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Can people be unloving?
Certainly.
But are we to believe some people posting on CC are loving God with "all their mind", while others posting here are not?
That's logically impossible.
NO ONE is perfect and capable of loving God with "all their mind".
It is an impossibility.
It is SO impossible, that Jesus had to die on the cross to pay for our sins.
We aren't capable of being perfect in ANY way,
neither BEFORE accepting Christ, nor AFTER.
So, can we all be more loving?
Of course.
But can we say one person posting on CC loves God with "all their mind" and another person posting does not?
NO.
We cannot say that.
NO ONE is CAPABLE of loving God in a perfect way, with "all their mind".
Certainly.
But are we to believe some people posting on CC are loving God with "all their mind", while others posting here are not?
That's logically impossible.
NO ONE is perfect and capable of loving God with "all their mind".
It is an impossibility.
It is SO impossible, that Jesus had to die on the cross to pay for our sins.
We aren't capable of being perfect in ANY way,
neither BEFORE accepting Christ, nor AFTER.
So, can we all be more loving?
Of course.
But can we say one person posting on CC loves God with "all their mind" and another person posting does not?
NO.
We cannot say that.
NO ONE is CAPABLE of loving God in a perfect way, with "all their mind".
Keep in mind...nowhere is a CHRISTIAN to become a doormat, to be weakened and wiped upon. Yes, we offer our very lives so that others can become introduced to JESUS like we were, and yes, we get ridiculed and even killed..but we have to 'test the spirits". It would to totally foolish to sit back and think that forgiveness is never having to forgive unless asked for. THe world cares less to ask forgiveness from those they despise. In that case, we would never forgive if we wait.
Got to say forgiving people before they sin against you is simply theoretical rubbish. Forgiveness comes out of loss, and loss comes from actually loosing something, being hurt, it costing. One of the key issues in life is listening to yourself, and knowing when you are hurt, not burying it or ignoring it, until it becomes so large it cannot be ignored.
Unfortunately the christian church is full of people disconnected with their emotions and hurt, so the problem is actually knowing it matters to you, and then choosing to forgive. I wish people really, really understood how little forgiveness is really practised, or even understood how deeply the hurts run against parents, ex-partners, rebellious children, betrayed friends, apostate leaders etc.
Unfortunately the christian church is full of people disconnected with their emotions and hurt, so the problem is actually knowing it matters to you, and then choosing to forgive. I wish people really, really understood how little forgiveness is really practised, or even understood how deeply the hurts run against parents, ex-partners, rebellious children, betrayed friends, apostate leaders etc.
It is a state of spirituality that once achieved will free you from the confines of the flesh mind. Heaven is void of all emotions except love and peace. You say that forgiving sins before you are sinned against is theoretical rubbish, but God does just that for us. If we are made in God's image, can we not strive to do for others what God does for us.
God bless
God bless
Willie T said:
3). This one works if you understand that the word "judge" means that we make no determinations about that person other than to choose to either listen to their advice, or not to. The deciding factor is to apply to OUR response to what they might be advocating... nothing more. No damning them. No bad mouthing them. No trying to influence other people about them... etc. God gave that job to the Holy Spirit, not us.
Um, well, hmm...........that would do away with what Jesus taught about knowing them by their fruits, and what is also taught about trying the spirits to see if they are of God, and about how the Church is to admonish the wrong doer........
Judge not, lest ye be judged is oft quoted, but what is most often left out is the rest of that passage of Scriptures........
paraphrasing: the standard you use to judge others is the standard that you will be judged by. (you being universal/not personal) We are actually suppose to judge the words/works of others to assure that they are of God and not ravenous wolves among us. What we don't do is judge their hearts relationship with God, unless we are willing to be judged by the same standard we judge them.
God bless
3). This one works if you understand that the word "judge" means that we make no determinations about that person other than to choose to either listen to their advice, or not to. The deciding factor is to apply to OUR response to what they might be advocating... nothing more. No damning them. No bad mouthing them. No trying to influence other people about them... etc. God gave that job to the Holy Spirit, not us.
Um, well, hmm...........that would do away with what Jesus taught about knowing them by their fruits, and what is also taught about trying the spirits to see if they are of God, and about how the Church is to admonish the wrong doer........
