What was the language spoken before Babel
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it always seemed to me like the most natural understanding of the text of genesis 11 was that after the confusion of languages there was nobody left speaking the original language that was spoken before the confusion...so the original language would be an unknown language that is now most likely hopelessly lost...
one thing i am sure of is that it was not hebrew...even the briefest survey of middle eastern linguistics shows that hebrew is related to and derived from earlier semitic languages...
interestingly the languages labelled as 'semitic' are actually what should be called 'hamitic'...since they are all part of the afroasiatic language family that is also found in ethiopia or biblical cush and northern africa or biblical put and in ancient canaan...all hamitic nations according tot he bible... and the majority of evidence weighs in favor of this language family originating in an african homeland and not the middle east...
if that is true then it appears that the original semitic language was abandoned by the semitic people who adopted hamitic languages for their common speech... to me it seems most likely that the original semitic language was sumerian...which archaeology confirms had fallen into disuse and been replaced by the afroasiatic akkadian language...
one thing i am sure of is that it was not hebrew...even the briefest survey of middle eastern linguistics shows that hebrew is related to and derived from earlier semitic languages...
interestingly the languages labelled as 'semitic' are actually what should be called 'hamitic'...since they are all part of the afroasiatic language family that is also found in ethiopia or biblical cush and northern africa or biblical put and in ancient canaan...all hamitic nations according tot he bible... and the majority of evidence weighs in favor of this language family originating in an african homeland and not the middle east...
if that is true then it appears that the original semitic language was abandoned by the semitic people who adopted hamitic languages for their common speech... to me it seems most likely that the original semitic language was sumerian...which archaeology confirms had fallen into disuse and been replaced by the afroasiatic akkadian language...
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I am not sure Hebrew (biblical) was the original language, for a few reasons. And there are many more than I will post.
1. Abraham most likely did not speak Hebrew language, Most of his sons, Which would have spoken his language, would have spoken this language, yet we know most of his sons spoke aramic or a sort. If Hebrews came through Eber (hence the term hebrew) than many more people other than Israelites would have spoken this language) Since Israel was but one of Abrahams many offspring
2. Hebrew aramic and arabic languages all have similarities. And since all come from and through abraham, it is most likely, all proceded from the origional language of the father (eber) all the way back to babylon. And to claim Hebrew was origional would claim it remains unchanged from the time of babylon, which is unknown in the world of language. (Engish language today is not the same as it was when even the original english biblical text was written, words have different meanings etc. Not even the greek of today is like it was in biblical times.
3. The language of the jews in biblical times, was not even called Hebrew, it was called Judean (2 Kings 18: 38, 2 Chronicals 32: 18, Neh 13: 84, Is 36:11, Is 36: 13. (noting the the hebrew word was the word yehudin literally being translated, is judean)
4. Abraham was a semetic descent (from Shem) through one of Shems sons (EBER) from whence he was called a hebrew. He spend most of his adult life in Cannan (Canannite languages would have come from Noahs other son Ham, and would not have been semetic in origion or nature) then you Have Abrahams sons spending 400 years in Egypt (Which were also sons of Ham) Moses (being an egyptian prince) And also by his father in law (in cannan) would have been extremly influenced by these other two languages, as would also the whole nation of Israel at this time. so it is highly unlikely the hebrew language of biblical times would have been abrahams language, but instead a language heavily influenced by these three languages (abrahams origional/cannan, and egypt)
Most scholars believe bibical hebrew (which is still spoken today) was not finalized until the time of Nehemiah, or ezra, when the mazoretic text was first introduced.
As for me. I believe we do not know what language adam spoke. and may never know, until we get to heaven and ask God. To think we can try to figure it out would be yet another attempt which could cause confusion and division amoung Gos people. and is not worth the effort.
God knows. thats good enough for me.
1. Abraham most likely did not speak Hebrew language, Most of his sons, Which would have spoken his language, would have spoken this language, yet we know most of his sons spoke aramic or a sort. If Hebrews came through Eber (hence the term hebrew) than many more people other than Israelites would have spoken this language) Since Israel was but one of Abrahams many offspring
2. Hebrew aramic and arabic languages all have similarities. And since all come from and through abraham, it is most likely, all proceded from the origional language of the father (eber) all the way back to babylon. And to claim Hebrew was origional would claim it remains unchanged from the time of babylon, which is unknown in the world of language. (Engish language today is not the same as it was when even the original english biblical text was written, words have different meanings etc. Not even the greek of today is like it was in biblical times.
