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I agree with that mindset concerning unbelievers,
but disagree if you are also applying it to those who claim Christ.
Go read some of what I wrote. I have NEVER been talking about people professing to be "Christian". Go ahead, go look.

I am speaking of seeking people that we were told to go to.
 
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I HOPE to God you hardly EVER see me "quote a Scripture." All that proves is that you can operate the copy/paste function of your computer.

And I feel that almost everything I say is directly in accord with what Jesus taught.

But do not doubt for a second, that I can also use four-syllable theocratic words and quote (from memory) easily as many "verses" as almost anyone on here... possibly more than most.

All that means nothing (to paraphrase Scripture) if you do not have love.
You type your own words and I guess that means what? That you know how to speak from yourself?

If you speak the words of God it just means you can operate your tongue to you Im thinking.

Just another person who likes to pit Paul against Jesus Christ, these are a dime a dozen these days, not surprising at all anymore.

It would mean nothing if you saw a brother in need and just prayed for him to be warm and okay and did nothing for him, yes, you would be all words, loving in tongue and word, its in deed and in truth we are to love one another.

I dont come to any house of God to hear a man speak from himself, I would go to hear the words of God, which seem to be beneathe you.
 
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My mom has (as neihbor) one of them, who got AIDS. Once in a while, I have talked to him, because he is not hated and he is very honest and transparent...

Questions:

Will you shake his hand or hug him on X-mas or by New Year´s celebration?

There are "safety" limits.
Spoken from a totally uninformed POV.
 
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You type your own words and I guess that means what? That you know how to speak from yourself?

If you speak the words of God it just means you can operate your tongue to you Im thinking.

Just another person who likes to pit Paul against Jesus Christ, these are a dime a dozen these days, not surprising at all anymore.

It would mean nothing if you saw a brother in need and just prayed for him to be warm and okay and did nothing for him, yes, you would be all words, loving in tongue and word, its in deed and in truth we are to love one another.

I dont come to any house of God to hear a man speak from himself, I would go to hear the words of God, which seem to be beneathe you.
Quote Luke 14:26 to us.
 
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Mark has something to say to you Mark 12:31 - And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Jesus was willing to die on the cross for sinners. No man will ever match that love. But the same God who accepted that payment for us sinners inspired the apostles to write such things as 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.


Paul had already taught them to avoid deliberate sinners, the heathen, though admitting it's impossible not to have some dealings with them while still living on this planet.

Paul added not to "keep company" with anybody claiming to be a Christian who is maintaining a sin lifestyle. We are not even supposed to have lunch with such a "Christian". It isn't that we are told to hate a homosexual. We must be willing to give him the gospel earnestly. But if he claims to be saved while doing that sin or similar sins without repentance, we can't honor him by hanging out with him.

That isn't a cultural thing meant for those ancient people. People that make it about culture will excuse all sins, adjusting the concept of sin to satisfy whatever culture a person is of today, to the point of condemning a murderer to 7 years of prison, then letting him out in months.

When Jesus went to sinners, outraging the Pharisees, he wasn't spending the night in the bar. He had to keep the law concerning such activities, but wasn't bound to the interpretations of the Pharisees. He took the gospel to sinners. That's a far as we can go with overt sinners, especially of those listed sins that God hates.

In Romans Paul outlined how it was many of his disciples "were" engaged in such abominations, but no more. There's no doubt that God has not lifted consequences for abominations (their own blood upon them), will judge people who will not repent, will see them cast them into the lake of fire one day.

If you know a homosexual/lesbian/etc. warn them, then walk away if they won't believe and repent. Jesus told his disciples not to persist in trying to convince people. If they reject the gospel, leave, shake their dust off your shoes. If they repent, disciple them, but not alone. The pattern is two by two or more to make disciples. Get them into a church program. Meet them in a common area with other believers.
 
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It's not in English, but it doesn't have to be.
The preacher is "quoting verses"
The other man isn't

I will translate the last comment for you, "He's so dirty, how can you stand to touch him?"

[video=youtube;Z3VsBwHFqDE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3VsBwHFqDE[/video]
 
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DesiredHaven

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Anything to justify not sharing the scriptures in a bible discussion board, how strange.
 
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God is neither a homo-phobe or an adulterer-phobe or a fornicator-phobe for not allowing such (and more) to inherit the Kingdom of God (who would practice such things).

