Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[notuptome]

Ohhh yes...the true men of Christ with the pure Word, and power to condemn. I see.


List of Man-Made Terms and Concepts Utilized by Protestants:

Age of Accountability

Total Depravity of Man

Personal Lord and Saviour

Ask Jesus into your Heart

The Rapture

Invisible Church

Folding your Hands, Bowing your Head

“Personal Relationship with Christ”

Enthroning the Bible in your Heart

“Covered with the righteousness of Christ”

Limited Atonement

Imputed righteousness

Altar Call

Dedication; Rededication

“Giving your Life to the Lord”

Revival

Inerrancy

Eternal Security

“Once saved, always saved”

Denominations

Faith alone

Sola Scriptura

Devotions

Wedding rings

What is wrong with you? Does your mother know what you are doing on your computer? She's going to revoke your computer use if she finds out.

I'll bet you can recite the rosary, the Lords prayer and hails Mary's all day long but you do not know any bible and certainly no bible terms. Just in case you missed it the term trinity is not in the bible either.

At least try to act older than an eight year old and cease from mocking God and bible Christians. If you go back and check the story of Moses and the men who came against him you might learn to respect those whom the Lord has redeemed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mattp0625]

typical invention of straw men by Roman Catholics. you clearly have NO IDEA what we teach.

I just gave you a list of man-made Protestant doctrine and concepts. It is all interpretation made by fallible man and not found in the bible. By your own definition, that constitutes heresy.

Please show me the age of accountability in scripture. Thank you

 

[valiant]

I just gave you a list of man-made Protestant doctrine and concepts. It is all interpretation made by fallible man and not found in the bible. By your own definition, that constitutes heresy.

Please show me the age of accountability in scripture. Thank you

No it is only heresy if it goes contrary to Scripture. You should know that. You are experts on issuing heresy.

 

[mattp0625]

No it is only heresy if it goes contrary to Scripture. You should know that. You are experts on issuing heresy.

So your own fallible opinion, which is not found in the bible, is the equivalent of scripture? Who gave you this authority as though your opinion is infallible? Luther? Calvin?

Age of accountability - Please let us know where to find it in the bible. Thank you

 

[KenAllan]

There is no set age of accountability in the Scriptures, BUT the Scriptures do talk about children not knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Deuteronomy 1:38-39
[SUP]38 [/SUP] Joshua the son of Nun, who stands before you, he shall enter. Encourage him, for he shall cause Israel to inherit it.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

God is saying that children "have no knowledge of good or evil".

A person can only sin when they have the knowledge of good or evil. Children cannot sin if they do not know "good or evil".

Each child has an age when God does say they know the difference between good and evil.

Its a known fact that babies do not know good or evil, therefore babies when they die will enter into Heaven. Therefore the Baptizing of babies for their sins is a false doctrine.

I know the Catholics hate the Truth in the Bible but clearly in Deuteronomy 1:39 God says children cannot sin when they have no knowledge of good or evil.

Its a shame the Catholics have turned they backs on God to follow the teachings of Satan who is their Father.

Psalm 119:41-43
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Let Your mercies come also to me, O LORD-- Your salvation according to Your word.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] So shall I have an answer for him who reproaches me, For I trust in Your word.
[SUP]43 [/SUP] And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth, For I have hoped in Your ordinances.



Ephesians 1:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In him you also, when you heard the WORD OF TRUTH, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

The Word of truth is the Bible. Only the Scriptures have all the Truth. There is no Truth in the Catholic Church outside of the Bible.

Psalm 119:105
[SUP]105 [/SUP] Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

The Bible IS a lamp to our feet and a light on the narrow and winding path that leads us to Heaven!


Matthew 7:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.


Its the Bible! The Scriptures that help us enter by the narrow gate!


You can enter by the wide gate by following the Catholic Church.

 

[mikeuk]

What is wrong with you? Does your mother know what you are doing on your computer? She's going to revoke your computer use if she finds out.

