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WolfGaming

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this is for all be warnd if you watch you may not believe but please stay open minded if you don't believe do your research for your self I am just doing this becase I feel like it is what I must do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWael2JxTzw
 
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WolfGaming

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now you all know you can not stand befor God and say I did not know this was bad excuses is not something God will take the information is there we have to go and find it Proverbs 25:2[SUP]2 [/SUP]It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
to search out a matter is the glory of kings.
 
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Ugly

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#3
If you're going to post a video you should include a synopsis on the subject matter. Just posting a link and saying 'watch this' will cause most people to move on and not watch it. People want an idea on what they're clicking on first.
 
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WolfGaming

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it s exposing paganisom in holadays you see why it's best not to say why
 
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WolfGaming

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#5
paganism sorry for the spelling
 

kingerik

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Oh...it's up to the individual. There isn't a biblical mandate that says not to celebrate christmas, valentines, or any other holiday. It's up to the Holy spirit.
 
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WolfGaming

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#7
well that's where your wrong






Jeremiah 10 New International Version (NIV)[h=3]God and Idols[/h]10 Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel. [SUP]2 [/SUP]This is what the Lord says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
though the nations are terrified by them.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good
 

kingerik

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That's not the context of that verse...that verse is talking about cutting down the trees, decorating them in order to WORSHIP them which is also what Isaiah 44:9-18 says...so if you don't plan on worshiping said tree then you are good!
 
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WolfGaming

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no deferent if it is an idole it is still in your house wether or not your worshiping it and don't you admier the lights on the tree and say it is nice?
 

kingerik

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no deferent if it is an idole it is still in your house wether or not your worshiping it and don't you admier the lights on the tree and say it is nice?
umm, your logical is a little off there? Admiring is not worshiping...Admire means think highly of or appreciate not worship. if you think admiring is worshiping then I'm worshiping a lot :p. Any who, Fortunately, I need some sleep so I'll comment tomorrow(don't hold me to it)! Peace and blessings!
 
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Strictly forbidden in the Bible? I don't think so. I din't see the videos in the article you posted, I have heard enough of people saying Christmas is pagan and that it is wrong. Can you tell me where exactly it says in the Bible that it is wrong? I have researched on this before and I like to share that with you.

The way we celebrate Christmas depends on our attitude towards Christmas, our reason to celebrate Christmas, our spirit towards it. You can do it in a negative way, or a positive way. Titus 1:15 tells us this "To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled." I'll tackle this subject point by point.

1) The first issue is about the date, no one can be sure about when Christ was born. How December 25th came up? Chrysostom (A..D. 345-407) in 386 stated that December 25th is the correct date and hence it became the official date for Christ's birth except in the Eastern church which still retained January 6th. Here you can see that some of them considered Christ's birth to be in January and some in December. Why these two months? Here's why -

An archeologist who lived in Palestine for years studying this, James Kelso, had this to say -

"The best season for the shepherds of Bethlehem is the winter when heavy rains bring up a luscious crop of new grass. After the rains the once-barren, brown desert earth is suddenly a field of brilliant green. One year when excavating at New Testament Jericho, I lived in Jerusalem and drove through this area twice every day. At one single point along the road, I could see at times as many as five shepherds with their flocks on one hillside. One shepherd stayed with his flock at the same point for three weeks, so lush was the grass. But as soon as the rains stopped in the spring, the land quickly took on its normal desert look once again."

Since there seem to have been a number of shepherds who came to see the Christ child, December or January would be the most likely months (James Kelso, An Archaeologist Looks At The Gospels, p. 23-24).

Since we don't know the exact date, we choose the best probable one we know.

2) About Santa being anagram of Satan. Here's how Santa came into the whole picture of Christmas - The Santa Claus idea originated with a man by the name of St. Nicholas who was the Bishop of Myra in Lycia in the area of present day Turkey. He went about, often at night, giving gifts to poor and needy children. He later became the patron saint of children in the Roman Catholic Church. From here the story grew and became legend in country after country with various details were deleted and added as the legend of St. Nick grew.

Nowadays, people and kids confuse Santa to be Jesus which is wrong. Certain kids don't even know what Christmas is about other than receiving gifts. Parents must teach their kids that Christmas is about Jesus and his birth and also a time to give.

3) Scriptures doesn't say celebrating Christmas is wrong in the New Testament. But celebrating a festival of the Old testament is wrong because it was before Christ. We can see that in Colossians 2 passage. The New testament is silent about Christmas, if you say that is valid enough, then there are many things the New Testament is silent about. For example, The Holy Communion was done everyday during ancient times, we only do it once a week. Why? Because it isn't a binding rule, no where is it said in the Scriptures that we must have the Lord's Supper everyday. They did it everyday due to their love and spirit for Christ. Similar for Christmas.

4) Christmas had adopted many things during the years from different countries. The tree is a result of this and some say this is paganism. The everygreen tree can resemble something else -

"The evergreen tree is a symbol of the eternal life which Christ, the Son of God, offers to man via another tree, the cross (Rev. 2:7; 22:2, 14).
The presents under the tree can remind us of God's gift and our need to give of ourselves to others as those who have received God's gift of life through Christ."

That is quoted from the article I learned all this from. End of the day it all comes down to how we celebrate it. Making Christmas as a festival for gathering together and drinking is very wrong. That's how it is done in majority of the places these days. If you celebrate Christmas in a positive manner, it isn't wrong. Plus you can celebrate Christmas everyday by giving to others and giving your praise and thanks to God for sending us His Son.

Sorry for the long post x_x. God Bless you!
 
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didymos

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this is for all be warnd if you watch you may not believe but please stay open minded if you don't believe do your research for your self I am just doing this becase I feel like it is what I must do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWael2JxTzw
Now do YOUR reasearch:
there are dozens of threads on the (supposed) pagan origins of christian holidays already.
 
