THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

[PlainWord]

Your map is the focus of the prophets for certain

.... not sure that Saudi Arabia is the "woman" though .... might be a bigger one

At any rate the Lord will call His true ecclesia [bride] out of this "woman" [Revelation 3:10; 18:4]

.... just before the beginning of the tribulation [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8]

There is absolutely no doubt about the identity and location of the Woman.

“Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, [SUP]2 [/SUP]with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

[SUP]3 [/SUP]So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast...

Another translation for wilderness is desert. MECCA is the only religious city located in a desert. MECCA is the religious center of ISLAM. References to Mecca in the Quran (6:92, 42:5) call it Umm al-Qura, meaning "MOTHER of all settlements."

Islam is the Mother of all false religions. MECCA is considered the location where Ishmael dwelled and of course later Muhammad. It is also one of the areas where the Jews wandered in the "desert" or wilderness after they escaped Egypt and crossed the dead sea. It was here, in Saudi Arabia, where the Israelites made the golden calf to worship while Moses was on Mt. Sinai.

The Bride, per se, is not called out of Mecca. However, God's people are ordered out of her so that they will not share in her plagues to come.

“Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues..."

This is not a reference to the entire body of Christ being located here. It is a merely a warning to those believers who are there to leave. You see, history repeats and there is nothing new under the sun.

Isaiah 13:20
It will never be inhabited, Nor will it be settled from generation to generation; Nor will the Arabian pitch tents there, Nor will the shepherds make their sheepfolds there.

Isaiah 21:13
[ Proclamation Against Arabia ] The burden against Arabia. In the forest in Arabia you will lodge, O you traveling companies of Dedanites.

Jeremiah 25:24
all the kings of Arabia and all the kings of the mixed multitude who dwell in the desert;

 

[Straightshot]

Sheba and Dedan are listed ..... and Muslims

I would suggest to your tags are even a bit out of the focus .... but that's OK .... you are in the region

Russia is not in the vision and Magog and his brothers first settled in the lands of northwestern Mesopotamia

.... later to be displaced by the Assyrians ....same core land .... Nineveh province on the Tigris [Mosul, Iraq]

All of the post flood inhabitants were tightly positioned and then migrated further out and even to other continents

The Lord uses the original land designates in the vision because if not .... it would be impossible to trace the mixings and migrations for focus upon the Middle East proper .... which is the stage for the time appointed

Notice that the human little horn of Daniel's visions is called "the Assyrian" [Micah 5]

There is a reason for this connotation .... this is where the king of the north will arise

Ezekiel is to set his face against the "land" and against Satan [gog]in the vision [Ezekiel 38:17]

It is Satan who nests in the region designated and he is the instigator of his beast in the human little horn that will attack Israel at the time appointed

 

[Straightshot]

I do not necessarily agree with Walid Shoebat's idea about Saudi Arabia being the "woman" of Revelation 18

.... it is possible, but not likely

It is Satan's beast in the 11th king and the 10 others who will attack the "woman" and destroy "her" in one day .... never to rise again

I do see another possibility because of the enormous financial and economic dominance that the "woman" has over the nations of the earth .... I don't think that the Saudis fill the shoes at this time

 

[VCO]

Thank you for this so special thread, with the perspective from jewish wedding, I didn't know yet so much details about it. =)

God Bless!

Amen, thank you! It is a blessing to know there are those who are appreciative, and still coming to the Knowledge of the Truth. Know that whenever we share such info, the Scoffers will come like wolves attacking the Flock.

2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”

 

[VCO]

I do not necessarily agree with Walid Shoebat's idea about Saudi Arabia being the "woman" of Revelation 18

.... it is possible, but not likely

It is Satan's beast in the 11th king and the 10 others who will attack the "woman" and destroy "her" in one day .... never to rise again

I do see another possibility because of the enormous financial and economic dominance that the "woman" has over the nations of the earth .... I don't think that the Saudis fill the shoes at this time

