why is my bible missing acts 8:37?!?!

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ctc1989

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I randomly clicked on a YouTube religion video that sounded interesting, and I skipped forward 20 mins for no apparent reason, and it started talking about how a lot of the new bibles are missing passages, mostly dealing with Jesus Christ. A few of the more modern translations are missing up to 16 passages?!?! What is going on here? I NEVER would have noticed, I'm currently reading ACTS and I totally missed that my esv bible was missing acts 8:37. I thought this bible was great... It was much easier to understand what was going on.

How can it be that a bible misses the most important part of that entire section "37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

The odds that I would find that YouTube video, and skip forward to the exact part dealing with the bible and exact chapters of acts that I've been reading the last 3 or 4 days really have my head spinning!!

What else am I missing??

How do I choose the right bible then??

Is this common knowledge among christians? And if it is *** can the reasoning behind it be?? I heard some say BC it probly wasn't in the original translation... But I'm not buying that.

How in the world does this happen?

That single passage totally changes that whole page for me, if you guys can give me some advice it would help me a bunch because I'm freaked out.

Do I need to discard all of what I've read from this esv bible, and start over?? (I chose to read the esv BC it was easier to understand, after trying the king James).

Please answer any of the above questions if you wish, im just super confused now and super disappointed.
 
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ctc1989

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P.s. what is the most accurate translation?
 
Angela53510

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What Acts 8:37 is, is an ADDED part to the Bible. The Byzantium manuscripts have many late additions, and they are marked in many of the newer translations by square brackets, to indicate they do not appear in the earliest manuscripts, which are closest to the original autographs.

Holman's brackets it, but ESV leaves it out totally, because it is spurious!

I would stick with the ESV. You don't need to worry about all that added stuff. Unless you are really an apologist for the KJV and trolling about here??
 
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No, I'm not a troll lol, I'm just new to reading the bible. I'm going to do some more research into what else is missing and which bibles are the most accurate. If there are more missing passages dealing specifically with Jesus or other substantial parts I'm definitely going back to the earliest/most accurate version possible. I'll have to get a bunch of input from others more informed than myself and do my own research. Thanks.
 
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Angela, I just checked all the other posts by this ctc1989 and they're all pretty much the same. Same questions, worded differently. Also not capitalizing God (types "god") and keeps thanking everyone for all their help. Something's awful fishy here. I suspect a spam bot or troll. :p

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VioletReigns

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Plus he or it is using the acronym "What The ----" in the top post. I don't hardly think a Christian interested in the Bible would drop the F-bomb on the forum if they were sincere.
 
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ctc1989 said:
I randomly clicked on a YouTube religion video... blah blah blah blah blah yada yada etc. etc....

Is this common knowledge among christians? And if it is WTF can the reasoning behind it be?? I heard some say BC it probly wasn't in the original translation... But I'm not buying that.

blah blah blah blah blah yada yada etc. etc....

Please answer any of the above questions if you wish, im just super confused now and super disappointed.
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suuuuuuuurreeee.......... yeah, right! :rolleyes:

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DesiredHaven

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Do you have to say its another word?

Cause I say oh My Gosh
(or, Oh My goodness) but people assume I am saying oh my God when I am not.

Or what the heck?

Is that better somehow better then what the hell?

Only because hell is a scriptural word when heck really is not, but what is a heck?

I dont know, I need a dictionary

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DesiredHaven

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How does a non real person respond to your posts as he did above with you guys?

I dont get that, like how do you know?
 
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ctc1989 said:
I randomly clicked on a YouTube religion video that sounded interesting, and I skipped forward 20 mins for no apparent reason, and it started talking about how a lot of the new bibles are missing passages, mostly dealing with Jesus Christ. A few of the more modern translations are missing up to 16 passages?!?! What is going on here? I NEVER would have noticed, I'm currently reading ACTS and I totally missed that my esv bible was missing acts 8:37. I thought this bible was great... It was much easier to understand what was going on.

How can it be that a bible misses the most important part of that entire section "37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

The odds that I would find that YouTube video, and skip forward to the exact part dealing with the bible and exact chapters of acts that I've been reading the last 3 or 4 days really have my head spinning!!

What else am I missing??

How do I choose the right bible then??

Is this common knowledge among christians? And if it is WTF can the reasoning behind it be?? I heard some say BC it probly wasn't in the original translation... But I'm not buying that.

How in the world does this happen?

That single passage totally changes that whole page for me, if you guys can give me some advice it would help me a bunch because I'm freaked out.

Do I need to discard all of what I've read from this esv bible, and start over?? (I chose to read the esv BC it was easier to understand, after trying the king James).

Please answer any of the above questions if you wish, im just super confused now and super disappointed.
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I have a compilation of books missing in certain bibles that were put together by someone I know..very disturbing to find out how Satan is wanting to hide the words about Jesus like the Papal Rome during the Dark Ages..Middle Ages when they confiscated all the Bible and threaten anyone who would dare to own one because the Catholic system said they were the only ones on earth that was suppose to interpret the Word of God..as u know or u may not know, that the pope claims to be God on earth with all authority and infallible..this is who is behind removing scriptures from bibles..