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WolfGaming

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#14
Strictly forbidden in the Bible? I don't think so. I din't see the videos in the article you posted, I have heard enough of people saying Christmas is pagan and that it is wrong. Can you tell me where exactly it says in the Bible that it is wrong? I have researched on this before and I like to share that with you.

The way we celebrate Christmas depends on our attitude towards Christmas, our reason to celebrate Christmas, our spirit towards it. You can do it in a negative way, or a positive way. Titus 1:15 tells us this "To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled." I'll tackle this subject point by point.

1) The first issue is about the date, no one can be sure about when Christ was born. How December 25th came up? Chrysostom (A..D. 345-407) in 386 stated that December 25th is the correct date and hence it became the official date for Christ's birth except in the Eastern church which still retained January 6th. Here you can see that some of them considered Christ's birth to be in January and some in December. Why these two months? Here's why -

An archeologist who lived in Palestine for years studying this, James Kelso, had this to say -

"The best season for the shepherds of Bethlehem is the winter when heavy rains bring up a luscious crop of new grass. After the rains the once-barren, brown desert earth is suddenly a field of brilliant green. One year when excavating at New Testament Jericho, I lived in Jerusalem and drove through this area twice every day. At one single point along the road, I could see at times as many as five shepherds with their flocks on one hillside. One shepherd stayed with his flock at the same point for three weeks, so lush was the grass. But as soon as the rains stopped in the spring, the land quickly took on its normal desert look once again."

Since there seem to have been a number of shepherds who came to see the Christ child, December or January would be the most likely months (James Kelso, An Archaeologist Looks At The Gospels, p. 23-24).

Since we don't know the exact date, we choose the best probable one we know.

2) About Santa being anagram of Satan. Here's how Santa came into the whole picture of Christmas - The Santa Claus idea originated with a man by the name of St. Nicholas who was the Bishop of Myra in Lycia in the area of present day Turkey. He went about, often at night, giving gifts to poor and needy children. He later became the patron saint of children in the Roman Catholic Church. From here the story grew and became legend in country after country with various details were deleted and added as the legend of St. Nick grew.

Nowadays, people and kids confuse Santa to be Jesus which is wrong. Certain kids don't even know what Christmas is about other than receiving gifts. Parents must teach their kids that Christmas is about Jesus and his birth and also a time to give.

3) Scriptures doesn't say celebrating Christmas is wrong in the New Testament. But celebrating a festival of the Old testament is wrong because it was before Christ. We can see that in Colossians 2 passage. The New testament is silent about Christmas, if you say that is valid enough, then there are many things the New Testament is silent about. For example, The Holy Communion was done everyday during ancient times, we only do it once a week. Why? Because it isn't a binding rule, no where is it said in the Scriptures that we must have the Lord's Supper everyday. They did it everyday due to their love and spirit for Christ. Similar for Christmas.

4) Christmas had adopted many things during the years from different countries. The tree is a result of this and some say this is paganism. The everygreen tree can resemble something else -

"The evergreen tree is a symbol of the eternal life which Christ, the Son of God, offers to man via another tree, the cross (Rev. 2:7; 22:2, 14).
The presents under the tree can remind us of God's gift and our need to give of ourselves to others as those who have received God's gift of life through Christ."

That is quoted from the article I learned all this from. End of the day it all comes down to how we celebrate it. Making Christmas as a festival for gathering together and drinking is very wrong. That's how it is done in majority of the places these days. If you celebrate Christmas in a positive manner, it isn't wrong. Plus you can celebrate Christmas everyday by giving to others and giving your praise and thanks to God for sending us His Son.

Sorry for the long post x_x. God Bless you!
It does not mater what it means to us it only maters what it means to him and just watch the second vid it will help you understand
 
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Tintin

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Not this nonsense again! Please do a search before creating another 'Holidays is Evil, Yo' thread. We have enough of them already. Too many. You can have some of the the threads if you want. They're free for the taking.
 
Mar 30, 2015
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Whatever I said above is researched from the Scriptures and history except for Santa. Its not just about what it means to me, but from the Scriptures as well. God doesn't tell us what He thinks about Christmas, so I can't tell you what He thinks. Again, Scriptures is silent about Christmas, but that doesn't mean that the Scriptures doesn't give us enough knowledge to know whether Christmas is wrong or not. The things the tree, mistletoe etc can be proved it isn't from a pagan origin. I din't do that because it would be very long. So I just did it for the tree. Jesus never told us we can't have Christmas. So all we can do is to find out from the Scriptures if doing what we do at Christmas is wrong or not.

The second video in the beginning talks about Christmas being commercialized. I have heard this so many times, this is why I told you I don't need to spend my time watching the videos. Satan tries to distort everything in our lives. Even The Bible is commercialized by certain people, does that mean we are not going to buy The Bible? Start a business, isn't that for financial profit? (Commercialization) That's a sin now? The person who commercialized has done wrong, not us. We have a purpose for Christmas, a purpose for buying a Bible and I think that's what God looks upon. Christmas has a purpose i.e to remember Christ and to encourage the spirit of giving. I suggest you don't look into that article, they have less scriptures to support them. Just because the world distorts something, that does not make it evil if we avoid the distortions and use it in a way that doesn't go contrary to God's character.

If you can tell me what doubts you have about Christmas, I can help you. Or else it will be very very long if I go to explain everything. Definitely Christmas is not wrong if its done in the right way according to the rules given in the scriptures about what we can do and what we can't. Or if you want to prove me wrong, bring out verses from the Bible and show me where I'm wrong or where The Bible tells us that Christmas or anything related to it is wrong rather than leading me to such articles.
 
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WolfGaming

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is there a point?
 
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