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At least try to act older than an eight year old


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For the cause of nobody but Roger
Roger

You can cool it too. Why do evangelicals and those with fringe views , always think it so necessary to descend into rudeness and ad hominem attacks? It does nothing to advance the argument, and everything to destroy your own credibility. The reader is left wondering whether this is the last resort when you run out of credible arguments?

So cool it - it makes unpleasant reading even for those who may agree with you.

 

[mattp0625]

There is no set age of accountability in the Scriptures, BUT the Scriptures do talk about children not knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Deuteronomy 1:38-39
[SUP]38 [/SUP] Joshua the son of Nun, who stands before you, he shall enter. Encourage him, for he shall cause Israel to inherit it.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

God is saying that children "have no knowledge of good or evil".

A person can only sin when they have the knowledge of good or evil. Children cannot sin if they do not know "good or evil".

Each child has an age when God does say they know the difference between good and evil.

Its a known fact that babies do not know good or evil, therefore babies when they die will enter into Heaven. Therefore the Baptizing of babies for their sins is a false doctrine.

I know the Catholics hate the Truth in the Bible but clearly in Deuteronomy 1:39 God says children cannot sin when they have no knowledge of good or evil.

Its a shame the Catholics have turned they backs on God to follow the teachings of Satan who is their Father.

Psalm 119:41-43
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Let Your mercies come also to me, O LORD-- Your salvation according to Your word.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] So shall I have an answer for him who reproaches me, For I trust in Your word.
[SUP]43 [/SUP] And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth, For I have hoped in Your ordinances.



Ephesians 1:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In him you also, when you heard the WORD OF TRUTH, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

The Word of truth is the Bible. Only the Scriptures have all the Truth. There is no Truth in the Catholic Church outside of the Bible.

Psalm 119:105
[SUP]105 [/SUP] Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

The Bible IS a lamp to our feet and a light on the narrow and winding path that leads us to Heaven!


Matthew 7:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.


Its the Bible! The Scriptures that help us enter by the narrow gate!


You can enter by the wide gate by following the Catholic Church.

Ok, yet Romans 3:23 says ALL have sinned. Not some. How are you reconciling these verses with Romans 3 without your own personal interpretation? Are you using Calvin's or Luther's interpretation? Are they infallible? And by what authority did you decide the above scripture takes precedence over Romans 3?

 

[KenAllan]

Interesting that you quote Romans 3:23. Yes you are right that ALL have sinned. Even Mary WAS A SINNER! Thank you for finally acknowledging that Mary was not Sinless like the Catholics Church teaches! Therefore Mary was a sinner who died and was buried. After all mattp0625 clearly says Mary WAS A SINNER!

Therefore since you have stated that ALL have sinned your praying to Mary IS a Mortal sin because Mary was a sinner!

Its interesting that you are using the interpretation of evil corrupted Catholic Popes to justify your interpretation.

I do not need nor use the interpretation of Calvin or Luther. I listen to what the Holy Spirit says to me. YES i do have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And YES the Spirit of God teaches me ALL the Truths in the Bible!

Can you say the same mattp0625? No you cannot because you have not received Salvation yet.

Back to the Children. Where in the Bible does God say that Baptism forgives us of our sins?

1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Jesus Christ forgives us of all our sins AND He cleanses us from the STAIN of our sins also!

Nowhere in the Bible does God ever say Baptism washes us clean of our sins.

Therefore to Baptize babies for their sins is a false doctrine from Satan.

 

[mattp0625]

Interesting that you quote Romans 3:23. Yes you are right that ALL have sinned. Even Mary WAS A SINNER! Thank you for finally acknowledging that Mary was not Sinless like the Catholics Church teaches! Therefore Mary was a sinner who died and was buried. After all mattp0625 clearly says Mary WAS A SINNER!

Therefore since you have stated that ALL have sinned your praying to Mary IS a Mortal sin because Mary was a sinner!

Its interesting that you are using the interpretation of evil corrupted Catholic Popes to justify your interpretation.

I do not need nor use the interpretation of Calvin or Luther. I listen to what the Holy Spirit says to me. YES i do have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And YES the Spirit of God teaches me ALL the Truths in the Bible!