Revelation 18:16-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] saying: Woe, woe, the great city, dressed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for in a single hour such fabulous wealth was destroyed! And every shipmaster, seafarer, the sailors, and all who do business by sea, stood far off
[SUP]18 [/SUP] as they watched the smoke from her burning and kept crying out: “Who is like the great city?”
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They threw dust on their heads and kept crying out, weeping, and mourning: Woe, woe, the great city, where all those who have ships on the sea became rich from her wealth, for in a single hour she was destroyed.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Rejoice over her, heaven, and you saints, apostles, and prophets, because God has executed your judgment on her!
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Then a mighty angel picked up a stone like a large millstone and threw it into the sea, saying: In this way, Babylon the great city will be thrown down violently and never be found again.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters will never be heard in you again; no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again; the sound of a mill will never be heard in you again;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] the light of a lamp will never shine in you again; and the voice of a groom and bride will never be heard in you again. ⌊All this will happen⌋ because your merchants were the nobility of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and the blood of prophets and saints, and of all those slaughtered on earth, was found in you.


IT IS A MAJOR SEA PORT, PERHAPS THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD. Do you not know that the Statue of Liberty was modeled after a statue of the Babylonian Goddes, Ishtar, who ALSO was pictured on occasion wearing a seven spiked crown? John was very familiar with that pagan religion of his time that worshipped Ishtar, and what do you think he would of called a City with a HUGE statue of Ishtar in the harbor, wearing Ishtar's famous seven spiked crown?

 

[PlainWord]

Sheba and Dedan are listed ..... and Muslims

I would suggest to your tags are even a bit out of the focus .... but that's OK .... you are in the region

Russia is not in the vision and Magog and his brothers first settled in the lands of northwestern Mesopotamia

.... later to be displaced by the Assyrians ....same core land .... Nineveh province on the Tigris [Mosul, Iraq]

All of the post flood inhabitants were tightly positioned and then migrated further out and even to other continents

The Lord uses the original land designates in the vision because if not .... it would be impossible to trace the mixings and migrations for focus upon the Middle East proper .... which is the stage for the time appointed

Notice that the human little horn of Daniel's visions is called "the Assyrian" [Micah 5]

There is a reason for this connotation .... this is where the king of the north will arise

Ezekiel is to set his face against the "land" and against Satan [gog]in the vision [Ezekiel 38:17]

It is Satan who nests in the region designated and he is the instigator of his beast in the human little horn that will attack Israel at the time appointed

You are making some assumptions about scripture that is not clear. The "Assyrian" of Micah is not called "the Little Horn" by Micah. It is unclear if the "Assyrian" is a singular person or if it is a group from Syria. Regardless, the Woman is a False Religion riding the BEAST empire. The Woman is also a city in the desert. MECCA is the only city that fits every description given to this woman.

The "little horn" is a reference to the Man of Sin of Daniel 7 and 8. Satan's throne is in Pergamus which is in Turkey. Constantinople is known as the "Golden Horn."

[SUP]12 [/SUP]“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,

‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: [SUP]13 [/SUP]“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.

The 8th Beast kingdom is of the 7 and the 7th was the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was mortally wounded, died in 1922 but yet lives because it will return and align with Syria, Iraq and Iran among others. Those are the facts.

 

[PlainWord]

IT IS A MAJOR SEA PORT, PERHAPS THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD. Do you not know that the Statue of Liberty was modeled after a statue of the Babylonian Goddes, Ishtar, who ALSO was pictured on occasion wearing a seven spiked crown? John was very familiar with that pagan religion of his time that worshipped Ishtar, and what do you think he would of called a City with a HUGE statue of Ishtar in the harbor, wearing Ishtar's famous seven spiked crown?

The author of the above, VCO, has apparently blocked himself from seeing my posts. That's fine. He cannot handle anyone who disagrees with him. The idea that NYC is Babylon is totally ridiculous regardless of the Statue of Liberty comparison which I agree with. First off, NYC is not a religious city and there is no world religion head quartered there. Secondly, NYC cannot be described as being in the desert or wilderness which is where John was taken to see this WOMAN. Third, people would not be throwing dust on their heads to mourn NYC when she burns. That is not a western custom. However, it is a Muslim custom. Fourth, NYC is not located on 7 hills. Fifth, jackals would not inhabit NYC as they are not indigenous to the area. Sixth, NYC has no historic significance to Biblical events. Seventh, NYC does not export any significant oil for the "kings" in the area to become rich. Eighth, the blood of prophets and saints are not found in NYC. They are, however, found in Islam. Ninth, The sound of "harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters will never be heard in you again" has no connection to NYC music. It is connected to Muslim worship music and these same instruments were used in the original Babylon, See Dan 2, to worship the image Nebuchadnezzar set up there.

