THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

popeye · Nov 25, 2014

VCO said:

AND the mid-trib theory goes in the round file too, because once this Antichrist who is a Dictator, or King, or President, or Prime Minister, who takes over the revived Roman Empire (European Union), arranges a Peace Treaty for Seven Years with Israel and her Enemies, and SIGNS it, that Signing Ceremony will be LIVE ON CNN. From that day on, we can COUNT the Days, and ONLY a Pre-Tribulation understanding leaves these verses TOTALLY in Tact and ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Matthew 24:36 (NASB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

And that message is so important that HE repeated it near the beginning of the very next Chapter, telling them to "Be On The Alert" and start watching for the Bridegroom to come for them from that day on.

Matthew 25:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.

Postrib position is one of cliche's.
"tribulation" to them ALWAYS means the GT.
(part of the confusion they park themselves in) as well as "trumpet","after" "1st" "Wicked taken"(does not exist),"1830's","mcDonald" ,"jesuit"
OMG,this is insane

VCO · Nov 25, 2014

popeye said:

The way I explain what really KNOWING Jesus is, compared to just head knowledge about Him, like the demons have, is:

It is an inner personal LOVE relationship with HIM, that is established when by the power of the Holy Spirit we repent and receive HIM as LORD, meaning MASTER.

Hence the missing LOVE relationship that leaves you WANTING to LOVE HIM back by Obeying HIM, is what these were missing:

Matthew 7:21-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

VCO · Nov 25, 2014

Matthew 28:18-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Then Jesus came near and said to them,“All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

So how close are we getting to accomplishing that Great Commission Goal ? Look what John Ankerberg is working on now:

<span class="JesusWords"><span class="JesusWords"><span style="color:#000000;">[video=youtube;0s7rLaC66yc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s7rLaC66yc[/video]

VCO · Nov 26, 2014

HAPPY THANKSGIVING everyone. All of you husbands, may want your wives to hear and see this video:

[video=youtube;WdQQJPboFyc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdQQJPboFyc[/video]

PlainWord · Nov 28, 2014

VCO said:

Mecca is located 27 miles from and above the Red Sea and sits on 7 hills. A nuclear device detonating in Mecca would certainly be seen by ships in the Red Sea and they would stand far off. The Red Sea is the 2nd largest shipping channel in the world, and is far busier than shipping around NYC. The Saudis have a deep water port for loading oil just south of Mecca. Oil is the "wine" of Saudi Arabia which all their kings have lived luxuriously from selling.

Hepsibah · Apr 10, 2015

The Muslims have an apocalyptic agenda written in their book that a muslim leader by name 'Mahdi' will arise in the end times, will perform mighty miracles and islamise the world. He will unite muslim nations, capture Israel and behead those who do not embrace islam

According to Revelation the antichrist or beast has ten horns. There is already a league of ten muslim nations under the banner "Economic Cooperation Organisation" with Iran as it's head. And in the prophecy of Daniel chapter 11 we see the king of North and king of south fighting. Now we see the enmity between Iran and Saudi Arabia in their fight in Yemen.

Moreover Iran signing the nuclear deal with the six countries (P 5+1 ) looks like the prophecy in Daniel where the antichrist makes a covenant with many for a week but will break it in the middle and sit in the temple of God.

Hepsibah · Apr 10, 2015

Moreover beheading as a capital punishment is never followed in any other country but muslim countries. And we read in Revelations that the saints were beheaded. And the false prophet mentioned in Revelation makes it clear that the kingdom of the beast is a religion based kingdom

MarcR · Apr 10, 2015

VCO said:

I know that there will be a lot of Christians who do not agree with me on this subject. However, when one studies the Jewish Wedding Traditions and how the apply to Christ Calling Out His Bride to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, it becomes obvious that it will happen prior to the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

