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FridaysChild

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Good Morning All. JL and Tourist I am happy to hear that you both are okay, Praise God! Today is the beginning of a Long Day for me because tonight is the banquet and have work and school this morning then when I get home I have to take mom and run some errands then get myself ready. Let the day begin. Oh wait it already begun. Lol.
may I ask, what banquet is this?
 
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VioletReigns

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When you wrote about your granddad I remembered a few things I have forgotten of one of my grandmother´s brother. He always was kind and dear with me. He was black, with green eyes, thin and tall (and a poet). When he got sick, I used to take him the nearer park in his wheelchair. I wished I could hear or remember his voice. Those few memories I kept faded away without my knowing (I guess I was near 8 years).
That's such a beautiful memory. Do you still have any of the things your grandmother's brother has written? That would be very awesome!

My mother would sometimes prepare some homemade goodies for my grandparents. She would wrap plates full of yummy food and send me off to their house a little ways across town. It was always a wonderful visit. My Grandmom was mostly bedridden at that time and I'd sit by her bed and she'd talk about when she was a girl, she'd show me old photos and have me go to her closet and get out linens she embroidered and porcelain birds she had collected. And my Grandpop was always busy tinkering with stuff. I used to help him clean up the kitchen and do yard work side by side with him. Both of them were always so sweet and gentle. ♥

They were my first foster family and they treated my siblings and me like we were their real children. In fact, my dad had put in a request to adopt us but he never got the chance. He passed away when I was 13. It was a totally different life after he was gone. But I sure treasure those memories of my youth.
 
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cmarieh

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may I ask, what banquet is this?
Its for a scholarship I got back in October and one of the requirements to attend this so the students can meet with the donors and other things. I am thankful I got a scholarship to where I didn't have to take out any student loans.
 

p_rehbein

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If we are speaking of the peoples of Corinth. I believe it is important to realize what was going on with these peoples when Paul first brought the Gospel of Christ to them. For quite some time, these peoples had been practicing pagan rituals (the Temple of 1,000 Prostitutes), and both men and women were equally guilty of this.

The task before Paul to tear them away from these practices was monumental indeed. However, as he began to establish the church in Corinth, he had to deal with the fact that the women were not educated in many ways, and they surely caused a disturbance in the newly found church, for they were no longer the focal point of attention that they had been when serving in the Temple of 1,000 Prostitutes.

It is also very important to remember that Paul had two distinct teaching styles. One was........Thus sayeth the Lord. When teaching in this style, there was no room for debate or compromise. It was Thus sayeth the Lord........PERIOD. The other was......I would rather that, or it would be better that.......When teaching in this style, Paul was teaching the new believers the best way to live to experience joy and to limit the stress and sorrow that other options might bring to them.

It is also important to understand (in my opinion only possibly) that Paul was addressing these peoples of Corinth specifically and not passing his teaching to all the world for all time. Specific problems with the peoples of Corinth, specific teachings to address these problems, and if obeyed, they would result in specific rewards for the peoples. That being learning to walk in Christ, grow in knowledge of Christ, and become mature Christians able to feast on the meat of His Word.

This is why I see no conflict when Paul addresses the peoples of Corinth with specific statements about the women, and his teachings of..............there is neither Jew nor Greek, free or slave, male or female........etc.

Anyway, just some thoughts from me.
 
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FridaysChild

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Someone just pointed out to me that I had missed this question. I apologize, and also thank the member who brought this oversight to my attention.

While I think your observations would be more than valid in today's America, or even in some of the other Western countries, I'm not sure I would see that as having been a problem in ancient Judea. As I understand their culture, certain sects of Jewish men would not even engage their wives (let alone other women) in conversation while in public. And, I imagine at least a part of that "custom?" had to flow over into the whole of Judaism, thereby probably leading to very few, if any, women who would even consider making themselves a focal point of attention in society.

