When does the rapture occur?

[JesusIsAll]

Turned on the radio today, and Adrian Rogers was teaching on the rapture of the church. Like all things, Adrian taught this well, clear, accessible. So, if there's anybody here who can stand a good Bible teacher, is tired of the post-trib quacks, or is a post-trib quack who won't melt into a smokey puddle, like the Wicked Witch of the West, here's the link,

The Midnight Cry and the Rapture of the Church <-- click here

Don't know how long the link will be good, so, like the rapture, you better git while the gittin' is good.​

 

[popeye]

Turned on the radio today, and Adrian Rogers was teaching on the rapture of the church. Like all things, Adrian taught this well, clear, accessible. So, if there's anybody here who can stand a good Bible teacher, is tired of the post-trib quacks, or is a post-trib quack who won't melt into a smokey puddle, like the Wicked Witch of the West, here's the link,

The Midnight Cry and the Rapture of the Church <-- click here

Don't know how long the link will be good, so, like the rapture, you better git while the gittin' is good.​

Well,I certainly hope he can explain why we come apart when the rapture is exposed as false,and us pretribs fall on the floor and pound our fists like 2 yr olds and write satan on or foreheads backwards with magic markers cause we did it in a mirror.

I mean he does go into the deep things of postrib ......I hope?????? ( the mystery of the backwards forehead satan....EXPOSED....part 10?)

 

[JesusIsAll]

Well,I certainly hope he can explain why we come apart when the rapture is exposed as false,and us pretribs fall on the floor and pound our fists like 2 yr olds and write satan on or foreheads backwards with magic markers cause we did it in a mirror.

I mean he does go into the deep things of postrib ......I hope?????? ( the mystery of the backwards forehead satan....EXPOSED....part 10?)

Sorry. Adrian is more prone to just laying out, concentrating on, Bible truth, doesn't as much care about details of these false doctrines of the riffraff.

 

[Skgrim]

I don't know if this is true or not , it makes sence though.

My next door neighbor says hey will be putting a chip in us and if we do not have it you will not be able to go to the Dr, by food, gas actually nothing if you do not let them put this chip in you.it like the one they already use for medical purposes its just the beginning. But when Ibama calls Marshall Law when it gets closer to him giving up his power. That's when it's the beginning of the tribulation. It's not going to be like you think God is not going to sweep down and pick up all you good Christians and take you off to heaven. There will be very few spared. Even the ones that are truly trying to obey God, when they start getting tortured they will denounce God and go with Satan. We brought it all in our selves for letting all this sin on the earth. It's just not ok to live the way we do. Do you not remember why he got rid of Sodom and Gomorrah. It's not ok to be a homsexual.But to teach its ok to our children. Come on. It's not ok for straight people to be out there having sex with each other unless you are married . And you can't use divorce to jump into someone else's bed either. Every day on the news there more killings. I leave my home when I absolutely have to. I can only imagine what God must be thinking about how out of control humans get with out laws. Without them this is what happens.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

the coming mark of the beast, or mark of man, will not be a chip.. but a tattoo, 'inscribed into the forehead or right hand ' of those whose names have not been written in the Lamb's Book of Life, micro chips during the Great Tribulation, will not be viable because of the Judgments of God, the heavens and literal earth will be shaken, so that any satellite, tv radio will be minimal, even satellites being knocked out of the sky.. indeed, the Man of sin will have a perfect answer for those following him, a tattoo, no transaction necessary, all things revolving around him and his ability to supply those needs.. mimicing God Himself, those who take the mark or tattoo will come under the Judgment of God and will face His Wrath, and seal their eternal state , which is Gehenna Fire.. you have to understand during Daniels 70th week, because of the Judgments of God, infrastructure will be destroyed and become very limited.. any of that will be useful only to promote the man of sin and his kingdom.. those who worship and follow him. will use that ... plus they will murder Genuine Converts , those that come out of the Great Tribulation, by giving their lives for His Testimony.... He ALREADY knows who those people will be.. indeed.. look up the word 'mark' in the Greek, understand .... why do you have 'tattoo's so popular today? that is the reason.. a prepping of the masses for the coming mark...the mark of man, the number of man, he/she that has wisdom let him/her be wise!

 

[MarcR]

the coming mark of the beast, or mark of man, will not be a chip.. but a tattoo, 'inscribed into the forehead or right hand ' of those whose names have not been written in the Lamb's Book of Life, micro chips during the Great Tribulation, will not be viable because of the Judgments of God, the heavens and literal earth will be shaken, so that any satellite, tv radio will be minimal, even satellites being knocked out of the sky.. indeed, the Man of sin will have a perfect answer for those following him, a tattoo, no transaction necessary, all things revolving around him and his ability to supply those needs.. mimicing God Himself, those who take the mark or tattoo will come under the Judgment of God and will face His Wrath, and seal their eternal state , which is Gehenna Fire.. you have to understand during Daniels 70th week, because of the Judgments of God, infrastructure will be destroyed and become very limited.. any of that will be useful only to promote the man of sin and his kingdom.. those who worship and follow him. will use that ... plus they will murder Genuine Converts , those that come out of the Great Tribulation, by giving their lives for His Testimony.... He ALREADY knows who those people will be.. indeed.. look up the word 'mark' in the Greek, understand .... why do you have 'tattoo's so popular today? that is the reason.. a prepping of the masses for the coming mark...the mark of man, the number of man, he/she that has wisdom let him/her be wise!