VCO thinks everything relates to him and America when America has been just a blimp on the radar of time.

 

[ELECT]

Revelation 18:16-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] saying: Woe, woe, the great city, dressed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for in a single hour such fabulous wealth was destroyed! And every shipmaster, seafarer, the sailors, and all who do business by sea, stood far off
[SUP]18 [/SUP] as they watched the smoke from her burning and kept crying out: “Who is like the great city?”
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They threw dust on their heads and kept crying out, weeping, and mourning: Woe, woe, the great city, where all those who have ships on the sea became rich from her wealth, for in a single hour she was destroyed.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Rejoice over her, heaven, and you saints, apostles, and prophets, because God has executed your judgment on her!
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Then a mighty angel picked up a stone like a large millstone and threw it into the sea, saying: In this way, Babylon the great city will be thrown down violently and never be found again.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters will never be heard in you again; no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again; the sound of a mill will never be heard in you again;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] the light of a lamp will never shine in you again; and the voice of a groom and bride will never be heard in you again. ⌊All this will happen⌋ because your merchants were the nobility of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and the blood of prophets and saints, and of all those slaughtered on earth, was found in you.


IT IS A MAJOR SEA PORT, PERHAPS THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD. Do you not know that the Statue of Liberty was modeled after a statue of the Babylonian Goddes, Ishtar, who ALSO was pictured on occasion wearing a seven spiked crown? John was very familiar with that pagan religion of his time that worshipped Ishtar, and what do you think he would of called a City with a HUGE statue of Ishtar in the harbor, wearing Ishtar's famous seven spiked crown?

Babylon the great is the vatican city not NYC

 

[PlainWord]

Babylon the great is the vatican city not NYC

Hi dear friend. Can I make a suggestion? List all the things we are told about Babylon and see which city in the world fits everything on the list. I submit, only MECCA fits them all.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Revelation 18:16-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] saying: Woe, woe, the great city, dressed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for in a single hour such fabulous wealth was destroyed! And every shipmaster, seafarer, the sailors, and all who do business by sea, stood far off
[SUP]18 [/SUP] as they watched the smoke from her burning and kept crying out: “Who is like the great city?”
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They threw dust on their heads and kept crying out, weeping, and mourning: Woe, woe, the great city, where all those who have ships on the sea became rich from her wealth, for in a single hour she was destroyed.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Rejoice over her, heaven, and you saints, apostles, and prophets, because God has executed your judgment on her!
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Then a mighty angel picked up a stone like a large millstone and threw it into the sea, saying: In this way, Babylon the great city will be thrown down violently and never be found again.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters will never be heard in you again; no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again; the sound of a mill will never be heard in you again;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] the light of a lamp will never shine in you again; and the voice of a groom and bride will never be heard in you again. ⌊All this will happen⌋ because your merchants were the nobility of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and the blood of prophets and saints, and of all those slaughtered on earth, was found in you.


IT IS A MAJOR SEA PORT, PERHAPS THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD. Do you not know that the Statue of Liberty was modeled after a statue of the Babylonian Goddes, Ishtar, who ALSO was pictured on occasion wearing a seven spiked crown? John was very familiar with that pagan religion of his time that worshipped Ishtar, and what do you think he would of called a City with a HUGE statue of Ishtar in the harbor, wearing Ishtar's famous seven spiked crown?

Walvoord always said that, to correctly understand scripture, one must pay attention to all the details. Revelation 18 cannot be Rome or Babylon rebuilt. It must involve a city that has deep water ports and very busy world commerce by sea, that port city seen by all these vessels offshore, burning. This isn't a symbolic scene, rather something that could be filmed with currect earthly accoutrements of life in the big port city. The Revelation Babylon is a global powerhouse of commerce of all conceivable goods, the nation a market for world commerce, surely with a huge trade deficit. Rome strikes out on both ports and economic powerhouse counts, as well as any conceivable rebuilding of Babylon, Iraq, ever. It's the details, in terms of scripture, one strike and you're out, just like all the false prophets people still love. Reading Revelation 18, and considerable scripture of Jeremiah and Isaiah, especially any post-tribber, I'd probably rather be holed up somewhere else than NYC or LA, maybe on the moon, with a cyanide pill.