Its best to go to goodwill or a second hand store and purchase a King James Version..this way u will have a better chance of not having ur Bible hijacked by Nazis. Remember brother, God did say, man would think to change times and laws. This is one of the ways. I guess the pope thinks if he can wipe out the scriptures that He will change the course of God's history..Also remember the story of Nebuchadnezzar who thought he could change the course of the dream God gave him..well the pope is trying to do the same but will eventually come to naught. We are living in the last days and Satan is doing all he can to make God disappear from the minds of mankind.
 
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VioletReigns said:
Angela, I just checked all the other posts by this ctc1989 and they're all pretty much the same. Same questions, worded differently. Also not capitalizing God (types "god") and keeps thanking everyone for all their help. Something's awful fishy here. I suspect a spam bot or troll. :p

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Really? I just see a lot of questions, and not a lot of deliberately trying to start an argument or push a view belligerently. Not everyone who asks questions is a troll.

CTC, in response to your question, the reason this happens is because the Bible is very old, and because of that descends to us not by the originals (e.g. the paper that Paul wrote on turned to dust a long time ago), but by copies of those texts, made over thousands of years. Occasionally, people make small mistakes, or accidentally swap words. Occasionally people put things in they misremembered as text from the Scriptures but actually came form commentaries, and sometimes people made later changes in order to make the Scriptures square with quotations in commentaries or (especially) lectionaries. Very few differences are ever malicious or purposely tampering with the text, and it's easy to see where changes have been made in almost every case.

The reason why there can sometimes appear to be lots of differences between English translations (though if you actually compare the whole text rather than just isolated verses, it's a very small percentage difference - the translatable differences are less than 1% of the text) is because many English translations take their cues from the KJV, which made its translation from a more limited number of Greek and Hebrew texts (the original languages of the NT and OT), compared to the many more manuscripts we have today (including Scriptures written on papyrus).

For instance, in the case of Acts 8:37, it doesn't appear in any copy of the New Testament we have today that was written before the sixth century AD. We have sections of that passage on papyrii and in large letter Greek writing on calfskin that don't have specifically that that verse. It appears the verse arose from commentaries by church fathers who wrote something similar in commentaries on the section (there are different versions of Acts 8:37 in some of the Greek texts depending on which you read).

If you need more information, let us know. Happy to talk through it.
 
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one important lesson from all this, i think:

don't believe everything you see on youtube.

study. whenever you are puzzled by something, look for knowledge. ask God for understanding. read many sources. hear opinions. pray. find wisdom and knowledge and get understanding. be patient and trust God.

don't just watch a random youtube video and freak out. the world is full of false teachers and liars and the deceived, and Satan has real power. his aim is to deceive you, fill you with doubt and worry, and make you fall. be patient, trust God, and diligently seek out the truth.
 
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RememberTheSabbathDay said:


I have a compilation of books missing in certain bibles that were put together by someone I know..very disturbing to find out how Satan is wanting to hide the words about Jesus like the Papal Rome during the Dark Ages..Middle Ages when they confiscated all the Bible and threaten anyone who would dare to own one because the Catholic system said they were the only ones on earth that was suppose to interpret the Word of God..as u know or u may not know, that the pope claims to be God on earth with all authority and infallible..this is who is behind removing scriptures from bibles..

Its best to go to goodwill or a second hand store and purchase a King James Version..this way u will have a better chance of not having ur Bible hijacked by Nazis. Remember brother, God did say, man would think to change times and laws. This is one of the ways. I guess the pope thinks if he can wipe out the scriptures that He will change the course of God's history..Also remember the story of Nebuchadnezzar who thought he could change the course of the dream God gave him..well the pope is trying to do the same but will eventually come to naught. We are living in the last days and Satan is doing all he can to make God disappear from the minds of mankind.
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Ack! My eyes! Put down the red text and walk away from your computer.
But seriously, it's not some satanic conspiracy. The 'missing' verses weren't in the originals. As mentioned above.
 
Jason0047

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Talk about alot of unChrist like responses to a simple question. Besides, there is no such thing as trolls. I just see people. I do not understand when people say that. It is cruel and unloving. All people need Jesus Christ.

Anyways, Acts 8:37 is supposed to be in your Bible. Modern Versions can be helpful in updating the Early Modern English (1600's English) of the King James Bible, but they can also be a problem, too. Just do a keyword search at Google ....

KJV vs. Modern Translations


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And then you will see a ton of elimated verses and twisted verses that are not for the better, but for the worse. Yes, I still use Modern Tranlsations because they help to update the old 1600's English lingo. But I still use the KJV as my final word of authority, though. Hence, why I use a KJV vs. NLT parallel Bible when I read a hard cover Bible. For the reason why this verse is not in your Bible is because Satan hates the Word of God. So he seeks to twist and eliminate what is in God's Word. This is not surprising because the devil was doing this even in the Garden of Eden.
 
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A note given by the NET Bible...

Act 8:36 A few later mss (E 36 323 453 945 1739 1891 pc) add, with minor variations, 8:37 "He said to him, 'If you believe with your whole heart, you may.' He replied, 'I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.'" Verse 37 is lacking in {45, 74 א A B C 33 614 vg syp,h co }. It is clearly not a part of the original text of Acts. The variant is significant in showing how some in the early church viewed a confession of faith. The present translation follows NA27 in omitting the verse number, a procedure also followed by a number of other modern translations.
 
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