3. The language of the jews in biblical times, was not even called Hebrew, it was called Judean (2 Kings 18: 38, 2 Chronicals 32: 18, Neh 13: 84, Is 36:11, Is 36: 13. (noting the the hebrew word was the word yehudin literally being translated, is judean)
4. Abraham was a semetic descent (from Shem) through one of Shems sons (EBER) from whence he was called a hebrew. He spend most of his adult life in Cannan (Canannite languages would have come from Noahs other son Ham, and would not have been semetic in origion or nature) then you Have Abrahams sons spending 400 years in Egypt (Which were also sons of Ham) Moses (being an egyptian prince) And also by his father in law (in cannan) would have been extremly influenced by these other two languages, as would also the whole nation of Israel at this time. so it is highly unlikely the hebrew language of biblical times would have been abrahams language, but instead a language heavily influenced by these three languages (abrahams origional/cannan, and egypt)
Most scholars believe bibical hebrew (which is still spoken today) was not finalized until the time of Nehemiah, or ezra, when the mazoretic text was first introduced.
As for me. I believe we do not know what language adam spoke. and may never know, until we get to heaven and ask God. To think we can try to figure it out would be yet another attempt which could cause confusion and division amoung Gos people. and is not worth the effort.
God knows. thats good enough for me.
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this argument is inconsequential for one main reason...we know that scripture sometimes translates proper names from other languages into the language that the scripture passage is written in...
an example would be the apostle simon...who was given the aramaic name 'kepha' by jesus...but who is usually called by the greek equivalent 'peter' in the new testament...
similarly methuselah for example could have had a name in the original pre babel language that meant 'his death will bring'...which was then translated into the hebrew name 'methuselah' by moses because moses was writing genesis in hebrew...
an example would be the apostle simon...who was given the aramaic name 'kepha' by jesus...but who is usually called by the greek equivalent 'peter' in the new testament...
similarly methuselah for example could have had a name in the original pre babel language that meant 'his death will bring'...which was then translated into the hebrew name 'methuselah' by moses because moses was writing genesis in hebrew...
If I misunderstood you, I apologize just-me. I believe you are saying that Abram was after the confounding of the languages and Eber was before the confounding. The root Eber עבר5677 (prior to the confounding) is in the Hebrew word Hebrew עברי5680 (after the confounding) - this means Shem and Eber's language was very close to Abram's language?
Wrong LOL.That was the language after Babel, for babbling reveals something secret or confidential by talking impulsively or carelessly.
"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:" 1 Timothy 6:20
"But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Timothy 2:16
[video=youtube;9iQcEZlMtyI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9iQcEZlMtyI#t=37[/video]
"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:" 1 Timothy 6:20
"But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Timothy 2:16
[video=youtube;9iQcEZlMtyI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9iQcEZlMtyI#t=37[/video]
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This is real interesting stuff. I don't know jack about original Hebrew so I hope it's accurate and what not, would like to know Angela's opinion as I've seen she's quite learned on that stuff 
Thanks for posting that.
Thanks for posting that.
For some reason this topic is fascinating me, and I truly don't get ancient languages. (I don't consider Latin ancient.)
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"What was the language spoken before Babel?"
^ Oh this is easy. Just ask any KJV only advocate and they'll happily tell you it was the "King's English."
Ok, seriously, a discovered Sumerian tablet provides an extrabiblical archeological perspective on the biblical story of a time when all languages were one on the earth.
And using ancient Babylonian records and texts that are lost to us, Berossus referred to it in the Babyloniaca which he published in the 3rd century BCE. The Sumerian documents which include this account date back to about 3,000 BCE. See 'Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta,' for example.
See Herodotus 460 BCE and the cuneiform tablet dated 229 BCE; Samuel Noah Kramer's 'The Babel of Tongues: A Sumerian Version,' in the Journal of the American Oriental Society 88 (1968): 108–111; Nahum M. Sarna's 'Understanding Genesis' (1968): 63–80; A. Parrot's 'The Tower of Babel' (1955).
The Genesis account identifies the land of "Shinar" as the location of the Tower of Babel. This is the land of "Sumer" where many ancient documents of the Sumerians have been discovered.
