I Feel Condemned
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Jere don't listen to a word those so called preachers on youtube are filling your head with. It doesn't matter how much you have messed up how great the number of sin who you were or are now God's loving arms are always wide open waiting for you to be in them. you can be clean and forgiven God won't even remember what your sins were in the past its a clean slate.
Exactly! Remember what Jesus has taught us:
[h=3]A Sinful Woman Forgiven[/h]36 One of the Pharisees asked Jesus[j] to eat with him, and he went into the Pharisee’s house and took his place at the table. 37 And a woman in the city, who was a sinner, having learned that he was eating in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster jar of ointment. 38 She stood behind him at his feet, weeping, and began to bathe his feet with her tears and to dry them with her hair. Then she continued kissing his feet and anointing them with the ointment. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw it, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would have known who and what kind of woman this is who is touching him—that she is a sinner.” 40 Jesus spoke up and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” “Teacher,” he replied, “speak.” 41 “A certain creditor had two debtors; one owed five hundred denarii,[k] and the other fifty. 42 When they could not pay, he canceled the debts for both of them. Now which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon answered, “I suppose the one for whom he canceled the greater debt.” And Jesus[l] said to him, “You have judged rightly.” 44 Then turning toward the woman, he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has bathed my feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47 Therefore, I tell you, her sins, which were many, have been forgiven; hence she has shown great love. But the one to whom little is forgiven, loves little.” 48 Then he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49 But those who were at the table with him began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?” 50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
[h=3]A Sinful Woman Forgiven[/h]36 One of the Pharisees asked Jesus[j] to eat with him, and he went into the Pharisee’s house and took his place at the table. 37 And a woman in the city, who was a sinner, having learned that he was eating in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster jar of ointment. 38 She stood behind him at his feet, weeping, and began to bathe his feet with her tears and to dry them with her hair. Then she continued kissing his feet and anointing them with the ointment. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw it, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would have known who and what kind of woman this is who is touching him—that she is a sinner.” 40 Jesus spoke up and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” “Teacher,” he replied, “speak.” 41 “A certain creditor had two debtors; one owed five hundred denarii,[k] and the other fifty. 42 When they could not pay, he canceled the debts for both of them. Now which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon answered, “I suppose the one for whom he canceled the greater debt.” And Jesus[l] said to him, “You have judged rightly.” 44 Then turning toward the woman, he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has bathed my feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47 Therefore, I tell you, her sins, which were many, have been forgiven; hence she has shown great love. But the one to whom little is forgiven, loves little.” 48 Then he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49 But those who were at the table with him began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?” 50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
I'm sorry you feel condemned, and for those on this thread who have condemned you. Jesus is waiting to take you back, no matter what you have done, and how far you have been away.
Turn to him and repent, and get on that narrow road that leads to eternal life. Repent means to turn around. That means walk away from these things that you know are wrong, and ask the Holy Spirit to help you do this.
God loves you, and he really does want you to follow him.
"Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation." 2 Cor. 6:2b
Praying you come back to God and hang onto him through thick and thin.
PS Please find an accountability partner for your porn habit. A godly, older man who can help you break free once and for all!
Turn to him and repent, and get on that narrow road that leads to eternal life. Repent means to turn around. That means walk away from these things that you know are wrong, and ask the Holy Spirit to help you do this.
God loves you, and he really does want you to follow him.
"Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation." 2 Cor. 6:2b
Praying you come back to God and hang onto him through thick and thin.
PS Please find an accountability partner for your porn habit. A godly, older man who can help you break free once and for all!
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The Hebrews verses you have here, good sir, are not saying that if a Christian sins, even very badly, he/she will go to hell no matter what. These verses are not saying that you will lose your salvation for sinning despite previous acceptance of the Gospel. The true meaning of these scriptures is that if you reject Jesus permanently, after having accepted him at first, you will be condemned. These verses are not talking about people who were Christian, fell away, then came back to Christ again. They are talking about people who received the Gospel but then decided to leave it forever. Christ actually referenced such people in Matthew 13 verses 3, 5-6, & 20-21
3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.