Interesting and plausible. I'll need to think about it for a while before I know if I agree.

 

[VCO]

Or,one option.(if I get one of your "options" i get the other 2.....hello?)





Or,one could just go with the obvious right?....(an actual "mark,chip,barcode",whatever.....)

You think merchants are going to hold an envelope to their heads (karnac) and see "spiritually" that you have a "spiritual mark"

BTW,where is the link to your maps and this 'spiritual mark"?

This I posted on a different thread a couple years ago. But since we are discussing the MARK here now, it is appropriate to post it here too:

TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST

No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

Revelation 13:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.


WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST


The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.

HERE IS THE RFID MICROCHIP TV ADVERT 100% PROOF IT IS HERE - YouTube

IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market - YouTube

Hitachi Releases 2.5mm C1G2 Durable RFID Tag: Host Louis Sirico - YouTube

Under Your SkinThe War against Freedom – Human Biochip Implant

Microchip Implants

Bio-chip implant arrives for cashless transactions

Tianhe-2 Tops Supercomputer List > ENGINEERING.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GovcXrEVCc

 

[Skgrim]

The Mark of the Beast is the Pope

 

[Blain]

The Mark of the Beast is the Pope

?? How does the pope go on the right hand and on the forehead?

 

[Bowhunter2394]

?? How does the pope go on the right hand and on the forehead?

the pope or the RCC is not the mark of the beast, the RCC will merge into that big jello mold that is called the Harlot of Rev 17. both are anti christ in nature.. but they are not the mark of the beast! the coming Tattoo will be engraved to show servitude and WORSHIP unto the man of sin, or the dragon.. in his kingdom which is short lived, satan will be given the chance to 'be like God'.. his slanderous cry from the very beginning.. but God will NOT ALLOW it as he and his kingdom and kingdom followers will be Judged in the Big Eternal Combine, Jesus Starts, when He begins to open the Seals!

 

[PlainWord]

Or,one option.(if I get one of your "options" i get the other 2.....hello?)

Almost correct. The Mark means you are actively serving and advancing Islam. Name or Number of Name are more passive. Active means you are out there killing people. So, active vs. passive. But the gist is right. Hello!!

Or,one could just go with the obvious right?....(an actual "mark,chip,barcode",whatever.....)

You can if you want to be dead wrong. There won't be any chips or bar codes. That notion is utter nonsense propagated by those who make millions writing books and making movies.

You think merchants are going to hold an envelope to their heads (karnac) and see "spiritually" that you have a "spiritual mark"

They don't have to. If you are not Muslim/Islamic they will not let your conduct business in their territory. You will be subject to persecution and eventually death. Basically, they are going to weed out and kill anybody under their control who does not worship Allah.

Jews and Christians are already disenfranchised in Islamic Countries. Jews and Christians are not given freedoms. It is not difficult to see that if Islamic forces take control of a nation, they would disallow those who resists Islam from engaging in the market.

Some suggest the mark will be a head band or wrist band that bears the phrase in Arabic "In the name of Allah." I'm okay with that. It could indeed happen and it would fit also.

BTW,where is the link to your maps and this 'spiritual mark"?

The map I provided earlier is found here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=map...3dwallpapers.com%2Fislam-map-4012%2F;1696;930

I just did I google seach for "map of Islam" under images. There are plenty of others and most are green.

'spiritual mark"

As for the spiritual mark being just a spiritual mark, it's pretty much my idea. Just as I don't think you will see a literal seal of God on the foreheads of the 144K identifying them for everyone to see, I don't think you will see a literal mark on foreheads or hands of Muslims. Again, you may, but I don't think it is necessary to fulfill prophesy.

 

[PlainWord]

The Mark of the Beast is the Pope

Wrong, LOL. When is the last time you read about or saw on TV a Catholic priest running around beheading people? Rome is done and it isn't coming back. The 4th Beast of Daniel was Rome. It was the most terrible kingdom the world has ever seen or will ever see again. The Beast that's coming (and may have already started) comes from the remnant of Rome as Daniel teaches us in Chapter 7.

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.

Look for the 10 horns "who shall arise" from Rome. Then look for another horn which comes later and subdues 3 of the 10.

Hint: The Ottoman Empire came out of Rome. Mesopotamia was the last bastion of the Roman Empire. It's headquarters was Constantinople (named after Emperor Constantine) and is now called Istanbul. Modern Day Turkey is a good place to start when looking at where the Little Horn will arise. But, any place in the Middle East will work as long as it's Islamic.

 

[Skgrim]

Proverbs to “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like unto him” (26:4)

 

[PlainWord]

Proverbs to “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like unto him” (26:4)

Sounds like good advice, sorry I answered you.