Because of false teachers like Harold Camping and many others who have misrepresented and even changed the meaning of the term, I do not even like to use the term Rapture. Instead I prefer to call it what it really is, "The Calling Out of the Bride" for the Wedding of the Lamb, and I have found that most Conservative Evangelicals have pretty much the same beliefs about:

THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE (THE CHURCH - The sum total of all true believers, OT and NT):

To fully understand the significance of expressions, such as: "I go to prepare a place for you", or "a thief in the night", or "with the voice of an archangel", or "only the Father knows", you have to know the Jewish Wedding traditions. I can highly recommend the booklet "A Christian Love Story" by Zola Levitt that may still be available at his website. Or it can be found on Amazon.com, in Kindle format for less than two dollars.

If a man was seeking a bride 2000 years ago, he had to first go to the father and make a contract or covenant with the father for what price he wanted for the bride. The Father's price to redeem the Bride the Church, was a Holy Blood Sacrifice; 1 Cor. 6:20.

The price for the Bride would be payable immediately after the bride accepted the proposal (if she accepted); the man would be invited to a family sitdown supper, where he would propose. The proposal was NEVER VERBAL. He would pour a cup of wine and set it down in front of the woman he wanted to be his Bride. If she took the cup and drank from it, she was accepting his proposal. Jesus on the night of the Last Supper poured the cup of wine and passed it to the Disciples the Foundation of the Church, choosing the Church as his intended Bride. The Disciples drank from the Cup accepting the Proposal of Jesus Christ to the Church; Mat. 26:27.

Once she had taken the cup and drank from it, they immediately became known as Bride and Bridegroom for the entire betrothal period. Before the Bridegroom would leave the dwelling place of the Bride, he would stand and make a verbal announcement, "I go to prepare a place for you." YES, the very words of Jesus, come from the traditional Jewish Wedding Proposal; John 14:2-3.

When the Bridegroom left the old dwelling place of the Bride, he would never set foot in it again until after the Wedding Ceremony in the new dwelling place. Jesus has left the old dwelling place of the Bride, Earth; and He will not set foot on it again until after the Marriage of the Lamb to the Church, which takes place in New City Jerusalem He is building for his Bride; 1 Th. 4:17, Rev. 21:2, Mat. 24:30.

ONLY his father could decide, "The new dwelling place is finished, go get your Bride." He would periodically come and inspect the progress and make the son add this and that until the new dwelling place met his father's standards, because the young man may be too anxious to go get his Bride and cut corners to get done quickly. So literally NO ONE but the father knew when the Wedding would be. Jesus said that very thing, in Mark 13:32.

When the Bride would see signs that the new dwelling place was nearly finished, she would gather her wedding party at her place, and they all had to bring lamps with oil in them, because the traditional time for the Bridegroom to come and steal the Bride away was at night, usually around midnight. They would sleep over because they were not sure which night, just that it could be soon, and very soon. Hence the parable of Ten Virgins is telling a very familiar Wedding Story that every Jew would recognize, as their Wedding traditions; Mat. 25:1-13, 1 Th. 5:2.

When the father finally told his son, "The new dwelling place is finished, go get your bride." The Bridegroom would quickly gather his Wedding party, choosing one of them to Shout and call the Bride out of her old dwelling place. They would stop just outside the old dwelling place, NOT setting foot in it, while the chosen one would Shout and call the bride out. Jesus has already chosen the Archangel to Shout and call us out of our old dwelling place, Earth; 1 Th. 4:16-18.

The entire wedding party, would all go back to the new dwelling place for the 7 day Wedding Ceremony. Most Evangelicals, believe that the One Week Wedding Ceremony, and the 70th Week of Daniel is the Same Week of Years. After the Ceremony, the entire Wedding party would return to the old dwelling place of the Bride for the Wedding Feast. Then for the first time since the Proposal the bridegroom sets foot in the Old Dwelling Place of the Bride.