Can you say the same mattp0625? No you cannot because you have not received Salvation yet.

Back to the Children. Where in the Bible does God say that Baptism forgives us of our sins?

1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Jesus Christ forgives us of all our sins AND He cleanses us from the STAIN of our sins also!

Nowhere in the Bible does God ever say Baptism washes us clean of our sins.

Therefore to Baptize babies for their sins is a false doctrine from Satan.

I see. So your opinion, and it is your opinion, on scripture is infallible and you are akin to God. That is, you are free from error and perfected. My good sir, I beg to differ. Huge difference between having the Holy Spirit within you and proclaiming yourself perfected and free from error. If it were so, you'd also be sinless. Not so.

Catholics believe in original sin. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Mary, highly favored by God (Luke 1) was baptized. No sin.

Fyi- no one claims the popes have been without sin. Only you claim such a feat. However, since the pope can trace lineage to Peter, apostle of Christ, he has authority on faith and morality scoping you, kind sir, cannot possess. No matter how often you compare yourself with God Almighty.

 

[Jeff_56]

it really doesn't help to point out the demonic heresy to those who trust the demonic heresy --- they refuse to repent, are apparently incapable of learning the truth, and don't want to anyway. they have been warned over and over, and
now if they die in their sin, it is because they refused to come to the light because their lives are evil.

let them go. don't argue about the heresy - it just never stops. they are breaking the rules if they continue to promote heresy anywhere on this site. report them and leave it to the owner and the admins to get the moderators to do their job.

we can rest - we don't have to prove the demonic heresy is heresy - that is clearly established.

and those (who keep arguing for the demonic deception/heresy) are trapped in the demonic heresy and aren't about to change their ways - they love the
approval(whatever it is) they get from their demonic ministers and lost family and lost friends,

more than they love the approval of GOD, according to HIS WORD.

the wicked will just keep on being wicked. the righteous will keep on being righteous. IT IS WRITTEN.

 

[mattp0625]

I would also like to know what age is the correct age of accountability. Is it 13? 18? 21?
Please let me know where this age is found in the bible.

Since you cannot, as it does not exist in the bible, please let me know exactly how you determined the age.
I hope to understand how your personal, infallible opinion (perfected, without flaw, and free from error) concluded on the age.
Thank you

 

[mattp0625]

it really doesn't help to point out the demonic heresy to those who trust the demonic heresy --- they refuse to repent, are apparently incapable of learning the truth, and don't want to anyway. they have been warned over and over, and
now if they die in their sin, it is because they refused to come to the light because their lives are evil.

let them go. don't argue about the heresy - it just never stops. they are breaking the rules if they continue to promote heresy anywhere on this site. report them and leave it to the owner and the admins to get the moderators to do their job.

we can rest - we don't have to prove the demonic heresy is heresy - that is clearly established.

and those (who keep arguing for the demonic deception/heresy) are trapped in the demonic heresy and aren't about to change their ways - they love the
approval(whatever it is) they get from their demonic ministers and lost family and lost friends,

more than they love the approval of GOD, according to HIS WORD.

the wicked will just keep on being wicked. the righteous will keep on being righteous. IT IS WRITTEN.

Kind sir, I beg to differ. Your own, personal, fallible opinions are not written anywhere except on the internet.

 

[Jackson123]

Infallibility of Pope is a way make people believe that what Pope teach is always right.

When He or Vatican lie, no body dare to challenge.

This is the example.

DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
[SIZE=+1]LUMEN GENTIUM[/SIZE]
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964

II/16

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128)



For more then thousand years, hundreds, of Infallible Pope never said that Muslim is in the plan of salvation.

Since 1964 Pope said Muslim in the plan of salvation.

What happen with infallible Pope before him?

2 group of infallible Pope teach opposite teaching?


If I said Washington is the capital city of USA and it is true/infallible.

Than John said New York is the capital city of USA is that possible that John is also infallible?

Simple logic.