But before you simply say, well then it was the language of Sumer remember that when God created Adam he spoke to him (Genesis 2:16) indicating that God gave Adam a language and this language came from God himself (and was not a result of Darwinian evolution).
When we look at all the names of Adam's descendent we find that all the names from Adam to Noah and his children are Hebrew names, meaning that their name has a meaning in Hebrew. For instance, Methuselah (Genesis 5:21) is Hebrew for "his death brings" (The flood occurred the year that he died). It is not until we come to Noah's grandchildren that we find names that are of a language other than Hebrew. For instance, the name Nimrod (Genesis 11:18), who was from Babylon/Sumer/Shinar and possibly the Tower of Babel, is a non-Hebrew name.
According to the Biblical record of names, Adam and his descendants spoke Hebrew. In addition, Jewish tradition as well as some Christian Scholars, believed that Hebrew was the original language of man. But could this be a translation into Hebrew from the original language? We cannot know with perfect certainty.
"It is generally assumed that, like the city, the tower was incomplete (v. 8), and that it was a staged temple tower or multi-storeyed ziggurat first developed in Babylonia in the early 3rd millennium bc from the low temenos or platform supporting a shrine set up near the main city temples (as at Erech and ’Uqair). After Sharkalisharri the earliest reference to the ziggurat at Babylon is to its restoration by Esarhaddon in 681–665 bc. This was named in Sumerian ‘Etemenanki’—‘the Building of the Foundation-platform of Heaven and Earth’ ‘whose top reaches to heaven’ and associated with the temple of Marduk Esagila, ‘the Building whose top is in heaven’.
It is very probable that such a sacred edifice followed an earlier plan. The tower was severely damaged in the war of 652–648 bc but restored again by Nebuchadrezzar II (605–562 bc). It was this building, part of which was recovered by Koldewey in 1899, which was described by Herodotus on his visit c. 460 bc and is discussed in a cuneiform tablet dated 229 bc (Louvre, AO 6555). These enable an approximate picture of the later tower to be given. The base stage measured × m and was 33 m high. Above this were built five platforms, each 6–18 m high but of diminishing area.
The whole was crowned by a temple where the god was thought to descend for intercourse with mankind. Access was by ramps or stairways. A late Babylonian plan of a seven-staged ziggurat shows that the architectural form was a height equal to the width at base with a cubic temple on the summit. Among others, ziggurats were found in *Ur, *Erech, *Nineveh and elsewhere in *Assyria and *Babylonia.
The ziggurat at Babylon was demolished by Xerxes in 472 bc, and though Alexander cleared the rubble prior to its restoration this was thwarted by his death. The bricks were subsequently removed by the local inhabitants, and today the site of Etemenanki is a pit (Es-Saḥn) as deep as the original construction was high.
Travelers of all ages have sought to locate the ruined tower of Babel. Some identify it with the site described above and others with the visible remains of a ziggurat still visible at Borsippa (mod. Birs Nimrūd) 11 km SSW of Babylon, which is probably of Neo-Babylonian date. Yet others place the biblical tower at Dūr-Kurigalzu (Aqar Quf, W of Baghdad, a city which was, however, built c. 1400 bc. All that can certainly be said is that the Gn. 11 account bears all the marks of a reliable historical account of buildings which can no longer be traced.
Some scholars associate Jacob’s vision of a ladder and a ‘gate or heaven’ (Gn. 28:11–18) with a ziggurat of the kind once built at Babel. According to Gn. 11:9, the intervention of Yahweh at the building of Babel led to the confusion of tongues and the subsequent dispersion of mankind, possibly in the days of Peleg (Gn. 10:25). (*Nations, Table of; Gn. 10.)
Babel, as *Babylon throughout its history, became a symbol of the pride of man and his inevitable fall. Babel was also theologically linked with the confusion and broken fellowship between men and nations when separated from God. Its effects are to be reversed in God’s final kingdom, but there is no certainty that the *tongues or glossolalia of Acts 2:4 cf. the interpretation of Joel in vv. 16–21), which were confined to Jews and proselytes and largely Aramaic- and Greek-speaking peoples, were other than known ‘foreign languages’ (JTS n.s. 17, 1966, pp. 299–307)."
^ Reference: Wiseman, D. J. (1996). Babel. In D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard & J. I. Packer (Eds.), New Bible dictionary (D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard & J. I. Packer, Ed.) (3rd ed.) (109–110). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.