 

[popeye]

I was hoping you would watch ALL SEVEN of Zola Levitt's videos, and read the link to the JEWISH WEDDING CUSTOMS.

The Wedding Supper in a Jewish Wedding is ALWAYS held the LAST evening of the seventh Day of the Wedding Ceremony. The Wedding of Christ, I believe will be a week of years. The Entire WEEK is spent in the New Dwelling Place, the Bridegroom built in HIS FATHER's House, that FINAL EVENING, the ENTIRE Wedding Party goes back to the BRIDE's OLD DWELLING PLACE, for the Wedding Supper. In our CASE THAT IS EARTH.

If you are truly going to try to align Biblical Prophecy verses about the End Times you HAVE TO read them all, in both the N.T. and in the O.T. THEN you will find out that the LAST day of Antichrist's RULE, and the First Day of Christ becoming King of the World IS the exact same DAY. The Wedding Supper is the Evening of that very same day:

Zechariah 14:3-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle. {SEE REV. 19.}
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley {that is the 144,000 Descendants of Israel.}, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike. {That is a STRONG indication that He is talking about a Week of YEARS, not a week of literal days. Therefore that Seventh year of the WEEK of Years that the Antichrist makes a Peace Treaty with ISRAEL, is the DAY HE is talking about.}
[SUP]9 [/SUP] On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”


You all are trying to make this complicated and hard to understand, when it really is simple, if you read all the pertinent verses and study the Jewish Feasts and Jewish Wedding Traditions.

Why didn't GOD put it all together in one book in chronological order? Perhaps, because HE likes to see you really digging through His WORD to find the answers.

If you are truly going to try to align Biblical Prophecy verses about the End Times you HAVE TO read them all, in both the N.T. and in the O.T. THEN you will find out that the LAST day of Antichrist's RULE, and the First Day of Christ becoming King of the World IS the exact same DAY. The Wedding Supper is the Evening of that very same day:

Precisely why we would NOT want to factor out the fact that the 1444k are in heaven,as I have proven,DURING THE GT.
Since they are in heaven they can not be those you mentioned in Zac.

The Wedding Supper is the Evening of that very same day

Where is this? link? verse?

I was hoping you would watch ALL SEVEN of Zola Levitt's videos, and read the link to the JEWISH WEDDING CUSTOMS.

Takes a long time. Which feast are you comparing w/ the marriage feast?

that FINAL EVENING, the ENTIRE Wedding Party goes back to the BRIDE's OLD DWELLING PLACE, for the Wedding Supper. In our CASE THAT IS EARTH.

I have never seen this "back to brides house" format...ever.
Where did you get this from?
You are basically saying that we celebrate with a feast amongst rotting bodies,as BILLIONS die from the wrath and BILLIONS more from the battle IN ISRAEL. The stench will be unbearable. I am not buying it,or can see ANY PURPOSE IN THAT THEORY.

Yes the bride and groom in fact do return to the earth,but to my knowledge that is not a "wedding custom". In fact I just visited 3 more sites and found no such custom. One of which is JewishEncyclopedia.com

Would be interested if you can substantiate this.

 

[JesusIsAll]

You are basically saying that we celebrate with a feast amongst rotting bodies,as BILLIONS die from the wrath and BILLIONS more from the battle IN ISRAEL. The stench will be unbearable.

Well, that's one way to save on the catering.

 

[VCO]

Babylon the great is the vatican city not NYC

LOOK AGAIN, THAT CITY is a Great Sea Port. The last time I checked Vatican City is STILL not a Sea Port.


Revelation 18:16-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]saying: Woe, woe, the great city, dressed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]for in a single hour such fabulous wealth was destroyed! And every shipmaster, seafarer, the sailors, and all who do business by sea, stood far off
[SUP]18 [/SUP]as they watched the smoke from her burning and kept crying out: “Who is like the great city?”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]They threw dust on their heads and kept crying out, weeping, and mourning: Woe, woe, the great city, where all those who have ships on the sea became rich from her wealth, for in a single hour she was destroyed.