What about the Old Testament Saints? I believe the Bride is the some total of all true believers of all time.
We NT saints are those who believe Jesus is the Messiah and received HIM as Lord.
The OT saints are those who believed Messiah would come and received HIM as Lord.
See it, it is the same faith, the Faith of Abraham.

Jeremiah 2:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem: "'I remember the devotion of your youth, how as a bride you loved me and followed me through the desert, through a land not sown.

Isaiah 62:5 (ASV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee; andas the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Ephesians 5:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of the body.

Matthew 9:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And Jesus said to them, "Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.

2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”

Matt 25:1 (NKJV)
1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the Bridegroom.

The New Dwelling Place that HE promised build us in John 14:2, is the dwelling place every bridegroom built for his bride, in his father's house. And it will remain there, until after the Millennial Kingdom when it is lowered to the new earth still decorated from the like a bride from the Wedding of the Lamb that took place there. How do we get back and forth if we are to reign with him for that thousand years? It does not specifically say, but maybe that is why the story of Jacob's Ladder is in the Bible, to validate that those of us in our glorified bodies, that we will find that there is a way for us to reign as Priests (teachers of the children born in the KINGDOM to the 144,000 Jews), and still have our dwelling place in Heaven where our citizenship already is.

I have always seen the communion cup as a figure of the kiddush because of its association with the bread; and I still do.

However the same cup as a figure of the betrothal cup is not at all unreasonable, IMO.

VCO · Apr 10, 2015

MarcR said:

ZOLA LEVITT explains specifically which cup it was and which specific piece of bread.

ZLM Video Series: “The Seven Feasts of Israel”

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 10, 2015

Daniels 70th week.. 7 years.. during that time frame.. there will be 2 opposing 'gospels' being Preached.. the gospel according to the harlot of Revelation 17 the false bride, which in turn will use pharma ceutical behavorial medication (sorcery) to 'medicate' the masses to conform many to that 'false christian image' a man made image. .the Mark of Man. he/she that has wisdom let him/her be wise.. the Harlot of Revelation will be given the open door at the removal of He that Lets to try to produce Heaven on earth.. you see the foreshadowing of that that today.. many today are falling away. denying a harpazo, a literal Return of Jesus Christ from Heaven to Reign for 1000 years.., the Genuine Believer will 'taste the Wrath of God'.. go thru it to be refined persay...all these little schisms a precursor to the huge global falling away in which God will allow a man made gospel to attempt to build heave on Earth.. COUNTER this now with those who during Daniels 70th week are out Preaching and teaching of the soon LITERAL Return of Christ from Heaven.. this CONTRARY to the Harlot's attempt to create heaven on earth. a man made christ like utopia.. fueled by false signs wonders, kept in check by sorcery, pharmaceutical behavior medication, which is what the Word calls Idolatry!.. oh those are going to clash.. those called to Preach the coming Kingdom from Heaven. during that time.. the 2 Witnessess .. multitudes saved out of that time.. most only to give their lives for the Sake of Christ, when the Man of sin destroys the Harlot 3.5 years in and demands he be worshipped.. and then the blood bath occurs. the fruit of the man of sin revealed . a murderer, those Whose Names are not written in the Lamb's book of Life will follow him in wonder and amazment, believing he is the messiah.. he will initally come as a man of Peace. supernatural false peace working with fleshly Israel and her enemies.. only to turn on them 3.5 years in.. God has not called His own to face the Wrath of God TWICE.. that is Double jeopardy... God's Own.. their Wrath was placed on Christ when they crucified Him.... God's Own , His elect will not face the Wrath of God when He unloads His Judgments during Daniels 70th week.. if you think YOU WILL BE UNDER GODS JUDGMENT.. then you DO NOT UNDERSTAND what was done at Calvary and you need to examine yourself.. Truly.. God will take His Own Home. before He Pours out His Wrath on a rebellious mankind that was given an open door to create heaven on earth.. on his /her own Power without Heaven returning.. God's Character is to pull out His Own. Noah, Lot, indeed... God's elect will be Harpazo'd out of here ....He is looking for those who are LOOKING AND AWAITING His Return.. there is a Crown awaiting for those who love His Appearing..

