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Prove-all was writing about the "remnant" church, Jeff. I was asking him how this "remnant" identifies itself, how I would find them in the phone book, for example. I know what it means to be a Christian. He has answered with long, involved explanations, buying himself time, ducking, weaving and nimbly side-stepping answering my question directly. He still hasn't given me the answer I asked for.

This is not so much about Yahweh showing mercy as it is about prove-all showing honesty.
I can not give you faith, nor all the answers, its says seek and you shall find.

only God can give you these things, the fear of the lord is the begining of wisdom.......


and just where hive i been dishonest? if i have im sorry but nothing i said was deceitfull,

and I would never lie on purpose, you know one of the ten commandments to do if you love him.

the remenent that keeps his commands today

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they
that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


ask God for the answers , not me, i done proved it to myself, have you
 
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kohelet

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Thanks Jeff and prove-all, for clearing that up. It sounds intriguing.

In fact it sounds like the Seventh-Day Adventists, part of whose Fundamental Belief No. 13 goes, "in the last days, a time of widespread apostasy, a remnant has been called out to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus...". You could have told us you're an SDA, prove-all. We wouldn't have minded.

Some of us think that it is precisely these groups with their so-called prophets and their quirky ideas who are guilty of apostasy.


 

prove-all

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Thanks Jeff and prove-all, for clearing that up. It sounds intriguing.

In fact it sounds like the Seventh-Day Adventists, part of whose Fundamental Belief No. 13 goes, "in the last days, a time of widespread apostasy, a remnant has been called out to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus...". You could have told us you're an SDA, prove-all. We wouldn't have minded.

Some of us think that it is precisely these groups with their so-called prophets and their quirky ideas who are guilty of apostasy.


for one that would have been a lie for me to say,

see i never been to an SDA church, so sorry you assume to much.

but I did read it straight from the bible itself,

the other way is mystery of iniquity, a false great church, that changed the Sabbath day


not some person who was not even born yet
 

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for one that would have been a lie for me to say,

see i never been to an SDA church, so sorry you assume to much.

but I did read it straight from the bible itself,

the other way is mystery of iniquity, a false great church, that changed the Sabbath day


not some person who was not even born yet
lots of people read straight from the bible what isn't there they give the words a meaning they are never meant to have, the restrainer has not yet been taken out of the way. so that rules your idea out
 

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for one that would have been a lie for me to say,

see i never been to an SDA church, so sorry you assume to much.

but I did read it straight from the bible itself,

the other way is mystery of iniquity, a false great church, that changed the Sabbath day


not some person who was not even born yet

Okay, prove-all, thanks very much.
 
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Okay, prove-all, thanks very much.
Hi kohelet, I just want to complement you about our discussion the other day regarding the Sabbath. You are such a gentle soul. What a blessing to see that characteristic in a child of God even if we don't agree :)
 

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lots of people read straight from the bible what isn't there they give the words a meaning they are never meant to have, the restrainer has not yet been taken out of the way. so that rules your idea out
You have been an excellent example of this.
 

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Dear Dad

Lots of people are confused about which day is the true Sabbath Day. I ask that you would please send the Holy Spirit to enlighten those who are seeking Your truth as You have given to us in Your word the Bible. That the Holy Spirit would open hearts and minds to see the truth as You meant it to be in regards to the Sabbath day. That they could see You put a day of rest in the beginning at creation and blessed and sanctified that day and then as a reminder to the children of Israel who had been in captivity for 400 years in Egypt You again stated Your laws from the Mountain and then wrote them in stone with Your own finger. Please open eyes, hearts, and minds of those truly seeking Your truth. I pray in Jesus Name Amen.
 

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The Roman empire does not live again. There is no Roman empire.
maybe you should go see for youreself, before speaking something you know nothing about.
because the bible says one last time they come apon this earth again

25 March 2007 marks 50 th anniversary [of roman treaty]making europe union rome.
google it and read

Germany’s Quiet Sundays’
For Germans, whether religious or otherwise, Sunday is a sacred day of rest.
That’s what the Wall Street Journal said in its Life & Style section on March 23.
From the WSJ Expat Blog: Germany’s Quiet Sundays - WSJ

the Brussels-based European Sunday Alliance, a network of dozens of religious and nonreligious
organizations from 27 European nations whose purpose, according to its website,
is to “raise awareness of the unique value of synchronized free time for our European societies.”
At the helm of these crusaders for Sunday rest is the Roman Catholic Church.
European Sunday Alliance - First European Interest Group WORK-LIFE BALANCE launched!

Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth
in order to draw away disciples after them.

So be on your guard! Remember that (for three years) I never stopped
(warning each of you night and day with tears).Acts 20:30



“The church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance
from Saturday to Sunday is proof positive of that fact.

Deny the authority of the church and you have no adequate or reasonable
explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday,
—not a Commandment of God” (The Catholic Record, Sept. 1, 1923).
 
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kohelet

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Hi kohelet, I just want to complement you about our discussion the other day regarding the Sabbath. You are such a gentle soul. What a blessing to see that characteristic in a child of God even if we don't agree :)


Hi Gandalf,

This is a very kind thing to say - thank you! I really don't see myself as gentle at all. What I love about your note is that we can love and respect each other as brothers while not seeing everything the same way. Let's continue doing this all the more as we see the Day approaching!
 

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maybe you should go see for youreself, before speaking something you know nothing about.
because the bible says one last time they come apon this earth again

25 March 2007 marks 50 th anniversary [of roman treaty]making europe union rome.
google it and read
but Europe is 'governed' from Brussels not Rome.

Germany’s Quiet Sundays’
For Germans, whether religious or otherwise, Sunday is a sacred day of rest.
That’s what the Wall Street Journal said in its Life & Style section on March 23.
From the WSJ Expat Blog: Germany’s Quiet Sundays - WSJ
So?

the Brussels-based European Sunday Alliance, a network of dozens of religious and nonreligious
organizations from 27 European nations whose purpose, according to its website,
is to “raise awareness of the unique value of synchronized free time for our European societies.”
At the helm of these crusaders for Sunday rest is the Roman Catholic Church.

So?

Anyway the RC church is not 'at the helm' they are simply participating

European Sunday Alliance - First European Interest Group WORK-LIFE BALANCE launched!

Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth
in order to draw away disciples after them.

So be on your guard! Remember that (for three years) I never stopped
(warning each of you night and day with tears).Acts 20:30
Funny that in the 3 years he never seems to have mentioned the Sabbath if what we know he said is anything to go by. You Sabbatarians do love condemning others. Condemn not lest you be condemned. Your Sabbatarianism seems to give you little room for love and tolerance.

“The church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance
from Saturday to Sunday is proof positive of that fact.
Rubbish. It was the Bible that transferred the day on which men should worship to the first day of the week (Acts 20.7; 1 Cor 16.1; Rev 1.10)

Deny the authority of the church and you have no adequate or reasonable
explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday,
—not a Commandment of God” (The Catholic Record, Sept. 1, 1923).
so you accept the lies of the RC church? It figures.

what about ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7.

and just in case you missed it ACTS 20.7 - the day for breaking bread
 

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lots of people read straight from the bible what isn't there they give the words a meaning they are never meant to have, the restrainer has not yet been taken out of the way. so that rules your idea out
yes you do have a knack for reading verses wrong, like breaking bread.


What “Break Bread” Means

But does this text not say, as many claim today, that the disciples always
held communion every first day of the week? Not at all!

In the first place, it says nothing about anything being done every first day of the week.
It relates the events of this one particular first day of the week, only.

It is not speaking of any customs, but of the events occurring as Paul and his companions
concluded their seven-day visit in passing by this town.

Jesus had introduced the “Lord’s Supper” as part of the Passover, at the beginning of
the annual “days of unleavened bread.” No longer need they kill lambs or eat the roasted
body of Passover lambs, after Christ, our Passover, had been once slain for us.

Yet the Passover was ordained forever (Exodus 12:24).

At His last Passover supper, Jesus substituted the wine as the emblem of His blood,
instead of the blood of the slain lamb. He substituted the unleavened bread for
the roast body of the lamb as the symbol of His body, broken for us.

The disciples continued to observe the Passover annually, now in the form of
“the Lord’s Supper” using only the bread and wine, as a memorial (1?Corinthians 11:24)
of Christ’s death (1?Corinthians 11:26), showing His death till He comes again.

They continued to observe the Days of Unleavened Bread (Acts 20:6).

This year they had observed the Days of Unleavened Bread and the “Communion” service
at Philippi, after which they came to Troas in five days, where they remained seven days.