5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.
20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
It is not possible for your previous sin to trump the love and Grace that God has for you. As God says in Romans 8:38-39New International Version (NIV)
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a]neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
What you have is not Condemnation, my friend, but a journey of repentance ahead of you!
Everybody sins, even after they get saved! If you sin after you get saved, just like EVERYBODY else, does that mean you lose your salvation? No. Because if that were the case then no one would ever get to heaven!
But maybe you're thinking "What about the fact that I sinned a lot." Doesn't matter, because Jesus is bigger than sin. Your biggest sin right now is actually doubting that Jesus can easily take your sin on! He can!
What you need now is not a lack of condemnation. You have that. What you need is repentance and growth out of the sins you do have into spiritual maturity. I pray God will prosper you my brother! Amen.
3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.
5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.
20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
It is not possible for your previous sin to trump the love and Grace that God has for you. As God says in Romans 8:38-39New International Version (NIV)
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a]neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
What you have is not Condemnation, my friend, but a journey of repentance ahead of you!
Everybody sins, even after they get saved! If you sin after you get saved, just like EVERYBODY else, does that mean you lose your salvation? No. Because if that were the case then no one would ever get to heaven!
But maybe you're thinking "What about the fact that I sinned a lot." Doesn't matter, because Jesus is bigger than sin. Your biggest sin right now is actually doubting that Jesus can easily take your sin on! He can!
What you need now is not a lack of condemnation. You have that. What you need is repentance and growth out of the sins you do have into spiritual maturity. I pray God will prosper you my brother! Amen.
Shalom... (peace) please remember context in scripture is very important... that said , the text you quoted has to do with believers who went back to offering sacrifice for sin at the temple, it has nothing to do with the prodigal son experience, I know I left my Savior for years before I came back... just remember this, if you didn't really matter and the Father was not drawing you,(John 6:44) it wouldn't matter to you about the Savior or church or anything, listen just pray and please read the book of John all the way through... let him speak to your heart, it is not man that judges us but him alone... be blessed and remember He came for sinners not the righteous........
[h=1]When my son was 16 he would look at pron. He would confess it to me and we would pray together. Yes, he would ask God for forgiveness, but I would also show him how those people in the porn are in bondage and they need to be free and they need to be saved. We would pray for those people in the name of Y-shua, because whom the Son sets free is free indeed. My son started seeing them not as an object for his carnal pleasure but real humans in need of a Savor in bondage to sin. One of the greatest all time scriptures in the Bible is Luke 4:18-19 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." The Scripture transcends all time, Y-shua is still saying this to you today!!! My son is now 25 years old and a free man. The Bible speaks a lot of carnal Christians. But they are still Christians. Sadly most of my 25+ year journey with my precious Messiah I have been more carnal than some great woman of G-d. However, my daily prayer is I will die well. I will run the race and I will end well and please my Lord. Is prn sin? Yes, it is. Are we to be holy for G-d is holy? Yes, we are. Did Y-shua pay the price just for the sins you committed before you got save or all of them your past, present and future? If you think porn is your only sin you’re in trouble. But He forgives them all. One of His great promises is if you seek Me you will find Me. If you knock the door will be opened. Keep seeking Him, He will set you free!!!! Let me ask you if the blood of Y-shua is enough to keep you saved can it keep you saved? This is my personal opinion and many probably won’t like it. But if I was going to lose my salvation because of sin, even those that so easily beset met me, I should have died as soon as I got saved (and all other Christians) or all of us would have lost our salvation. No, I’m of the mind if the blood of Y-shua can save me it’s powerful enough to keep me saved. I think you know you are saved because you are convicted by the Holy Spirit of your sin. [/h]
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Don't listen to the people who say you can live in sin and be saved they have no idea what Jesus taught. Don't listen to people who are saying they are going to hit others or that leading someone to repentance is bad fruit... Forget everything you have learned about religion and read the words of Christ for yourself, then you will begin to know the truth.