 

[mattp0625]

Infallibility of Pope is a way make people believe that what Pope teach is always right.

When He or Vatican lie, no body dare to challenge.

This is the example.

DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
[SIZE=+1]LUMEN GENTIUM[/SIZE]
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964

II/16

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128)



For more then thousand years, hundreds, of Infallible Pope never said that Muslim is in the plan of salvation.

Since 1964 Pope said Muslim in the plan of salvation.

What happen with infallible Pope before him?

2 group of infallible Pope teach opposite teaching?


If I said Washington is the capital city of USA and it is true/infallible.

Than John said New York is the capital city of USA is that possible that John is also infallible?

Simple logic.

Yes, so the best a Protestant can do is say his opinion is fallible as well as the Catholic's. When the Protestant claims infallibility, he likens himself to God. I wouldn't recommend doing that.

I will take the lineage to the Apostle of Christ instead of a belief in the opinions of Martin Luther who had no contact with Christ.

 

[mattp0625]

To clarify, lineage denotes authority. Luther has no such claim.

 

[Jackson123]

Yes, so the best a Protestant can do is say his opinion is fallible as well as the Catholic's. When the Protestant claims infallibility, he likens himself to God. I wouldn't recommend doing that.

I will take the lineage to the Apostle of Christ instead of a belief in the opinions of Martin Luther who had no contact with Christ.

I have standard, my standard is bible.

Any opinion subject to test if it is inline with the bible.


God give us logic.

It is simple. let me repeat my simple analogy.


Book A said Washington is the capital city of USA. And I agree, this book is right/infallible.

Book B said New york is the capital city of USA.


Let me ask you simple question my brother

If you believe book A is right, can you also believe book B right?


I .Pope before 1964 never said Muslim in the plan of salvation. It was said only member of the only true church/RCC to to heaven.


II. Pope after 1964 said muslim is in the plan of salvation


Catholic believe every Pope is infallible.

I beg you brother, don't believe in lie. this lie is transparent. they hide they lie in a glass box where every body able to see.

It for your own salvation, please use simple logic.

 

[mattp0625]

I have standard, my standard is bible.

Any opinion subject to test if it is inline with the bible.


God give us logic.

It is simple. let me repeat my simple analogy.


Book A said Washington is the capital city of USA. And I agree, this book is right/infallible.

Book B said New york is the capital city of USA.


Let me ask you simple question my brother

If you believe book A is right, can you also believe book B right?


I .Pope before 1964 never said Muslim in the plan of salvation. It was said only member of the only true church/RCC to to heaven.


II. Pope after 1964 said muslim is in the plan of salvation


Catholic believe every Pope is infallible.

I beg you brother, don't believe in lie. this lie is transparent. they hide they lie in a glass box where every body able to see.

It for your own salvation, please use simple logic.

Yes, sir, any opinion can be deemed "in line " with bible and "pass the test." Unfortunately, you have both taken the test and graded it yourself, all while claiming to have the only pure testing standard and grading system. Dear sir, you've made yourself student, teacher, principal, school board, and Congress.

We believe Pope is infallible only with matters involving scope of faith and morals, not every word that proceeds from his mouth. Recall lineage to Christ versus opinions of Martin Luther.

i have no idea what some Pope said in the 1960s. Maybe he was looking for common ground instead of condemnations.

 

[mikeuk]

I just gave you a list of man-made Protestant doctrine and concepts. It is all interpretation made by fallible man and not found in the bible. By your own definition, that constitutes heresy.

Please show me the age of accountability in scripture. Thank you

That list is even longer and worse!
Take the lunacy of Calvinist double predestination for example.
So if all are predestined to go each way, what is the point of evangelization or the bible, since neither can make a jot of difference?

In my circuitous journey back to RCC, via various Protestant an evangelical groups, I never could figure why the evangelicals were so hot on promoting scripture , when there was almost none of it in their services, where the mass was wall to wall scripture, or why their sects were based on such as formally " asking Jesus into your life" , when that quasi sacrament was nowhere to be found in scripture, but other sacraments were that the evangelicals ignored.

