that the Jews referred to any part of a day as 'a day and a night.' Had that not been so Paul would have been in error to say that Jesus rose on the third day.

Yeah, I probably am because I don't just blindly agree with your false doctrines. I believe what the scripture teaches and don't have to come up with opinions to support what I believe.

Jesus said, 'judge not and you will not be judged'. You will be doubly judged because you pass judgment on Christians. You don't even understand the Scriptures, as I have demonstrated. You are the blind leading the blind.

 

[sparty-g]

Before this thread continues to get out of control, please allow me to jump in quickly:

To those who keep the Lord's Feasts (as do I): Please reconsider what you're doing in this thread. I do not believe it is our position to judge and certainly not to condemn those who do not agree with us. In all my years, I have never seen anyone come to keeping the Lord's Feasts as a result of this manner of approach; it has always been through loving discussion and instruction that edifies a person, not tears one down. If the good word one brings regarding the Lord's Feasts falls on open hearts and ears, then let the Holy Spirit do the rest; but it must be a "good word," not a condemning one. By bringing a condemning word, you are likely shutting their hearts and ears to anything you have to say on the matter. You also make it very difficult for the rest of us since we get lumped together with you and stereotyped as "hateful, useless, sinful legalists." Love will always win, especially with regards to truth; I implore you to try it.

To the others targeted on this thread: Please forgive the manner with which this topic is often approached. One symptom of the Internet seems to be how freely people feel they are able to say mean-spirited things to each other (this goes for all sides and I have myself been guilty of the same). I assure you this is not how these matters are discussed in real life situations outside of the Internet by most of those who keep the Lord's Feasts. I implore you to keep your hearts and ears open on this subject and others, and not let the messengers in this case be the standard by which you judge truth.

To everyone: Regardless of which side of this issue or others we are on, we all have truth to learn on these matters. None of us have it all figured out nor do we walk perfectly in love, but yet we march on toward the goal from grace to grace. Seriously, I'm sitting here choked up as I type this, for the truth of the Lord is destroyed by both sides for everyone involved. This infighting is not what the Messiah died and was raised for. Why can't we (this is the 'royal we' being used here) simply share our personal beliefs in a loving and respectful manner that doesn't result in condemning people to hell if they don't observe what we observe, or calling fellow believers such things as "hateful," "useless to God," "full of sin," "deniers of the cross," etc. if they don't believe what we believe?

 

[dcontroversal]

Before this thread continues to get out of control, please allow me to jump in quickly:

To those who keep the Lord's Feasts (as do I): Please reconsider what you're doing in this thread. I do not believe it is our position to judge and certainly not to condemn those who do not agree with us. In all my years, I have never seen anyone come to keeping the Lord's Feasts as a result of this manner of approach; it has always been through loving discussion and instruction that edifies a person, not tears one down. If the good word one brings regarding the Lord's Feasts falls on open hearts and ears, then let the Holy Spirit do the rest; but it must be a "good word," not a condemning one. By bringing a condemning word, you are likely shutting their hearts and ears to anything you have to say on the matter. You also make it very difficult for the rest of us since we get lumped together with you and stereotyped as "hateful, useless, sinful legalists." Love will always win, especially with regards to truth; I implore you to try it.

To the others targeted on this thread: Please forgive the manner with which this topic is often approached. One symptom of the Internet seems to be how freely people feel they are able to say mean-spirited things to each other (this goes for all sides and I have myself been guilty of the same). I assure you this is not how these matters are discussed in real life situations outside of the Internet by most of those who keep the Lord's Feasts. I implore you to keep your hearts and ears open on this subject and others, and not let the messengers in this case be the standard by which you judge truth.

To everyone: Regardless of which side of this issue or others we are on, we all have truth to learn on these matters. None of us have it all figured out nor do we walk perfectly in love, but yet we march on toward the goal from grace to grace. Seriously, I'm sitting here choked up as I type this, for the truth of the Lord is destroyed by both sides for everyone involved. This infighting is not what the Messiah died and was raised for. Why can't we (this is the 'royal we' being used here) simply share our personal beliefs in a loving and respectful manner that doesn't result in condemning people to hell if they don't observe what we observe, or calling fellow believers such things as "hateful," "useless to God," "full of sin," "deniers of the cross," etc. if they don't believe what we believe?

Blessed are the peace makers for sure.........me personally I don't celebrate it (Easter), but we did simply study the word resurrection as found in John 11:25, Romans 1:4, 6:5, 1st Corinthians, Philippians 3:10-11, Hebrews 6:2, 11:35 and 1st Peter 1:3, 3:21.......without the resurrection of Jesus he would have been just another extremist who died for a cause....! And we would all be doomed!