Yes, your past would be a false conversion. I have had a couple of them. So many false teachers out there, most on the radio and tv are false, it's unbelievable. The words of our Lord will set you straight.
Embrace the negative feelings you are having. They are the beginning of repentance, which means turning to God and turning from sin. It isn't easy for a young man to keep himself pure but it is possible as I have come to learn and live it.
This message from David Wilkerson is closer to the truth then most you will hear. The Lord is calling you out to be His, He is giving you understanding, He is knocking at the door. Open it and let Him in.
Check out the youtube videos on channel "holdingfirmly", they are right on as far as sin is concerned
Yes, your past would be a false conversion. I have had a couple of them. So many false teachers out there, most on the radio and tv are false, it's unbelievable. The words of our Lord will set you straight.
Embrace the negative feelings you are having. They are the beginning of repentance, which means turning to God and turning from sin. It isn't easy for a young man to keep himself pure but it is possible as I have come to learn and live it.
This message from David Wilkerson is closer to the truth then most you will hear. The Lord is calling you out to be His, He is giving you understanding, He is knocking at the door. Open it and let Him in.
Check out the youtube videos on channel "holdingfirmly", they are right on as far as sin is concerned
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)Romans 8;1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit
JERE, sit down and read the new testament from beginning to end. from front to back. read everyday, even just a page a day.
For what i am about to say, i hope y'all will understand how i am trying to help jere.
Jere, you don't need a church, or a pastor, or any youtube whatevers to give you the answers you are seeking.
The answers you seek in Christ are in the new testament. There you will find your personal relationship with Christ and who you are in Christ. There are wonderful more easy to read version out there today.
Christ is the church, and with Christ in your heart, that is where church begins, in your heart.
God bless
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Since you've been here longer than I have, I would have guessed you could use this site easier. To go back to a post you only read the first to sentences of, you can either go to the top of this thread or the bottom of this thread. Around there are links that tell you what page you're on, so you can decide which page you want to go back to. Handy-dandy device. (My answer was on page one.)
Next, you have to do something you have claimed you don't do on another thread. Read a whole post. Granted, I don't really care if you read all of what I said or not, until the moment you play cut-and-paste on what I really did say to make it look like I said something else. If you aren't going to read the whole thing, don't read the beginning either. It's fine. You're choice. Sure beats this game.
BUT, since you've decided you're above it all and you can just cut-and-paste a portion of what I said, to prove your pointless point. (And if something is pointless, this certainly fills the bill), let me just quote all of what I said in that whole paragraph, so people don't waste time thinking you're on to something.
(Italics added, since that's the part you chose to ignore.)
And since you've made this much bigger than it really is, let me clarify for you what I was thinking when I wrote that. I was a virgin when I was gang raped. I certainly do know what it is like to have a gun (well, in my case, it was an ax) to my head and to be forced to do what I did not want to do. I spent a couple of years wondering if I had sinned anyway or not. Even had a pastor tell me I did through no fault of my own.
Like this young man who asked this question, ultimately I came to the right conclusion. Since there really was an ax to my head, it wasn't sin. The partying too hard that got me there? Truly, truly that was sin. Clear enough for you? Or do you need to judge me some more?
I won't tell you what stand out about your post any more.
Next, you have to do something you have claimed you don't do on another thread. Read a whole post. Granted, I don't really care if you read all of what I said or not, until the moment you play cut-and-paste on what I really did say to make it look like I said something else. If you aren't going to read the whole thing, don't read the beginning either. It's fine. You're choice. Sure beats this game.
BUT, since you've decided you're above it all and you can just cut-and-paste a portion of what I said, to prove your pointless point. (And if something is pointless, this certainly fills the bill), let me just quote all of what I said in that whole paragraph, so people don't waste time thinking you're on to something.
(Italics added, since that's the part you chose to ignore.)