After the Sabbath day had ended, at sunset, “upon the first day of the week…
the disciples came together to break bread.”

People have assumed this expression to mean the taking of “Communion.”

But notice! Paul preached, and continued preaching until midnight. They had no opportunity
to stop and “break bread” until then. When Paul “therefore was come up again”—after restoring
the one who had fallen down from the third balcony“and had broken bread, and eaten” Acts 20:11

Note it! “roken bread, and eaten.” This breaking bread was not Communion

—it was simply eating a meal. This expression was commonly used of old to designate a meal.

It still is used in that sense in parts of even the United States.

Notice Luke 22:16, where Jesus was introducing the Lord’s Supper, taking it with His disciples.
He said, “I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Yet, the day after His resurrection, after walking with the two disciples to Emmaus,
as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them” (Luke 24:30).

Here Jesus “brake bread,” but it was not the Lord’s Supper,
which He said He would not take again. It was a meal—“he sat at meat.”

Notice Acts 2:46. The disciples, “continuing daily with one accord in the temple,
and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness?.…”

Here again, “breaking bread” means eating a meal. Not on the first day of the week, but daily.

Again, when Paul was shipwrecked on the voyage to Rome, the sailors had been fasting out
of fright. But “Paul besought them all to take meat, saying, This day is the fourteenth day
that ye have tarried and continued fasting, having taken nothing.

Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health?.…
And when he had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all:
and when he had broken it, he began to eat” (Acts 27:33-35).

Here Paul broke bread to give to unconverted sailors who were hungry.

The truth is, nowhere in the Bible is the expression “breaking of bread,” or “to break bread,”
used to signify observance of “the Lord’s Supper.” In all these texts it means, simply, eating a meal.

So, when we read in Acts 20:7, 11, “the disciples came together to break bread,”
and how Paul had “broken bread, and eaten,” we know by Scripture interpretation
it referred only to eating food as a meal, not to a Communion service.
 
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the Bible that transferred the day on which men should worship
to the first day of the week.....you site 1 Cor 16.1
What Was This COLLECTION on first day?

We come now to the eighth and last place where the term “first day of the week” occurs in the Bible.

8) 1 Corinthians 16:2: “Upon the first day of the week let every one of you
lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him.…”

Often we see this text printed on the little offering envelopes in the pews of popular
churches, and we have been told that this text sets the first day of the week as the time
for taking up the church collection for the carrying on of God’s work, paying the minister, etc.

Let us begin with the first verse and really catch the true intended meaning of this verse.

“Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia,
even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store,
as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.”

This speaks of a collection—but for whom—for what? Note it! Not for the preacher
—not for evangelism—but “the collection for the saints.” The poor saints at Jerusalem
were suffering from drought and famine. They needed, not money, but food.

Notice Paul had given similar instruction to other churches.
Now observe his instruction to the Romans:

“But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them
of Macedonia and Achaia [where the Corinthian church was located] to make a certain
contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit,
I will come by you into Spain” (Romans 15:25-28).

Ah! Did you catch it? It was not money, but fruit that was being sealed for shipment to
the poor saints at Jerusalem! (The Greek word can also refer to grain, wine, and other
produce which can be stored a long time without spoiling.)

Now turn back to 1?Corinthians 16. Paul is speaking concerning a collection for the saints.
Upon the first day of the week each one of them is instructed to do what? Look at it!

Does it say drop a coin in the collection plate at a church service? Not at all!

It says, “[L]et every one of you lay by him in STORE.” Note it! Lay by! Store up!
Store up by himself—at home! Not lay by at the church house—lay by him—at home.

Now why? “[T]hat there be no gatherings when I come.” Men gather fruit out of the orchard
—they gather vegetables out of the ground, to be stored up. But putting coins in a collection
plate at church, or handing in your tithe envelope could not be called a gathering,
but an offering or collection.

Notice further: “And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters,
them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. And if it be meet that I go also,
they [more than one] shall go with me” (verses 3-4).

Apparently it was going to require several men to carry this collection, gathered and stored up,
to Jerusalem. If it were tithe or offering for the minister or the spread of the gospel,
Paul could have carried the money alone.

