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False

1 Jn 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
KJV
How come the author does not state it like this..."And if any man sin, they have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" Why did he say we?
 

posthuman

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#62
let me help clarify something:

re·demp·tion
rəˈdem(p)SH(ə)n/
noun


  • 1.
    the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil.
    "God's plans for the redemption of his world"
    [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]saving, freeing from sin, absolution"God's redemption of his people"

    righteousness


    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]





Christ "redeemed" us from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:13) by taking upon Himself our sin - our disobedience - and offering Himself as an atonement for it.
by believing this - by believing that He is who He says He is, and has done for us what He has done for us, we are redeemed - absolved - of the guilt of our disobedience.
this is not cause to go on in disobedience to the law of righteousness He has written on our hearts, and it is not to turn grace into licentiousness, giving opportunity for us to turn away from Him and His way.
but the command to which obedience grants pardon is the command to believe, and to believe is to repent, because to repent is "to turn away from" and to believe is to turn towards, and the Lord and sin are polar opposite vectors.

we do not accomplish salvation by obedience to Mosaic maxims.
the Lord accomplishes salvation in us, by grace, by redemption, but passing over and pardoning iniquity.
it is He that works in us; it is He who reaches out to lift us up - not us who work towards Him, and not us who reach up to bring ourselves level with Him.

redemption is the act of an outside force.

now, does my redemption draw nigh or no?
it is exactly relevant to the OP. may your eyes be opened to it.

P.S.


posting "reported" adds no content to the thread and is therefore by definition "spam"

true or false?
 
Apr 6, 2015
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#63
let me help clarify something:

re·demp·tion
rəˈdem(p)SH(ə)n/
noun


  • 1.
    the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil.
    "God's plans for the redemption of his world"
    [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]saving, freeing from sin, absolution"God's redemption of his people"

    righteousness


    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]





Christ "redeemed" us from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:13) by taking upon Himself our sin - our disobedience - and offering Himself as an atonement for it.
by believing this - by believing that He is who He says He is, and has done for us what He has done for us, we are redeemed - absolved - of the guilt of our disobedience.
this is not cause to go on in disobedience to the law of righteousness He has written on our hearts, and it is not to turn grace into licentiousness, giving opportunity for us to turn away from Him and His way.
but the command to which obedience grants pardon is the command to believe, and to believe is to repent, because to repent is "to turn away from" and to believe is to turn towards, and the Lord and sin are polar opposite vectors.

we do not accomplish salvation by obedience to Mosaic maxims.
the Lord accomplishes salvation in us, by grace, by redemption, but passing over and pardoning iniquity.
it is He that works in us; it is He who reaches out to lift us up - not us who work towards Him, and not us who reach up to bring ourselves level with Him.

redemption is the act of an outside force.

now, does my redemption draw nigh or no?
it is exactly relevant to the OP. may your eyes be opened to it.

P.S.


posting "reported" adds no content to the thread and is therefore by definition "spam"

true or false?
If you disobey the commandants of eternal life are you the redeemed of Christ?
 
Apr 6, 2015
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#64
So here is a very good question.

Do the redeemed of Christ disobey His commandments?

or

Do the redeemed of Christ obey His commandments?
 
D

DesiredHaven

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#67
How come the author does not state it like this..."And if any man sin, they have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" Why did he say we?

He doesn't say "this is how come I say"
 
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DesiredHaven

Guest
#70
So here is a very good question.

Do the redeemed of Christ disobey His commandments?

or

Do the redeemed of Christ obey His commandments?
Who is your question directed to, cause you said...

The question was not directed to you. And your answer is of no substance to the question.
 
D

DesiredHaven

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#71
The question was not directed to you. And your answer is of no substance to the question.
He just does say, I felt it was an answer, besides sometimes MarcR likes when I answer for him
 

posthuman

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#72
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,
God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.

(Romans 8:3)

commandments are powerless to redeem.

yes? no?


I have swept away your offenses like a cloud,
your sins like the morning mist.
Return to me,
for I have redeemed you.
Sing for joy, you heavens, for the Lord has done this;
shout aloud, you earth beneath.
Burst into song, you mountains,
you forests and all your trees,
for the Lord has redeemed Jacob,
he displays his glory in Israel.

(Isaiah 44:22-23)

the LORD wipes away sin and redeems,
Jacob does not absolve himself of guilt,
and Israel does not pay her own ransom.

yes? no?

what do we think,
is obedience and righteousness evidence of redemption, or stimulus that accomplishes a redemptive response?
is it cause or effect ?

if it is us working, salvation is a wage earned - our own glory, to be boasted of. (see: Romans 4:4)
if it is Him working in and through us, it is grace - His glory - and salvation is already accomplished in us, displayed by the firstfruits of the Spirit working in us.

is this the gospel you were going to get around to, D?

yes, no?

it is the one i received, the one for which i praise God, the one for which every morning i give thanks, and of which i am not ashamed.
that without the Lord, i have no good thing, and that i need Him every hour, and that i am in no way saved by my own works, but wholly trust in His name, completely dependent on His mercy.

Jah is great, and greatly to be praised!
i -- i am nothing but dust He has chosen to elevate.



 

posthuman

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#73
If you disobey the commandants of eternal life are you the redeemed of Christ?
don't you understand what "redeemed" means?
try reading the post again. we already see the end of your logic circuit, seen?

if Lazarus hadn't come out of his tomb, would it mean Lazarus had failed or Christ had failed?

i really do love your new avatar.
and your tenacity.
i hope one day to see that aimed at praising the Maker.

it takes time; you will see.
 

posthuman

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#74
His strength is made perfect in weakness

true or false?
 
D

DesiredHaven

Guest
#75
I'm not sure if his avatar is implying beware of him (as God) or beware of God (as God)?
 
D

DesiredHaven

Guest
#76
Posthuman I thought you would have liked this avatar better, its far more honest

Beware of me.png

Welp, Im off this thread enough playing around, good night
 
Apr 6, 2015
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#77
The commandments
of Jesus Christ is the Word of God.

Do you

have faith
in the commandments
of Jesus Christ
to save you
from your sins?

Disobeying the commandments of Jesus Christ
is rejecting Jesus Christ?

Do the redeemed of Christ disobey His commandments?
Do the redeemed of Christ obey His commandments?
 

posthuman

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#78
Though a righteous man falls seven times,
he will get up,
but the wicked will stumble into ruin.

(Proverbs 24:16)

every branch that beareth fruit,
he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

(John 15:2)


do the righteous ever fall?

yes? no?

whose perfection is our hope?

yours? or Christ's?
 

posthuman

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#79
Posthuman I thought you would have liked this avatar better, its far more honest

i do like your avatar :)

i didn't think you were as needful of a kind remark is all.

Christ's commandment, after all, is this:
love one another

hey D. -- do you love me?

yes? no?
 
Apr 6, 2015
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#80

i do like your avatar :)

i didn't think you were as needful of a kind remark is all.

Christ's commandment, after all, is this:
love one another

hey D. -- do you love me?

yes? no?
And then will I profess unto them,
I never knew you:

depart from me,

ye that work iniquity.
~ Jesus Christ