Judge not, lest ye be judged is oft quoted, but what is most often left out is the rest of that passage of Scriptures........
paraphrasing: the standard you use to judge others is the standard that you will be judged by. (you being universal/not personal) We are actually suppose to judge the words/works of others to assure that they are of God and not ravenous wolves among us. What we don't do is judge their hearts relationship with God, unless we are willing to be judged by the same standard we judge them.
God bless
E
there is no better way to show the love of God that to forgive without being asked.
God did this with us, should we not act like him. As he said on the cross (as mentioned my Mark) Forgive them father"
the world forgives (maybe) only when asked. we are not to be like the world. but to be like Christ.
Number 3 is to open. judgement can mean alot of things, and we are told not to judge anyone. or cast stones at anyone. Confronting a brother in love is not judging, A judge condemns (declares guilty) or sets free (declares innocent). we do not have this authority.
God did this with us, should we not act like him. As he said on the cross (as mentioned my Mark) Forgive them father"
the world forgives (maybe) only when asked. we are not to be like the world. but to be like Christ.
Number 3 is to open. judgement can mean alot of things, and we are told not to judge anyone. or cast stones at anyone. Confronting a brother in love is not judging, A judge condemns (declares guilty) or sets free (declares innocent). we do not have this authority.
E
Willie T said:
3). This one works if you understand that the word "judge" means that we make no determinations about that person other than to choose to either listen to their advice, or not to. The deciding factor is to apply to OUR response to what they might be advocating... nothing more. No damning them. No bad mouthing them. No trying to influence other people about them... etc. God gave that job to the Holy Spirit, not us.
Um, well, hmm...........that would do away with what Jesus taught about knowing them by their fruits, and what is also taught about trying the spirits to see if they are of God, and about how the Church is to admonish the wrong doer........
Judge not, lest ye be judged is oft quoted, but what is most often left out is the rest of that passage of Scriptures........
paraphrasing: the standard you use to judge others is the standard that you will be judged by. (you being universal/not personal) We are actually suppose to judge the words/works of others to assure that they are of God and not ravenous wolves among us. What we don't do is judge their hearts relationship with God, unless we are willing to be judged by the same standard we judge them.
God bless
3). This one works if you understand that the word "judge" means that we make no determinations about that person other than to choose to either listen to their advice, or not to. The deciding factor is to apply to OUR response to what they might be advocating... nothing more. No damning them. No bad mouthing them. No trying to influence other people about them... etc. God gave that job to the Holy Spirit, not us.
Um, well, hmm...........that would do away with what Jesus taught about knowing them by their fruits, and what is also taught about trying the spirits to see if they are of God, and about how the Church is to admonish the wrong doer........
Judge not, lest ye be judged is oft quoted, but what is most often left out is the rest of that passage of Scriptures........
paraphrasing: the standard you use to judge others is the standard that you will be judged by. (you being universal/not personal) We are actually suppose to judge the words/works of others to assure that they are of God and not ravenous wolves among us. What we don't do is judge their hearts relationship with God, unless we are willing to be judged by the same standard we judge them.
God bless
I would disagree.
we are test the works. not judge the works. A big difference.
The only thing we can really judge per say is ones gospel. But even this is a personal decision, I agree or disagree.
I'm sorry, correct me if i'm worng, but Jesus did not forgive them, he asked the father to forgive them.
Luke 23 vs 34 ".....Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do....."
We also need to understand that the age of grace doesn't actually begin until Jesus gives up the ghost and is resurrected.
Jesus took the worlds sins past present and future with him when he died on the cross. God has given a blanket forgiveness to all who accept his son as lord and saviour of their lives. He has already forgotten before we ever ask for forgiveness.
What i am purposing is a spiritual state in Christ that will free us from the range of emotional turmoil which is the devils playground.
Hope i am not coming across as some kind of saint, because i need lots of help through Christ which i try to work on daily.
Omg, if it were not for grace, i would never have entertained the thought of accepting Christ a year and half ago. There is absolutely no way i could ever obtain the works necessary by the law. In fact i now know that no one is capable of doing so.
Nobody is worthy of entering God's kingdom without grace, nobody except of course Christ.