So, once again, the last and final text in the Bible where we find “the first day of the week”
mentioned, it is a workday—a day for gathering fruit and food out of the orchards and
the fields and gardens, and storing it up. It was to be the first labor of the week,
hence the first day of the week, as soon as the Sabbath was past!


again I will claim the truth that there is { NO } verse in the bible
that authorized the Sabbath change to sunday, but only mans doing,
and God allowed it to happen and recorded in his words.
 

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so you accept the lies of the RC church? It figures.

what about ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7; ACTS 20.7.

and just in case you missed it ACTS 20.7 - the day for breaking bread
please do not ever say again i follow the rc, mother of harlots, helped by the father of lies.

go read what was posted, rc helps the dragon implement its sunday mark, changed commandents.


and just in case you missed it breaking bread is eating a meal
 

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Funny that in the 3 years he never seems to have mentioned the Sabbath if what we know he said is anything to go by. You Sabbatarians do love condemning others. Condemn not lest you be condemned. Your Sabbatarianism seems to give you little room for love and tolerance.
funny how we see Paul on 83 recorded times in the bible,
Keeping the Sabbath Holy day and taught at a place of worship to be had,

to jews and [gentials] on the Sabbath day, gentials even more so then others.
but the dispicles [ate] together, giving thanks and discussed all the time.

so where have I condemed you?, but only trying to warn people and open there eyes.
but remember, every word is judged out of everyones mouth, even mine given account.

and [God] said if you love me keep my commandents, he is one we should fear.
why are sabbath keepers hated so much, oh wait if they hated him, we would be hated.
 
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Funny that in the 3 years he never seems to have mentioned the Sabbath if what we know he said is anything to go by. You Sabbatarians do love condemning others. Condemn not lest you be condemned. Your Sabbatarianism seems to give you little room for love and tolerance.
You are not proving the contrary with comments like that.
 

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but Europe is 'governed' from Brussels not Rome.
6th resurrection - Hitler/Mussolini empowered by Pope Pius XII.
When Benito Mussolini became the Italian leader before World War ii,

he called his regime the Holy Roman Empire
Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As Benito Mussolini’s grip on Italy tightened during the 1920s,
he proclaimed the Holy Roman Empire restored.

In February 1929, Mussolini signed a pact with the Vatican, making Roman Catholicism
the only recognized religion in fascist Italy.

This agreement, known as the Lateran Treaty, delighted Pope Pius xi,
who spoke of Mussolini as “a man sent by Providence.”
Lateran Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The agreements included a political treaty which created the state of the Vatican City
and guaranteed full and independent sovereignty to the Holy See.

Mussolini commissioned the Via della Conciliazione (Road of the Conciliation),
which would symbolically link the Vatican City to the heart of Rome.

europe is the roman kingdom, east west together again allmost united.


Germany will be the king of this northern united europe

where hitlers seat of hattred is
 

prove-all

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So?

Anyway the RC church is not 'at the helm' they are simply participating

so you accept the lies of the RC church? It figures.
- the below statement from the church, was not from me,

“The church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance
from Saturday to Sunday is proof positive of that fact.

Deny the authority of the church and you have no adequate or reasonable
explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday,
(The Catholic Record, Sept. 1, 1923).

-this is just one of the churches admittance that they changed the day,
even though there is no commandment in the bible to do so,
and made the church and vicars above the bible, instead of Christ.


[the Brussels-based European Sunday Alliance, [quiet sundays],
-should i be forced to do something i do not want to do, is this not bad ?



sunday observence inforced by roman law, in romes kingdoms in the past.
a man worshiped like a god , a roman emperior made christanity sunday law

and the cathloc church took this roman mark of athority, and went with it
and became the Holy roman empire.

now again sunday law is in effect in the roman kingdom by law.


so do you accept the lies of the RC church?
 
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The Decalogue is recorded both in the Books of Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21, two of the five Books of Moses (also known as the Torah, Law, or Pentateuch). God gave Moses the Ten Commandments on two tablets of stone on Mount Sinai in the Book of Exodus, which are the moral expression of the Sinai Covenant between God and his people the Israelites. Moses recounted the Ten Commandments of God to the Israelites in the Book of Deuteronomy.
This is one you really need to read and stop twisting to suit your purpose
(4 )Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, do you even know what this means, those fake pictures you hang in churches to start with. He would of never had ling hair to begin with
or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
 
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Christ healed on the Sabbath, Christ is the Sabbath, Christ teaches that the Sabbath is hypocrisy, the Sabbath is from the law and the law is dead.