Daniels 70th week: the Harlot of Revelation thrives, in false peace, given the opportunity to medicate the masses thru the pharmaceutical industry, in an attmept to create heaven on earth....medicating many into submission of what man has held out as the 'correct christ like 'image'.. the man of sin REVEALED, arising out of the Apostasia, bringing great Peace to fleshly Israel and her enemies. a global psudo christlike comminity formed. in the name of a false christ'.. only to come under the judgment of God.. and in the midst of that the Preaching of the Coming Kingdom of God from Heaven.. by those called to preach at that time and the 2 witnesses... NOTICE: Paul said. the man of sin cannot be revealed until He that LETS' or restrains is Removed---------> man of sin is revealed AFTER HE THAT lets is removed... and the man of sin comes with a Great Peace agenda for fleshly Israel and her enemies... thats at the beginning of Daniels 70th week.. indeed.... you realize that the Harlot of Revelation will take and use pharmaceutical 'meds' to 'image most people' into that man made christ like image.. replacing the BLOOD of Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the flesh, with pharmaceutical meds'. the ULTIMATE in blasphemy and mans height to achieve godhood.. the mark of man, the image of man, he/she that has wisdom let him/her be wise in the LORD.. indeed!

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 10, 2015

God's Elect are never apart of the Apostasia or falling away. HE WILL CALL THEM OUT.. even before He calls them Home to Heaven.. they will be called out of religious Apostasia.... its these called out ones.. PRIOR to Him coming for them. they will be such a thorn and pest in the the sides of the weeds-tares, that when He comes for them like a theif in the night.. those left here will be SO HAPPY THEY ARE GONE.. these who never got on board with their cut up apostate Christ... the earth when the Hapazo truly Happens.. will somewhat rejoice like it will when the 2 Witnesses are killed and their 2 bodies lie in the streets of Jerusalem , which harbors the Harlot, these 2 witnesses who preached the coming Kingdom of God and Preached against the Harlot , the Man of sin , and their abominations ..... GOD WILL CALL OUT HIS OWN FROM THE APOSTASIA prior to removing them.. 'be ye separate'.. Just like He did with Noah, and LOT.. Noah He provided an Ark to rise above the Judgement, Lot, He directed travel out of S/G to a safe haven before Judgment.. but REMEMBER LOTS'S wife.. she looked back and was destroyed!

PlainWord · Apr 12, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

God's Elect are never apart of the Apostasia or falling away. HE WILL CALL THEM OUT.. even before He calls them Home to Heaven.. they will be called out of religious Apostasia.... its these called out ones.. PRIOR to Him coming for them. they will be such a thorn and pest in the the sides of the weeds-tares, that when He comes for them like a theif in the night.. those left here will be SO HAPPY THEY ARE GONE.. these who never got on board with their cut up apostate Christ... the earth when the Hapazo truly Happens.. will somewhat rejoice like it will when the 2 Witnesses are killed and their 2 bodies lie in the streets of Jerusalem , which harbors the Harlot, these 2 witnesses who preached the coming Kingdom of God and Preached against the Harlot , the Man of sin , and their abominations ..... GOD WILL CALL OUT HIS OWN FROM THE APOSTASIA prior to removing them.. 'be ye separate'.. Just like He did with Noah, and LOT.. Noah He provided an Ark to rise above the Judgement, Lot, He directed travel out of S/G to a safe haven before Judgment.. but REMEMBER LOTS'S wife.. she looked back and was destroyed!