This is why we have been given grace through the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ Jesus. and because of this i am so excited to be part of God's family, and doing the right things and most of all sharing his word to others so they may share in the
miracles i have experienced through Jesus Christ my lord and saviour, Amen.
God bless
Luke 23 vs 34 ".....Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do....."
We also need to understand that the age of grace doesn't actually begin until Jesus gives up the ghost and is resurrected.
Jesus took the worlds sins past present and future with him when he died on the cross. God has given a blanket forgiveness to all who accept his son as lord and saviour of their lives. He has already forgotten before we ever ask for forgiveness.
What i am purposing is a spiritual state in Christ that will free us from the range of emotional turmoil which is the devils playground.
Hope i am not coming across as some kind of saint, because i need lots of help through Christ which i try to work on daily.
Omg, if it were not for grace, i would never have entertained the thought of accepting Christ a year and half ago. There is absolutely no way i could ever obtain the works necessary by the law. In fact i now know that no one is capable of doing so.
Nobody is worthy of entering God's kingdom without grace, nobody except of course Christ.
This is why we have been given grace through the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ Jesus. and because of this i am so excited to be part of God's family, and doing the right things and most of all sharing his word to others so they may share in the
miracles i have experienced through Jesus Christ my lord and saviour, Amen.
God bless
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I'm sorry, correct me if i'm worng, but Jesus did not forgive them, he asked the father to forgive them.
Luke 23 vs 34 ".....Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do
.........and in so asking, Jesus reveals that He forgave them as well........that, and the fact that Jesus is God........the important point to his comment was the example Jesus set for us all..........
Luke 23 vs 34 ".....Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do
.........and in so asking, Jesus reveals that He forgave them as well........that, and the fact that Jesus is God........the important point to his comment was the example Jesus set for us all..........
A small observation. There are two worlds here, one is the world of illusion, hyper spirituality where theory over the smallest upset can be dealt with, and basic simple real living, in the real world.
"I want to be able to forgive my brother for an insult before it happens so I do not even get upset."
This is fanciful nonsense. It comes from people living in a world where everyone is so very nice, and nothing "bad" has happened for years. It is also a lie, and the real hurts and lack of forgiveness and bitterness at disappointments, lack of recognition, unrequited love, sexual desires, lie below the surface. The first question one needs to ask, how do you feel about your parents and your upbringing, your siblings? Too many times people who talk the way I have read here have not begun this walk.
Judgement is a serious affair. I have been judged so many times by christians who feel my gifting is this or that. The truth is we tend to sumarise people immediately we meet them, put them into a box of do not handle. You will find you get annoyed in certain conversations and not in others, want to move on, or close them down. Ever wondered why? Because you are making judgements of use of time and interest. But again people love to say, I do not judge, I am open and loving. And yes these people do not have to deal with the seriously disfunctional and deranged, where trust is not an option, you cannot trust the people you are dealing with to any degree.
So some christians here are living in a very nice social bubble which simply does not relate to real life. No wonder the churches in some areas are declining if this is the level of understanding. And these people think they have reached spiritual maturity? There is a big shock coming...
"I want to be able to forgive my brother for an insult before it happens so I do not even get upset."
This is fanciful nonsense. It comes from people living in a world where everyone is so very nice, and nothing "bad" has happened for years. It is also a lie, and the real hurts and lack of forgiveness and bitterness at disappointments, lack of recognition, unrequited love, sexual desires, lie below the surface. The first question one needs to ask, how do you feel about your parents and your upbringing, your siblings? Too many times people who talk the way I have read here have not begun this walk.
Judgement is a serious affair. I have been judged so many times by christians who feel my gifting is this or that. The truth is we tend to sumarise people immediately we meet them, put them into a box of do not handle. You will find you get annoyed in certain conversations and not in others, want to move on, or close them down. Ever wondered why? Because you are making judgements of use of time and interest. But again people love to say, I do not judge, I am open and loving. And yes these people do not have to deal with the seriously disfunctional and deranged, where trust is not an option, you cannot trust the people you are dealing with to any degree.
So some christians here are living in a very nice social bubble which simply does not relate to real life. No wonder the churches in some areas are declining if this is the level of understanding. And these people think they have reached spiritual maturity? There is a big shock coming...