We have but to look at most of the culture of that area, even today, thousands of years later, to see much of the same attitude still going on, and fully accepted by both genders. The vocal Eastern women we see on TV as news casters or political figures might have actually been stoned back in those archaic days of patriarchal domination. Personally, I see Paul's admonishment directed more to the various followers of Jesus who, perhaps, may have been trying to follow Christ's example in treating women as equals.

It is irrational folly to elevate the Apostles to the status of perfection in their behavior, or even their understanding. They fought with one another, publically called each other out as being in error at times, were totally in the dark as to Jesus' true mission, often acted prejudicially, and in truth, were about as fallible as church leaders continue to be today.

So, though Paul may have been trying to protect women from themselves, I have my doubts. I think he was just being himself, often reflecting his upbringing and heritage.

Remember the Bible does NOT say all the things said in Scripture are correct... only that they are inspired, and that we can learn from them. Sometimes, the lessons learned may, perhaps, come from a negative, eye-opening viewpoint.... an example of excesses or misunderstandings to be avoided.
An excellent point, as usual.

Some have seen Ecclesiates writings with Solomon's dark time in rebellion from God as if they were Words of God just because they are included in the bible. "an example of excesses or misunderstandings to be avoided"
 
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phil112

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I don't like making plans for the day because then the word "premeditated" gets thrown around in the courtroom.
 
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phil112

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Psychology experiment:
if you start with a cage containing four monkeys, and inside the cage hang a banana on a string from the top, and then you place a set of stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana.
ALL the monkeys are sprayed with cold water . After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with same result -- As soon as he touches the stairs, you spray ALL the monkeys with cold water.
Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.
Now, put the cold water away. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new monkey. The new monkey sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock, ALL of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted.
Next, remove another of the original four monkeys, replacing it with a new monkey. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment â with enthusiasm -- because he is now part of the "team.
Then, replace a third original monkey with a new monkey, followed by the fourth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.
Now, the monkeys that are beating him up have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs. Neither do they know why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey. Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, not one of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana.
Why, you ask? Because in their minds, that is the way it has always been !
This is how today's House and Senate operates; and this is why, from time to time, ALL of the monkeys need to be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME!
Disclaimer: This is meant as no disrespect to monkeys.
 

p_rehbein

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An excellent point, as usual.

Some have seen Ecclesiates writings with Solomon's dark time in rebellion from God as if they were Words of God just because they are included in the bible. "an example of excesses or misunderstandings to be avoided"
uh, er, Ecclesiastes is one of my favorite Books of the Bible...........uh, er.............
 
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An excellent point, as usual.

Some have seen Ecclesiates writings with Solomon's dark time in rebellion from God as if they were Words of God just because they are included in the bible. "an example of excesses or misunderstandings to be avoided"
I think we really do have to stay aware of the very real tendency to worship the Bible, even more than its Spiritual author.
 
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VioletReigns

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Someone just pointed out to me that I had missed this question. I apologize, and also thank the member who brought this oversight to my attention.

While I think your observations would be more than valid in today's America, or even in some of the other Western countries, I'm not sure I would see that as having been a problem in ancient Judea. As I understand their culture, certain sects of Jewish men would not even engage their wives (let alone other women) in conversation while in public. And, I imagine at least a part of that "custom?" had to flow over into the whole of Judaism, thereby probably leading to very few, if any, women who would even consider making themselves a focal point of attention in society.

We have but to look at most of the culture of that area, even today, thousands of years later, to see much of the same attitude still going on, and fully accepted by both genders. The vocal Eastern women we see on TV as news casters or political figures might have actually been stoned back in those archaic days of patriarchal domination. Personally, I see Paul's admonishment directed more to the various followers of Jesus who, perhaps, may have been trying to follow Christ's example in treating women as equals.

It is irrational folly to elevate the Apostles to the status of perfection in their behavior, or even their understanding. They fought with one another, publically called each other out as being in error at times, were totally in the dark as to Jesus' true mission, often acted prejudicially, and in truth, were about as fallible as church leaders continue to be today.