When the Church and Israel (the two witnesses) are spiritual killed in Sodom and Egypt, which is what's happening now, then the Lord's return will be imminent.

popeye · Apr 12, 2015

PlainWord said:

Feet,mouths,dead bodies,fire proceeding from mouths,Resurrection,etc

These are two persons.......not nations

PlainWord · Apr 15, 2015

popeye said:

Dragon-like fire breathing humans??? Have you seen any of them lately

? Get out of the physical, literal meanings and into the apocalyptic spiritual meaning. Study Biblical symbols and what they represent if you truly want to unlock the meaning of Revelation.

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 15, 2015

PlainWord said:

Yes these 2 Witnesses will have that Power......Literally... you need to be Led of the Spirit to understand Revelation.. rightly dividing the Word of Truth... on another note.. look at this From Zechariah, a prophetic verse written to shew that time when the LORD shall return from Heaven, A prophetic verse to show His Triumphant Return from Heaven.... Notice WHO iS WITH Him. when He returns, those who have Recieved their Resurrected Bodies.. ALREADY DONE!--------->

And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the Saints with thee. Zechariah 14

Notice the Saints have Recieved their Resurrected Bodies, they are not sitting here on Earth awaiting His Return, they have ALREADY BEEN GATHERED UNTO HIM, Indeed... this Chapter shows the literal place Christ will step down upon His Return from Heaven, Notice, its the same place He was Betrayed and arrested.... How Ironic, but in Truth, to show that God Himself has the FINAL SAY! indeed

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 15, 2015

Have to UNDERSTAND during Daniels 70th week.. two Gospels preached, the Gospel of the Kingom of Heaven, Soon returning from Heaven as Foretold! and the gospel of mans pseudo christian kingdom he/she will attempt to build on earth, as he/she is given the open door and sent strong delusion to believe the lie'... reaching a point of godhood, little gods, as 'christians'.. Man in his/ her fervor fueled by the dragon, satan, the spirit of lawlessness, the Mystery of Iniquity will pursue that 'fruit'.. tangible and backed up with false power signs and lying wonders, even calling fire down from heaven, as Elijah did, but FALSE. many will follow this 'kingdom'. because their NAMES ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE, the false global christlike corporate community will come under the Judgment of God as they replace the Blood of Christ, with behavior control medication to control and conform those persons into their apostate 'image'. they hold out and profess.... the foreshadowing of that is here today.. mans ultimate rebellion is to 'claim christ' yet replace His Redeeming Power found in His Blood, with pharmaceutical medication, there is alot of good medication out there, but behavior control medication will be the 'deception' Sorcery pharmakus USED to decieve the Gentile Nations and Israel, this forced and used by the Harlot of Revelation 17 as she is granted allowable power to push forward in the 'building of the kingdom', this ALLOWED by the Father, so that the Fullness of the Gentiles can come into the fold and to fulfill the Word of God.. indeed! he/she that has wisdom let him/her be wise!

popeye · Apr 15, 2015

PlainWord said:

Not likely when you read the description.

Has to be a globall player.(and corrupter like our very own demonic sick hollywwood that has us championing Jezebel to the entire globe.

Mecca?.......not even remotely possible. They make nothing

popeye · Apr 15, 2015

PlainWord said:

The church's dead body will lay in the streets of Jerusalem?

What is your "take" on their death,corpse,and resurrection/rapture?

Let me guess.....you need a way out of the misplaced "1st res" you invented from the spin job of rev 20?

You are literally inventing a whole bizarre privately interppreted bible.

2 witness are not 2 witnesses
Mark is not a mark
!st resurrection is about the 4th in your viewpoint
Babylon is the smallest city in the world.

popeye · Apr 15, 2015

PlainWord said:

Robes are robes
heaven is heaven
saints are saints
martyrs are martyrs
hail is hail
LOF is LOF

The symbolic stuff is symbolic stuff.

No brainer

MarcR · Apr 15, 2015

VCO said:

Zola Levitt is an interesting guy. He is usually right about 40% of the time, close to right about 40% of the time; and off the wall about 20% of the time. Sometimes he manages all three in the same sentence.

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