 

[kodiak]

no. people have been raised for generations with lies and taught to celebrate eastr as if it was pleasing yahweh, but it never , never, never was.

that you all, for generations, were 'celbrating' a pagan holiday is an abomination to yahweh -- just like in the OT whenever Israel put up altars and idols and served other gods - so that's how eastr started and continued - from serving / worshiping other gods, not the one true GOD of Scripture.

if per some miracle of grace, upone which we all must necessarily rely anyway, if by some miracle of grace then
there
is no idolatry and no service of false gods and no injustice , how would you say?..... "in your heart" towards GOD,
then also there will be/ would be/ no resistance to giving up what started as a pagan service/worship long long long long long long long long long long long long ago, (i.e. no fault to y'all today for how it started),

but rather a great freedom from sin and from idolatry and from service originated from false gods,

and a great rejoicing in the one true salvation of yahshua hamashiach in truth and completed originated in him and continued only in him without any adulteration. (eastr is alwyas an adulteration of truth, wittingly or unwittingly, because it started /originated not in nor from yahshua)....

Are you saying that Easter was not created as a way to worship God, therefore it is wrong? I am trying to understand exactly what you are trying to say.

 

[sparty-g]

Blessed are the peace makers for sure.........me personally I don't celebrate it (Easter), but we did simply study the word resurrection as found in John 11:25, Romans 1:4, 6:5, 1st Corinthians, Philippians 3:10-11, Hebrews 6:2, 11:35 and 1st Peter 1:3, 3:21.......without the resurrection of Jesus he would have been just another extremist who died for a cause....! And we would all be doomed!

Amen brother! A website I frequently visit (Hebrew for Christians, Hebrew for Christians - Learn Hebrew for FREE!) posted this to their Facebook page over the weekend (and to this message I say: Amen! Amen! If I had one last dying breath, this is the message of faith, hope, and love that I would preach):

The most important fact of all history - and that which radically transforms everything else - is the resurrection of Yeshua from the dead (תחייתו של משיח). Spiritual life means being awake to the risen reality and saving Presence of Yeshua, the One who Overcame and vanquished the power of death. Without Him we are hopeless; with Him we are more than conquerors (1 Cor. 15:14; Rom. 8:37). The resurrection means Yeshua is forever alive, and that today he hears your heart's cry. He is surely able to help you, and nothing can overthrow his invincible will. Our Lord suffered and died for your inner peace and healing, but now death has no hold over him, and he "ever lives to make intercession for you" (Rom. 6:9, Heb. 7:25). He is your compassionate Advocate (παράκλητος, lit. "one called alongside") who gives you heavenly comfort (1 John 2:1). Even more: The very power that raised Yeshua from the dead now dwells in you (Rom. 8:11). The miracle of new life is "Messiah in you - the hope of glory" (Col. 1:27). The Lord will never leave you nor forsake you (Heb 13:5): He "sticks closer than a brother" (Prov. 18:24); He sustains your way, and he will perfect the work of salvation on your behalf (Jude 1:24). In short, there simply is no "gospel" message apart from the resurrection! The resurrection is the victory of God's plan of salvation - His everlasting vindication over the powers of darkness - for your life.

 

[Jeff_56]

((Kodiak, et al)) it is simple. yahweh did not authorize eastr. yahweh's WORD FORBIDS IT.


"In essence, Christianity has proclaimed as "holy" that which the Bible declares "profane." God once issued a scathing indictment against the priests of Israel because they did the very same thing. Consider the words of the prophet Ezekiel.

Her priests have violated My law, and have profaned Mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from My sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. (Ezek. 22:26)

These words should stand as a powerful reminder that God takes very seriously the way in which He is worshiped. When man takes upon himself the right to determine how he will honor God, he assumes a right that he does not have. God alone will determine what honors or dishonors Him.

Throughout the Bible, God specifically outlines the terms and conditions of His worship. Still, man believes that he has a better way and as a result, has created symbols that define a faith that is abhorrent to God and is condemned in the scriptures."

the truth about easter

 

[lumberjack]

Already been argued and discussed elsewhere. But here are the highlights:

A) Easter is only called Easter in the English Speaking World. Everywhere else it is Resurrection Sunday (including the Vatican by the way)...

Here's it's "Pasen," a name we took from the hebrew "Pesach."