^ Oh this is easy. Just ask any KJV only advocate and they'll happily tell you it was the "King's English."
Ok, seriously, a discovered Sumerian tablet provides an extrabiblical archeological perspective on the biblical story of a time when all languages were one on the earth.
And using ancient Babylonian records and texts that are lost to us, Berossus referred to it in the Babyloniaca which he published in the 3rd century BCE. The Sumerian documents which include this account date back to about 3,000 BCE. See 'Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta,' for example.
See Herodotus 460 BCE and the cuneiform tablet dated 229 BCE; Samuel Noah Kramer's 'The Babel of Tongues: A Sumerian Version,' in the Journal of the American Oriental Society 88 (1968): 108–111; Nahum M. Sarna's 'Understanding Genesis' (1968): 63–80; A. Parrot's 'The Tower of Babel' (1955).
The Genesis account identifies the land of "Shinar" as the location of the Tower of Babel. This is the land of "Sumer" where many ancient documents of the Sumerians have been discovered.
But before you simply say, well then it was the language of Sumer remember that when God created Adam he spoke to him (Genesis 2:16) indicating that God gave Adam a language and this language came from God himself (and was not a result of Darwinian evolution).
When we look at all the names of Adam's descendent we find that all the names from Adam to Noah and his children are Hebrew names, meaning that their name has a meaning in Hebrew. For instance, Methuselah (Genesis 5:21) is Hebrew for "his death brings" (The flood occurred the year that he died). It is not until we come to Noah's grandchildren that we find names that are of a language other than Hebrew. For instance, the name Nimrod (Genesis 11:18), who was from Babylon/Sumer/Shinar and possibly the Tower of Babel, is a non-Hebrew name.
According to the Biblical record of names, Adam and his descendants spoke Hebrew. In addition, Jewish tradition as well as some Christian Scholars, believed that Hebrew was the original language of man. But could this be a translation into Hebrew from the original language? We cannot know with perfect certainty.
"It is generally assumed that, like the city, the tower was incomplete (v. 8), and that it was a staged temple tower or multi-storeyed ziggurat first developed in Babylonia in the early 3rd millennium bc from the low temenos or platform supporting a shrine set up near the main city temples (as at Erech and ’Uqair). After Sharkalisharri the earliest reference to the ziggurat at Babylon is to its restoration by Esarhaddon in 681–665 bc. This was named in Sumerian ‘Etemenanki’—‘the Building of the Foundation-platform of Heaven and Earth’ ‘whose top reaches to heaven’ and associated with the temple of Marduk Esagila, ‘the Building whose top is in heaven’.
It is very probable that such a sacred edifice followed an earlier plan. The tower was severely damaged in the war of 652–648 bc but restored again by Nebuchadrezzar II (605–562 bc). It was this building, part of which was recovered by Koldewey in 1899, which was described by Herodotus on his visit c. 460 bc and is discussed in a cuneiform tablet dated 229 bc (Louvre, AO 6555). These enable an approximate picture of the later tower to be given. The base stage measured × m and was 33 m high. Above this were built five platforms, each 6–18 m high but of diminishing area.
The whole was crowned by a temple where the god was thought to descend for intercourse with mankind. Access was by ramps or stairways. A late Babylonian plan of a seven-staged ziggurat shows that the architectural form was a height equal to the width at base with a cubic temple on the summit. Among others, ziggurats were found in *Ur, *Erech, *Nineveh and elsewhere in *Assyria and *Babylonia.
The ziggurat at Babylon was demolished by Xerxes in 472 bc, and though Alexander cleared the rubble prior to its restoration this was thwarted by his death. The bricks were subsequently removed by the local inhabitants, and today the site of Etemenanki is a pit (Es-Saḥn) as deep as the original construction was high.
Travelers of all ages have sought to locate the ruined tower of Babel. Some identify it with the site described above and others with the visible remains of a ziggurat still visible at Borsippa (mod. Birs Nimrūd) 11 km SSW of Babylon, which is probably of Neo-Babylonian date. Yet others place the biblical tower at Dūr-Kurigalzu (Aqar Quf, W of Baghdad, a city which was, however, built c. 1400 bc. All that can certainly be said is that the Gn. 11 account bears all the marks of a reliable historical account of buildings which can no longer be traced.