So, though Paul may have been trying to protect women from themselves, I have my doubts. I think he was just being himself, often reflecting his upbringing and heritage.

Remember the Bible does NOT say all the things said in Scripture are correct... only that they are inspired, and that we can learn from them. Sometimes, the lessons learned may, perhaps, come from a negative, eye-opening viewpoint.... an example of excesses or misunderstandings to be avoided.
That is some excellent insight there! I often do just that, elevate the Apostles, like Paul for instance. And I agree with you that Paul could have very well been prejudicial toward women in his teaching. I have to admit, I'm guilty of thinking of him as infallible sometimes. This is why I detest the legalism that was taught me when I was a young Christian. It blinds and hinders us in the liberty Jesus offers. Wow... obviously I'm still learning. LOL
 

kodiak

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Am I missing a computer joke? I use Win 7, exclusively, but I have not even SEEN a command prompt (at least not, to use in the computer) for 20 years, or more.
search for command prompt on your computer, it is there.....I don't know what blb uses it for though.....I used it for some basic programming......

THAT explains a lot.
Hey! You only are getting part of the story.....I have hit my head hard at least 3 times. :p
concussions don't send me to the doctor.....:) lol
 
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FridaysChild

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uh, er, Ecclesiastes is one of my favorite Books of the Bible...........uh, er.............
And that is quite alright. :D I find it interesting too. It's a very good example on what we might encounter if we decided to rebel against God.

Been there, done that and I do NOT wanna go back! He will practically crush us in order to bring us back to Him because He knows what's best. I'm so glad He did.
 
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Psychology experiment:
if you start with a cage containing four monkeys, and inside the cage hang a banana on a string from the top, and then you place a set of stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana.
ALL the monkeys are sprayed with cold water . After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with same result -- As soon as he touches the stairs, you spray ALL the monkeys with cold water.
Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.
Now, put the cold water away. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new monkey. The new monkey sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock, ALL of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted.
Next, remove another of the original four monkeys, replacing it with a new monkey. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment â with enthusiasm -- because he is now part of the "team.
Then, replace a third original monkey with a new monkey, followed by the fourth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.
Now, the monkeys that are beating him up have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs. Neither do they know why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey. Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, not one of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana.
Why, you ask? Because in their minds, that is the way it has always been !
This is how today's House and Senate operates; and this is why, from time to time, ALL of the monkeys need to be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME!
Disclaimer: This is meant as no disrespect to monkeys.
But, do monkeys ever think, "Hummm, I wonder why... _____ ." ?
 
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search for command prompt on your computer, it is there.....I don't know what blb uses it for though.....I used it for some basic programming......


Hey! You only are getting part of the story.....I have hit my head hard at least 3 times. :p
concussions don't send me to the doctor.....:) lol
OK, now I am three times as sure I understand certain things......
 
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VioletReigns

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The question I'm always tempted to ask is, "Why not?" :eek:
 
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FridaysChild

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That is some excellent insight there! I often do just that, elevate the Apostles, like Paul for instance. And I agree with you that Paul could have very well been prejudicial toward women in his teaching. I have to admit, I'm guilty of thinking of him as infallible sometimes. This is why I detest the legalism that was taught me when I was a young Christian. It blinds and hinders us in the liberty Jesus offers. Wow... obviously I'm still learning. LOL

Me too.
Perhaps because of our own assumptions as well as what we're taught growing up. I still don't know if I could wrap my mind around a woman being Pastor of a church. Somehow that just doesn't sit right with me. But I'm sure there are other areas she could absolutely excel in that wouldn't trample my preconceived notions.

What if the husband is not well versed in the Word? Or even refuses to try. Does the wife then become the Spiritual leader even teaching him? A wife/mother can not wait till he gets around to teaching the children and meanwhile they are growing up without having Christ taught at home even if the home is a happy one and everyone well cared for. Man does not live on bread alone.

My therapist gave me a book regarding lies the legalistic church tells women.
Could you recall and/or share the title and author, please?