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen brother! A website I frequently visit (Hebrew for Christians, Hebrew for Christians - Learn Hebrew for FREE!) posted this to their Facebook page over the weekend (and to this message I say: Amen! Amen! If I had one last dying breath, this is the message of faith, hope, and love that I would preach):

The most important fact of all history - and that which radically transforms everything else - is the resurrection of Yeshua from the dead (תחייתו של משיח). Spiritual life means being awake to the risen reality and saving Presence of Yeshua, the One who Overcame and vanquished the power of death. Without Him we are hopeless; with Him we are more than conquerors (1 Cor. 15:14; Rom. 8:37). The resurrection means Yeshua is forever alive, and that today he hears your heart's cry. He is surely able to help you, and nothing can overthrow his invincible will. Our Lord suffered and died for your inner peace and healing, but now death has no hold over him, and he "ever lives to make intercession for you" (Rom. 6:9, Heb. 7:25). He is your compassionate Advocate (παράκλητος, lit. "one called alongside") who gives you heavenly comfort (1 John 2:1). Even more: The very power that raised Yeshua from the dead now dwells in you (Rom. 8:11). The miracle of new life is "Messiah in you - the hope of glory" (Col. 1:27). The Lord will never leave you nor forsake you (Heb 13:5): He "sticks closer than a brother" (Prov. 18:24); He sustains your way, and he will perfect the work of salvation on your behalf (Jude 1:24). In short, there simply is no "gospel" message apart from the resurrection! The resurrection is the victory of God's plan of salvation - His everlasting vindication over the powers of darkness - for your life.

Amen and I agree for sure.......Ana-stasis...again to stand-->resurrection.....The whole bible is central to the resurrection for sure.....without the resurrection of Jesus the rest would have no purpose....the law and prophets testify of Christ, point to Christ and lead us by the hand to Christ and the majority of the New Testament points to the power of Christ in our lives dia the resurrection and the power of Christ in us for daily living....all based upon the Ana-stasis of Jesus Christ from the dead....

Amen...If the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus dwell in you...........!

 

[kodiak]

((Kodiak, et al)) it is simple. yahweh did not authorize eastr. yahweh's WORD FORBIDS IT.


"In essence, Christianity has proclaimed as "holy" that which the Bible declares "profane." God once issued a scathing indictment against the priests of Israel because they did the very same thing. Consider the words of the prophet Ezekiel.

Her priests have violated My law, and have profaned Mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from My sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. (Ezek. 22:26)

These words should stand as a powerful reminder that God takes very seriously the way in which He is worshiped. When man takes upon himself the right to determine how he will honor God, he assumes a right that he does not have. God alone will determine what honors or dishonors Him.

Throughout the Bible, God specifically outlines the terms and conditions of His worship. Still, man believes that he has a better way and as a result, has created symbols that define a faith that is abhorrent to God and is condemned in the scriptures."

the truth about easter

so by using your logic, we can say that this website is evil? God did not authorize the internet, the U.S. government did....the internet has other bad websites on it like Easter has worship of God and as you said bad stuff. If the internet is evil, why are you here telling us this?....This is how I interpreted this....you may want to use simple language so we can better understand what you mean....

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I can't begin to describe the extent of my not caring. I celebrated the resurrection of Jesus Christ this morning with my church family who has helped me in numerous ways. If thats too hard of a concept for judahizers or conspiracy nuts to deal with than tough.

Absolutely, Brother, Nautilus. I did the same on the day we mark as the day our Lord arose! And I too could care less -- but not much -- about what we call it.

 

[Utah]

man believes that he has a better way and as a result, has created symbols that define a faith that is abhorrent to God and is condemned in the scriptures

So the global community of believers gathering together one day a year to recognize and rejoice in Jesus' Resurrection is abhorrent to God. Unbelievable!

 

[Utah]

Absolutely, Brother, Nautilus. I did the same on the day we mark as the day our Lord arose! And I too could care less -- but not much -- about what we call it.

AMEN!!!!!!!!

 

[psychomom]

i don't suppose....we might just put this topic to bed?

just for perhaps 11 months, please?

forgive me. i have a headache.

 

[atwhatcost]

The real biblical term to be used is Passover it is official bible terminology in a way we can all agree upon the Gentiles use Easter because they have bought into the Vatican's lie input into today's day through forced control upon many kingdoms through lies deceit and violence including murder they have changed the laws and times to fit their agenda to world dominance the very bank that is untouchable is the Sweden bank the Vatican's own personal bank but the issue here is it is Passover nog Easter

The original modern-word awful meant full of awe.

Do you think God is awful? If you'd never say that, you certainly understand "That was then and this is now," explaining why this post was you proving some strange point apart from God.

Happy Easter! He rose! Alleluia!

 

[sparkman]

So THAT is what those chocolate bunnies and colored eggs are about. The fact that Christ rose on Sabbath afternoon and tells us NOWHERE to celebrate it, the fact that bringing into the church a pagan celebration and substituting it for the days that God instructs and then refusing to acknowledge what scripture actually says is what Ishtar is all about? OK, I think I understand.
SIMPLE!



Then why do churches sponsor such? Your church preach against these pagan fertility rites?



Lemme see here, how then did you spend your Ishtar? Like this?

Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

Before you criticize their position regarding Easter, why don't you tell them about your belief that you will be a member of God's family, and will be deity just like God? Take the massive beam from your own eye first before removing their speck.