Some scholars associate Jacob’s vision of a ladder and a ‘gate or heaven’ (Gn. 28:11–18) with a ziggurat of the kind once built at Babel. According to Gn. 11:9, the intervention of Yahweh at the building of Babel led to the confusion of tongues and the subsequent dispersion of mankind, possibly in the days of Peleg (Gn. 10:25). (*Nations, Table of; Gn. 10.)
Babel, as *Babylon throughout its history, became a symbol of the pride of man and his inevitable fall. Babel was also theologically linked with the confusion and broken fellowship between men and nations when separated from God. Its effects are to be reversed in God’s final kingdom, but there is no certainty that the *tongues or glossolalia of Acts 2:4 cf. the interpretation of Joel in vv. 16–21), which were confined to Jews and proselytes and largely Aramaic- and Greek-speaking peoples, were other than known ‘foreign languages’ (JTS n.s. 17, 1966, pp. 299–307)."
^ Reference: Wiseman, D. J. (1996). Babel. In D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard & J. I. Packer (Eds.), New Bible dictionary (D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard & J. I. Packer, Ed.) (3rd ed.) (109–110). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.
עבר Is not the word for Hebrew that were Shem and Ebers language, but what they spoke was passed on to their descendants, and Abram was their descendant.Shem's language was not named before Abram according to the KJV. The language was only recognized by its name via Abram. עברי (the word for Hebrew) would then be recognized as "the eber" or "the abar". י is recognized as a closed hand relating to holding on to something while working.
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i don't think gilgamesh was nimrod...more likely nimrod was an earlier king called enmerkar...some scholars believe that 'kar' meant 'hunter'...so his name could be translated to say 'nmr the hunter'
according to sumerian tablets enmerkar's father was meshkianggasher...the 'gash' in that name may correspond to the biblical cush...
enmerkar's successor was lugalbanda...one of his generals... lugalbanda's successor was dumuzid who appears to have been a fortunate commoner who rose to his position... gilgamesh was lugalbanda's son and dumuzid's successor...
there are lots of other details in the sumerian texts that support identifying nimrod with enmerkar...more than i have time to write about right now...
according to sumerian tablets enmerkar's father was meshkianggasher...the 'gash' in that name may correspond to the biblical cush...
enmerkar's successor was lugalbanda...one of his generals... lugalbanda's successor was dumuzid who appears to have been a fortunate commoner who rose to his position... gilgamesh was lugalbanda's son and dumuzid's successor...
there are lots of other details in the sumerian texts that support identifying nimrod with enmerkar...more than i have time to write about right now...
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Feeble, (not gentle), consideration (not argument.)
Shroud of Turin. That's what I heard it was called as I grew up and assumed that was its name. I also figured Turin was some place somewhere. (It just didn't interest me enough to find out where Turin was.) Enter the Olympics in Torino.
Um, Torino? How did Torino come from Turin? That I did look up. Apparently, people in other countries don't call their countries or towns by English words, unless they're English.
I call the guy you're talking about "Abraham." If Abraham lived today and I saw him on the street, if I shouted, "Yo, Abraham! How ya doin'?" He'd keep walking unaware I was talking to him. I have the right name. I can tell because it's the same name in every Bible version I've ever read, but it's not the same as his language, so it would sound familiar, but not him.
Can't that be another explanation of why the names are different? It got translated into different languages, and we're just reading it from a different language? Just like Torino and Turin are the same place but in different languages... and not different languages?
You may be right. You've got an infinitely better chance of being right, because this is what you like to study. But, again, even if I don't always get ancient languages I have enjoyed studying something of linguistics, and preferably semantics. (Also, probably not as much as you've studied Hebrew, since mine is an aside, and yours is a passion.) I'm trying to get you to see other possible answers, so you investigate further (if needed, and I've already proved some of the stuff I say isn't right, so quite possibly you've already sussed this out), so when you get your answer, you're more confident it is The Answer.
Shroud of Turin. That's what I heard it was called as I grew up and assumed that was its name. I also figured Turin was some place somewhere. (It just didn't interest me enough to find out where Turin was.) Enter the Olympics in Torino.
Um, Torino? How did Torino come from Turin? That I did look up. Apparently, people in other countries don't call their countries or towns by English words, unless they're English.