Be sure to keep an eye out for those machete wielding priests, bishops, cardinals and popes. Meanwhile Muslims all over the earth are beheading people, but let's not consider them as that's too obvious, I guess.

 

[Skgrim]

Sorry didn't meant to step on anyone's toes, but my we protest, just saying

 

[VCO]

Well,I certainly hope he can explain why we come apart when the rapture is exposed as false,and us pretribs fall on the floor and pound our fists like 2 yr olds and write satan on or foreheads backwards with magic markers cause we did it in a mirror.

I mean he does go into the deep things of postrib ......I hope?????? ( the mystery of the backwards forehead satan....EXPOSED....part 10?)

Popeye you are wrong, we will be Called Out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, and those who are NOT ready and waiting for that event, will be left behind to go through all of the Tribulation. Your comments do not surprise us, nor do they discourage us. We knew you and others would make fun of our believing that the Bridegroom would come for us before He pours out His Wrath upon the Whole Earth.

2 Peter 3:3-4 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

 

[VCO]

Turned on the radio today, and Adrian Rogers was teaching on the rapture of the church. Like all things, Adrian taught this well, clear, accessible. So, if there's anybody here who can stand a good Bible teacher, is tired of the post-trib quacks, or is a post-trib quack who won't melt into a smokey puddle, like the Wicked Witch of the West, here's the link,

The Midnight Cry and the Rapture of the Church <-- click here

Don't know how long the link will be good, so, like the rapture, you better git while the gittin' is good.​

AMEN! EVEN SO, COME LORD JESUS!

 

[Skgrim]

Daniel 7:20-21 states, “even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.”
Recall that Revelation 12:9 said, “Satan…deceives the whole world.” Revelation 20:3 states that he “deceive the nations.” Also recall that Satan (“the dragon”) gives power to the first beast of chapter 13. The devil has a civil government headquarters on Earth to which he gives “his power, and his seat [a city], and great authority

 

[PlainWord]

We knew you and others would make fun of our believing that the Bridegroom would come for us before He pours out His Wrath upon the Whole Earth.

He comes right after He pours His wrath upon the earth, not whole earth, just the earth. He is referring to the Muslim world. Read the bowls. They are aimed specifically at the Beast and his kingdom and not the whole earth.

His wrath is poured out when He is revealed from heaven, but just before He returns. You see, heaven will appear above to men.

Rev 16: Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth.”

2 Thes 1:7 ...when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, [SUP]8 [/SUP]in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God...

The Great Tribulation is the Wrath of Satan. God would never kill the Great Multitude because we are not appointed to God's wrath. Therefore, the Great Tribulation is not of God, but rather of Satan. The Beast wages war... The Beast overcomes Saints... The Beast kills the two witnesses...

The "scoffers" are disbelieving Jews, not Post Tribbers. We know Christ comes and we know when He comes. We never doubt or question that He will return. However, Paul makes clear that the resurrection comes before the "rapture." The resurrection occurs just prior to, or at the start of, the 7th Bowl.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.

This earthquake is the same earthquake that happens "within the same hour" after the 2 witnesses are resurrected.

And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. [SUP]13 [/SUP]In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell.

Paul also teaches that there are two resurrections. The first is Christ and only Christ. The second is everyone else, both righteous and wicked. If the resurrection was before the Tribulation, then the those Christians killed during the Tribulation would have no hope, they would remain dead. John teaches us 4X that the resurrection is "at the Last Day." Since the world does not change until After the Tribulation and Christ's return, the Last Day cannot be before the Tribulation.

 

[PlainWord]

Daniel 7:20-21 states, “even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.”
Recall that Revelation 12:9 said, “Satan…deceives the whole world.” Revelation 20:3 states that he “deceive the nations.” Also recall that Satan (“the dragon”) gives power to the first beast of chapter 13. The devil has a civil government headquarters on Earth to which he gives “his power, and his seat [a city], and great authority

If the same horn was making war against the saints and prevailing and obviously killing them in huge numbers as evidenced by the Great Multitude in heaven, where do these Saints come from if there was an earlier Rapture? Don't tell me there will be a great revival because Paul makes clear there will be a HUGE falling away before the Man of Sin (AKA Little Horn you are discussing) appears.

Christ teaches that He doubts He will find any faith left on earth when He returns? Now why would He say that if He raptured untold millions just 7 years earlier?

Luke 18:8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”

There are very few of faith left when Christ returns because Satan has killed most of us. Nowhere in the Book of Revelation are we showed the Raptured Church. Why is that? We see a ginormous amount of dead Christians who "came out of Great Tribulation" though, don't we? Funny John only speaks of the dead multitude and not a raptured multitude.

No clear and concise Pre-Trib timing is found anywhere
No Raptured Multitude in heaven ever discussed
No taking back to heaven of any living ever discussed
No two returns of Christ found in any one passage/lesson
No reversal of the promised Tribulation for believers found for end times believers
No lesson that teaches the order of Christ, Man of Sin, Christ again

Just saying....