And since you've made this much bigger than it really is, let me clarify for you what I was thinking when I wrote that. I was a virgin when I was gang raped. I certainly do know what it is like to have a gun (well, in my case, it was an ax) to my head and to be forced to do what I did not want to do. I spent a couple of years wondering if I had sinned anyway or not. Even had a pastor tell me I did through no fault of my own.
Like this young man who asked this question, ultimately I came to the right conclusion. Since there really was an ax to my head, it wasn't sin. The partying too hard that got me there? Truly, truly that was sin. Clear enough for you? Or do you need to judge me some more?
I won't tell you what stand out about your post any more.
Thank you for your help brothers and sister. Im sorry if this question got you guys mad but it was just a lost sheep trying to get back with the rest but its hard knowing that you cant come back cause of your wilful sin. Thanks for posting guys i feel a bit better i need to seek jesus with all my heart and try my best for him to see im ready to come back in his arms.
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Cool! Thought that was where you were going. And, you're not nuts. You sensed what that preacher told you couldn't possibly be right. Christ followers aren't always right, but Christ is. He's also not passive. He works through you as you work through him. He is your try.
This is a marathon, not a sprint, but he gives us the strength to keep on keeping on. Lean on him. (I probably sound like an old foagie coming up with all these 70s words, but I'm a child of the 70s, and never updated my words. lol) I was a mess for as long as you've been a mess. If you haven't notice, I'm still messy. The good news is it's 25 years later for me, and that infuriating feeling I had with myself for going my own way after he saved me I've accepted as part of my stupidity. He miraculously saved me out of the drug addiction, I simply don't like the taste of alcohol, and if you have any kind of notion he'll let you off easily on all of your addictions, I'm still working on the cigarette addiction. (Now he's telling me to stop, so it's time.) Some times he makes it easy. All times he pulls us along to where we need to go. Any which way, at least you now know what NOT to do again. (That's the main lesson I learned out of all my stupidities. lol) And then he'll show you stuff that you never conceived was wrong before. It's in his book. We just need to read and study it, and then pray (constantly) for his help.
You've found your way back to the path he gave you years ago. I did the same thing at your age, so I'm a little further along. We both end up at the same place at the end, you, probably wiser than I. (Hard to be dumber than I am. lol) His doing. I've got all faith he will do it in you, because he loves you.
Also, I'm not mad at anyone. Just annoyed. Maybe in another 25 years, he'll get me to give that one up too. lol
You are sticking around this site, right? Assuming that's true, we don't have to say Bye. But, hey, welcome... bot to the site and back into the family. Warning, we are family, so it gets messy sometimes.
This is a marathon, not a sprint, but he gives us the strength to keep on keeping on. Lean on him. (I probably sound like an old foagie coming up with all these 70s words, but I'm a child of the 70s, and never updated my words. lol) I was a mess for as long as you've been a mess. If you haven't notice, I'm still messy. The good news is it's 25 years later for me, and that infuriating feeling I had with myself for going my own way after he saved me I've accepted as part of my stupidity. He miraculously saved me out of the drug addiction, I simply don't like the taste of alcohol, and if you have any kind of notion he'll let you off easily on all of your addictions, I'm still working on the cigarette addiction. (Now he's telling me to stop, so it's time.) Some times he makes it easy. All times he pulls us along to where we need to go. Any which way, at least you now know what NOT to do again. (That's the main lesson I learned out of all my stupidities. lol) And then he'll show you stuff that you never conceived was wrong before. It's in his book. We just need to read and study it, and then pray (constantly) for his help.
You've found your way back to the path he gave you years ago. I did the same thing at your age, so I'm a little further along. We both end up at the same place at the end, you, probably wiser than I. (Hard to be dumber than I am. lol) His doing. I've got all faith he will do it in you, because he loves you.
Also, I'm not mad at anyone. Just annoyed. Maybe in another 25 years, he'll get me to give that one up too. lol
You are sticking around this site, right? Assuming that's true, we don't have to say Bye. But, hey, welcome... bot to the site and back into the family. Warning, we are family, so it gets messy sometimes.