I call the guy you're talking about "Abraham." If Abraham lived today and I saw him on the street, if I shouted, "Yo, Abraham! How ya doin'?" He'd keep walking unaware I was talking to him. I have the right name. I can tell because it's the same name in every Bible version I've ever read, but it's not the same as his language, so it would sound familiar, but not him.
Can't that be another explanation of why the names are different? It got translated into different languages, and we're just reading it from a different language? Just like Torino and Turin are the same place but in different languages... and not different languages?
You may be right. You've got an infinitely better chance of being right, because this is what you like to study. But, again, even if I don't always get ancient languages I have enjoyed studying something of linguistics, and preferably semantics. (Also, probably not as much as you've studied Hebrew, since mine is an aside, and yours is a passion.) I'm trying to get you to see other possible answers, so you investigate further (if needed, and I've already proved some of the stuff I say isn't right, so quite possibly you've already sussed this out), so when you get your answer, you're more confident it is The Answer.
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the 'silent' letters in hebrew are technically not silent...they are what linguists call 'glottal stops'...the aleph is like the 'catch' in your throat when you say 'uh oh'... speakers of modern western languages generally think nothing of this sound...but to the ancient middle eastern peoples it was an important enough sound that it got its own letter...
the ayin was originally like a rougher sounding version of the aleph...it may have actually sounded a bit like a choke... this is why in hebrew 'gomorrah' actually starts with an ayin...and why the hebrew name 'reuel' was translitered as 'raguel' in the septuagint...
over time hebrew has lost the distinctiveness of some of its sounds...ayin has come to sound pretty much the same as aleph...
teth and tav is another example of this blurring together of once distinct sounds...the tav was similar to our modern T sound...the teth was apparently a more aspirated form that may have sounded slightly like a spit...
likewise with samekh and sin...samekh was evidently the original S sound of the hebrew language...sin was basically like shin only the shape of the tongue is flipped upside down...it probably sounded like the 'sl' in 'slip' but with more of a lispy quality...
the ayin was originally like a rougher sounding version of the aleph...it may have actually sounded a bit like a choke... this is why in hebrew 'gomorrah' actually starts with an ayin...and why the hebrew name 'reuel' was translitered as 'raguel' in the septuagint...
over time hebrew has lost the distinctiveness of some of its sounds...ayin has come to sound pretty much the same as aleph...
teth and tav is another example of this blurring together of once distinct sounds...the tav was similar to our modern T sound...the teth was apparently a more aspirated form that may have sounded slightly like a spit...
likewise with samekh and sin...samekh was evidently the original S sound of the hebrew language...sin was basically like shin only the shape of the tongue is flipped upside down...it probably sounded like the 'sl' in 'slip' but with more of a lispy quality...
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Did you learn to read and write through the KJV1611Only? If not, you should never have learned to read or write, because you were reading and writing words apart from "scripture."
Seriously? Just-me is trying to figure out how to translate something ancient. Since the language may well be related to the Bible, she (or he, sorry if I pick wrong gender) is studying the Bible for reference as well as outside the Bible for reference. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Apparently you haven't been studying anything but one version of the Bible. In which case... how did you get on the Internet? The Internet isn't "inspired" either.
Seriously? Just-me is trying to figure out how to translate something ancient. Since the language may well be related to the Bible, she (or he, sorry if I pick wrong gender) is studying the Bible for reference as well as outside the Bible for reference. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Apparently you haven't been studying anything but one version of the Bible. In which case... how did you get on the Internet? The Internet isn't "inspired" either.
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actually what happened is that the hebrew and greek alphabets were both derived from the earlier phoenician alphabet...which in turn came from a proto canaanite alphabet that was itself derived from proto sinaitic scripts...such as the wadi el hol writing which has strong influences from egyptian hieratic...
Genesis 11:1-9
1Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.” 5And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[SUP]a[/SUP] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.
1Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. 2And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. 3And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. 4Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.” 5And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[SUP]a[/SUP] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.
מתושלח Methuselah
מת dead
לח wet
From what I understand, the flood would not come until his passing after 969 years. I don't think it was an afterthought of any group of people or the understanding of any human thinking after the flood subsided.
I don't think the name was given after the flood.
מת dead
לח wet
From what I understand, the flood would not come until his passing after 969 years. I don't think it was an afterthought of any group of people or the understanding of any human thinking after the flood subsided.
I don't think the name was given after the flood.
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