Its not entering his Kingdom

The world will embrace it though.
Amen to that.....and I agree....and for the OP...talk about a misapplication of truth to support gays!!!!!!
 
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Well only blood and mucus and other bodily fluids carry the virus. so as long as hes not dripping blood into my drink I'll shake his hand. I dont know if you meant it that way though
One of those days, when he was talking, some spark of his saliva hit me. Am I risking myself when talking to strangers in the streets, being uninformed and unaware what sort of deseases or sexual tendenciies they have?

At least, when people cough I got an idea they are sick of anything (and can hide and run) but, for those I know nothing, I know my limits: Wolves use the cover up of a sheep skin.
 
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Go read some of what I wrote. I have NEVER been talking about people professing to be "Christian". Go ahead, go look.

I am speaking of seeking people that we were told to go to.
I did read it. The subject of "judge" was not directly stated, so I wanted to clarify my view on which groups it should be applied to.
I wasn't trying to start an argument, just get involved in a conversation and express.
 
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Sophia

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AIDS is a serious disease. Precautions are not ill advised. Stop acting like it is not a transferable disease.
It is nearly as transmissive as hepatitis.

You can shake their hand, but it is contagious through bodily fluid... including saliva... for those who were told it is not back 10 years ago.
 
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I did read it. The subject of "judge" was not directly stated, so I wanted to clarify my view on which groups it should be applied to.
I wasn't trying to start an argument, just get involved in a conversation and express.
Apologies.
 
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The only thing I might 'get offended and swell up with anger' at is the fact that this comes off very much like a lecture.

If you're going to lead off on a post with my son, please talk to me and not at me.

thank you
I know nothing about your son and the post was meant to be informative not directive or legislative to you. I empathize and not criticize. This is what I have learned over the past 40 years and have no other desire but to be helpful concerning the cause, how it progresses and what's behind these inordinate affections. Most parents don't know what to do in these situations and there is usually much hostility and confusion surrounding it. I hope you understand.
 
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Most of he info is good, but Sanders Macro has concluded that HIV can also be transferred through mucus, saliva, and feces if internal (open wound) contact is made.
Most Europeans have a resistance to HIV, due to a historical/genetic past with Black Plague immunity.
African Americans and most other races do not have the same natural resistances.

The issue with US.gov statistics is that the data is based exclusively on US collection. We have been protesting their procedure for the past 7 years. The HIV epidemic in Africa and South East Asia are not exclusively caused by shared needles and STD, but also by tainted water supply, mosquitos, and hygiene.
 
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20 something arguing hmm, go figure - homophobes, but I guarantee if we actually saw his actions heeh
 
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Ministries to homeless and addicted people typically don't allow hugging, hand shaking, "bumping fists", and should be extra cautious allowing them to volunteer in the kitchen or serving line. The risk of Hepatitis A is high among them even in restaurants where food handlers don't wash their hands well, and dry them properly. It isn't a good day when a county nurse comes to your home saying they have to test the whole family because just one is connected to a case at school, work, even a church potluck meal. They find you because someone who knows you were there is required to identify you.

Such ministries attract the "hopeless", many with AIDS, more worrisome the complications that come with untreated AIDS, like meningococcal bacteria. When you are around sick folks, they will cough or sneeze, unable to prevent that. They come in apparently healthy, then begin coughing when they can't hold it.

It's a matter oc good hygiene to avoid close contact with people at higher risk for disease. I've watched many Christians drop out of personal ministry because of taking disease home to their family. It might appear to be unloving to avoid close proximity to people needing ministry, but I can't expect the average believer to be immune to disease while ignoring the causes of disease spread. I think it's a matter of tempting God to ignore common sense prevention.

I am convinced without a single doubt that if a person knows someone likely does things that increases their risk of dangerous infections that could be spread, perhaps by biting (which law enforcement agents must guard against hour to hour), that person should be kept distant. Anyone that's been diagnosed with such already knows you should be careful, but won't tell you that up front until interviewed or told on by others that know them. "Lifers" that make a habit of depending on ministries will attempt to keep ministers updated on new residents, partly to increase their own security while sleeping in a ministry dormitory.

Doing those listed extremely dangerous activities of gay/lesbians at that government website is horridly unnatural, a threat to society especially if they are on a mindset to expect society to accept their activity as normal. They have then moved from "sinner" to "wicked", exposing the healthy society to their own miseries.

Some great advice from Jesus: Matthew 10:16 (KJV)
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Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.