 

[popeye]

To Popeye,



Let me turn your attention to Rev 7:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice... saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand...

The above 144,000 are compared and contrasted with the Great Multitude in heaven. This contrast is also found in Isa 65. Further, the 144,000 are seen with the Lamb on Mt. Zion after the Lamb returns (Rev 14). In Rev 17 they are called, "Faithful and Chosen." They were redeemed from men being "Firstfruits" to the Lamb and to God. These 144K are the ELECT mentioned in Mat 24 for which the days are shortened.

Nothing that I am aware of says that the Great Multitude in Heaven are "sealed and protected." They are certainly not protected from death. They are the Saints whom the BEAST (Islam) makes war with and overcomes. The Lamb with the 144K are not overcome, they defeat Islam (Rev 17:14).



No, all are not beheaded w/o the mark. There are two concepts being discussed here. First, let's examine the passage that I think you are referencing.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

This reference does not contain the "mark." This passage deals with worship of the image of Islam. There is no use of the word, "all" here. The reference is to "as many as would not worship the image of (Islam) to be killed." You have to understand the context of this passage. Do you see the phrase "granted power" which starts this passage? This power is not over the entire world, this power is limited to 1/4 of the "earth" which is the Islamic world. Compare with Rev 6, the Fourth Seal, which deals with Radical Islam - the Power which exists today. Notice the scope of the power.

And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts (Islamic Nations) of the earth.

Therefore, the "Beast" or ISLAM will kill those who do not align with their new mandate to worship the "Image of the Beast." There is a big change coming within Islam. The traditional way of worship at Mecca with those circling the Kaaba Stone, trying to kiss the stone as if it were a woman, then falling down and worshiping the stone will be forced to an end. Instead, the Northern Islamic Beast headed by Turkey with its ruler will place himself above their god, ALLAH and all that is called God. The Southern Muslims headed by Saudi Arabia will not go along with this new worship and they will wage war with each other. Mecca (Mystery Babylon - the WOMAN, the HARLOT) will be utterly destroyed by the Northern Beast. Those who do not swear allegiance to the Northern Islamic group and who refuse to take their "mark" or their name or number of their name will not be allowed to engage in trade - Buy or Sell. ISIS is talking about launching their own currency now. If you don't have their currency and accept their mark, name or number of their name, within the areas they control, you will not be allowed to engage in trade - buy and sell.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Again, the "ALL" here deals with the Islamic region of which Israel is in the middle. The King of the North (AKA Man of Sin, who you call "AntiChrist") does not worship the god of his fathers - ALLAH. He worships a foreign god - a god of fortresses (military power) and of wealth. He also blasphemes the true God and puts himself above everything. Daniel 11 describes this "king" of Turkey.

[SUP]37 [/SUP]He shall regard neither the Godof his fathers (ALLAH) nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses (MILITARY POWER); and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things (WEALTH). [SUP]39 [/SUP]Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses (MECCA/JERUSALEM/SAUDI/EGYPT, etc) with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many (not all), and divide the land for gain (He will conquer and take over much of the southern Islam empire).

You need to understand that Radical Islam, which preaches death to anyone who will not convert to their radical agenda, will consolidate power in the North where 10 "kingdoms" will unite and follow "the Man of Sin." This Man of Sin (who I believe will come from Turkey) will hate and attack fellow Muslims who disagree with their agenda. Of course they hate Israel and Christians and will behead them whenever and wherever they can, but they also hate traditional Islam. They hate the Saudis and they especially hate the current form of worship of traditional Islam.

This hatred that ISIS has for the Saudis, applies to Egypt as well because Egypt has rejected the Muslim Brotherhood in favor of secularism, like the Saudis. ISIS is calling for the destruction of Saudi Arabia now. We know they eventual succeed and that the destroy MECCA = the HARLOT because it is foretold everywhere.

No, all are not beheaded w/o the mark. There are two concepts being discussed here. First, let's examine the passage that I think you are referencing.