So I started asking questions, and none of them could give credible answers much like this forum.

So on critical verses I would ask " so if you do not like the catholic meaning of john 20:23 , what then do you think it means and the answers were illogical fudges, and anti catholic ranting, just like this thread. I discovered that most of your list had no credible answers, and worse, the main claim " sola scriptura" was biblically, historically and logically indefensible, and most of them had no idea of the origin of the bible.

So then I studied history, and as most who do that discover - to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.

I knew all the anticatholic arguments , as an evangelical I believed them, until I looked harder.

The most disgraceful ones I met along the way were such as Ken Allen who never did know his own ex faith before use the phony arguments against it. He was never a catholic in any true sense because he never knew what the catechism said, let alone lived it, as he has proven repeatedly here. He was born with a gift that others have had to work to find, yet through it away, so poorly catechised he was unable to resist the evangelical claptrap into which he had fallen hook line ans sinker. I have nothing but contempt for the Ken Alllens who refuse to study something before speak out against it. I at least was the other side of the fence, and I knew what they thought and how they thought, and it is all shallow, as I later discovered.

 

[Jackson123]

Yes, sir, any opinion can be deemed "in line " with bible and "pass the test." Unfortunately, you have both taken the test and graded it yourself, all while claiming to have the only pure testing standard and grading system. Dear sir, you've made yourself student, teacher, principal, school board, and Congress.

We believe Pope is infallible only with matters involving scope of faith and morals, not every word that proceeds from his mouth. Recall lineage to Christ versus opinions of Martin Luther.

i have no idea what some Pope said in the 1960s. Maybe he was looking for common ground instead of condemnations.

you believe Pope infallible involving scope of faith.


A group of infallible Pope before 1964 said about faith, no salvation outside the only true church/ RCC.

let me repeat. salvation is about faith isn't it?


The infallible Popes. after they issue this low below said muslim is in the plan of salvation.

let me remind you brother read the word Dogmatic.

Is dogmatic not consider faith and moral?


So do you believe popes before 1964 infallible or after.

It tell that this doctrine is lie.

Is Popes authorized to lie?

DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
[SIZE=+1]LUMEN GENTIUM[/SIZE]
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964

 

[Jackson123]

That list is even longer and worse!
Take the lunacy of Calvinist double predestination for example.
So if all are predestined to go each way, what is the point of evangelization or the bible, since neither can make a jot of difference?

In my circuitous journey back to RCC, via various Protestant an evangelical groups, I never could figure why the evangelicals were so hot on promoting scripture , when there was almost none of it in their services, where the mass was wall to wall scripture, or why their sects were based on such as formally " asking Jesus into your life" , when that quasi sacrament was nowhere to be found in scripture, but other sacraments were that the evangelicals ignored.

So I started asking questions, and none of them could give credible answers much like this forum.

So on critical verses I would ask " so if you do not like the catholic meaning of john 20:23 , what then do you think it means and the answers were illogical fudges, and anti catholic ranting, just like this thread. I discovered that most of your list had no credible answers, and worse, the main claim " sola scriptura" was biblically, historically and logically indefensible, and most of them had no idea of the origin of the bible.

So then I studied history, and as most who do that discover - to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.

I knew all the anticatholic arguments , as an evangelical I believed them, until I looked harder.

The most disgraceful ones I met along the way were such as Ken Allen who never did know his own ex faith before use the phony arguments against it. He was never a catholic in any true sense because he never knew what the catechism said, let alone lived it, as he has proven repeatedly here. He was born with a gift that others have had to work to find, yet through it away, so poorly catechised he was unable to resist the evangelical claptrap into which he had fallen hook line ans sinker. I have nothing but contempt for the Ken Alllens who refuse to study something before speak out against it. I at least was the other side of the fence, and I knew what they thought and how they thought, and it is all shallow, as I later discovered.

As long as you use bible as a standard, brother. It is good to me.

Use bible to judge catholic doctrine about salvation as well.

do you believe Muslim in the plan of salvation, if yes show me in the bible.