4 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[/FONT]OK see that? Failure to Worship his image ,refuse the mark,either way you will die.If you miss the gathering of the 5 wise,get a fellow believer to help you make a dotted line on your neck w/a sharpie and write above it "cut here"

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I believe you are carrying through conjecture,implying the AC is not in control of the world (or some other belief)

"all" is even qualified by the word to include "all" humanoids. It does not say "many or "some" or "most"

Let me understand your logic. "all" never means "all"? "All" sometimes means "all"?[/FONT]

 

[VCO]

Precisely why we would NOT want to factor out the fact that the 1444k are in heaven,as I have proven,DURING THE GT.
Since they are in heaven they can not be those you mentioned in Zac.


Where is this? link? verse?

[/COLOR]
Takes a long time. Which feast are you comparing w/ the marriage feast?



I have never seen this "back to brides house" format...ever.
Where did you get this from?
You are basically saying that we celebrate with a feast amongst rotting bodies,as BILLIONS die from the wrath and BILLIONS more from the battle IN ISRAEL. The stench will be unbearable. I am not buying it,or can see ANY PURPOSE IN THAT THEORY.

Yes the bride and groom in fact do return to the earth,but to my knowledge that is not a "wedding custom". In fact I just visited 3 more sites and found no such custom. One of which is JewishEncyclopedia.com

Would be interested if you can substantiate this.

LOOK AGAIN the 144,000 are not in heaven, but here on Earth Fleeing East out of Jerusalem, where they will be protected in the Mountains. You really did not read the verses I posted DID YOU? AND YOU DID NOT READ THE LINKS TO JEWISH WEDDING CUSTOMS EITHER, DID YOU?

 

[popeye]

Well, that's one way to save on the catering.

LOL
The problem with allegory is knowing when to stop. Most of the time when the "extras" begin to enter the picture the base subject disappears and conjecture goes haywire.
Enter the 10 virgin parable. It is hilarious watching a postrib interpret it.

 

[popeye]

LOOK AGAIN the 144,000 are not in heaven, but here on Earth Fleeing East out of Jerusalem, where they will be protected in the Mountains. You really did not read the verses I posted DID YOU? AND YOU DID NOT READ THE LINKS TO JEWISH WEDDING CUSTOMS EITHER, DID YOU?

You posted 2,I went to both.I found no such "return to brides dwelling" Seems you should be able to capture the quotes from your sites and show us?
The 144k are in fact in heaven.
I already addressed it in a previous post.The verses were also provided. Did you ignore the verses?

You really did not read the verses I posted DID YOU?

Sure did. They did not affirm your position

 

[popeye]

Amen, thank you! It is a blessing to know there are those who are appreciative, and still coming to the Knowledge of the Truth. Know that whenever we share such info, the Scoffers will come like wolves attacking the Flock.

2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”

Indeed.
This has to be the most fascinating dimension of end times.

 

[JesusIsAll]

LOL
The problem with allegory is knowing when to stop. Most of the time when the "extras" begin to enter the picture the base subject disappears and conjecture goes haywire.
Enter the 10 virgin parable. It is hilarious watching a postrib interpret it.

LOL! My side hurt, reading your stench comment. That's the funniest thing I've seen in weeks! Now, there was this MacDonald's in a very seedy and smelly part of Newark that, actually, did a brisk business...

Allegory = Whatever You Want. Yes, truth limited by only the imagination. Just conjecture, but a lot of them probably got bored with Nostradamus and decided to try their hand at the Bible. Aren't the ten virgins an allegory to an incomplete oil pipeline at the end of the tribulation and setting half the people to finding alternative fuels?

 

[popeye]

LOL! My side hurt, reading your stench comment. That's the funniest thing I've seen in weeks! Now, there was this MacDonald's in a very seedy and smelly part of Newark that, actually, did a brisk business...

Allegory = Whatever You Want. Yes, truth limited by only the imagination. Just conjecture, but a lot of them probably got bored with Nostradamus and decided to try their hand at the Bible. Aren't the ten virgins an allegory to an incomplete oil pipeline at the end of the tribulation and setting half the people to finding alternative fuels?

LOL
There is a funny utube of some locals trying to get rid of a rotting whale on their beach.
Some smart guy suggested dynamite....lol
It just spread the rotting stench.....really funny