Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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I dont see how the Pope if the prince of the apostles,
Jesus is both the Apostle and High Priest of our profession but also the Messiah Prince
Heb 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall beseven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Jesus is both the Apostle and High Priest of our profession but also the Messiah Prince
Heb 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall beseven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
an appropriate example is the nazi gestapo secret police who murdered at will JEWS and CHRISTIANS.
they were bad (the nazi gestapo secret police). just like the roman catholics who do the same as they did. (and always have since rcc started) ....
yet, mercifully, among the bad, there were a few, like shown in SCHINDLER'S LIST,
who
at
risk
of their own life, did what was right. if they were found out, they were immediately murdered.
same in roman catholicism, in many(most) countries where rcc has power to do so.
when someone from the rcc gets saved, and especially if they start to live right, they are quickly excommunicated or MURDERED by the order of the rcc authorities. everywhere they have the power to do so (most places, as most heads of government have all along been committing fornication with the papacy hoping to have some of the power to control the world, or just to save their own lives(they think) )
this is incontrovertable historical fact that only the deceived are not allowed to see.
they were bad (the nazi gestapo secret police). just like the roman catholics who do the same as they did. (and always have since rcc started) ....
yet, mercifully, among the bad, there were a few, like shown in SCHINDLER'S LIST,
who
at
risk
of their own life, did what was right. if they were found out, they were immediately murdered.
same in roman catholicism, in many(most) countries where rcc has power to do so.
when someone from the rcc gets saved, and especially if they start to live right, they are quickly excommunicated or MURDERED by the order of the rcc authorities. everywhere they have the power to do so (most places, as most heads of government have all along been committing fornication with the papacy hoping to have some of the power to control the world, or just to save their own lives(they think) )
this is incontrovertable historical fact that only the deceived are not allowed to see.
Wow...there are Catholics who are bad and wrong? How could that be possible?
Maybe because...there are wrong and bad people everywhere.
Maybe because...there are wrong and bad people everywhere.
I dont see how the Pope if the prince of the apostles, ...
He isn't the Bible interpreter...he's the Prince of the Apostles. The Church is the interpreter, not the Pope.
- Prayer to the Blessed Virgin
Most Holy and Immaculate Virgin! O my Mother! Thou who art the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the world, the advocate, hope, and refuge of sinners! I, the most wretched among them, now come to thee.I worship thee, great Queen, and give thee thanks for the many favors thou hast bestowed on my in the past; most of all do I thank thee for having saved me from hell, which I had so often deserved. I love thee, Lady most worthy of all love, and, by the love which I bear thee, I promise ever in the future to serve thee, and to do what in me lies to win others to thy love. In thee I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation. Receive me as thy servant, and cover me with the mantle of thy protection, thou who art the Mother of mercy! And since thou hast so much power with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the grace ever to overcome them. From thee I ask a true love of Jesus Christ, and the grace of a happy death. O my Mother! By thy love for God I beseech thee to be at all times my helper, but above all at the last moment of my life. Leave me not until thou seest me safe in heaven, there for endless ages to bless thee and sing thy praises. Such is my hope. Amen.― (Prayer of St. Alphonse Liguori, 3 yrs indulgence,Raccolta, 342)
You said Church is interpreter, Did church agree that catholic put it hope in salvation to Mary?
such a simple discrepancy from truth (the outright lie of the rcc in the 4227 post), shows completely enough the error of the rcc and why never to trust it. (besides a thousand times a thousand other
perfectly true facts why not to trust it, ever)...
the BIBLE itself says that the BIBLE itself is not subject to man's interpretation, period. not by the devil at the top of the rcc,
or by any man by any name in any church, especially and obviously not in the HERESY as it is known.
anyone who can read the BIBLE (GOD'S WORD) can read what it says about itself, from GOD HIMSELF .
so much better (LIFE)(instead of DEATH(from heresy) ) to listen to GOD HIMSELF, instead of to corrupt flesh in the papacy and it's very very sick (and most forever condemned by GOD) leaders and members.
perfectly true facts why not to trust it, ever)...
the BIBLE itself says that the BIBLE itself is not subject to man's interpretation, period. not by the devil at the top of the rcc,
or by any man by any name in any church, especially and obviously not in the HERESY as it is known.
anyone who can read the BIBLE (GOD'S WORD) can read what it says about itself, from GOD HIMSELF .
so much better (LIFE)(instead of DEATH(from heresy) ) to listen to GOD HIMSELF, instead of to corrupt flesh in the papacy and it's very very sick (and most forever condemned by GOD) leaders and members.
You continue to repeat words THAT ARE SIMPLY NOT THERE IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT. ie worship. The word "venerate" is in the original text as distinct from "adoration" - or worship due to God.
And the pope acts infallibly only when speaking ex cathedra.
Popes have done some bad things! They are ordinary people. Luther and Wycliff were right about the excesses of medieaval popes for example. But their solution was wrong. They threw the baby out with the bathwater.
And the pope acts infallibly only when speaking ex cathedra.
Popes have done some bad things! They are ordinary people. Luther and Wycliff were right about the excesses of medieaval popes for example. But their solution was wrong. They threw the baby out with the bathwater.
You missed the part where Mike indicates individual prayer is not doctrine, no matter what color you make it
now quit pretending you know catholic prayer better than catholics
now quit pretending you know catholic prayer better than catholics
It was not just an individual prayer. It was a prayer published for Roman Catholics in a book which had the imprimatur. you Roman Catholics are so deceitful
is that why you need to BOLD everything?
If you CAN read than read this which makes it all clear , even to you.
970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.
Are you happy now.
Can we type normally from now on?
I have to go...
If you CAN read than read this which makes it all clear , even to you.
970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.
Are you happy now.
Can we type normally from now on?
I have to go...
Bye bye. Don't bother to come back
Peter was given a new name by Jesus. No other. Peter also given the keys to heaven. Not symbolic.
Peter is mentioned more than every other Apostle combined.
I know you can compartmentalize well.
i know you think your own assumptions outweigh several historians. Oh well
Peter is mentioned more than every other Apostle combined.
I know you can compartmentalize well.
i know you think your own assumptions outweigh several historians. Oh well
If you mean Roman Catholic historians, then yes. My 'assumptions', based solely on the work of independent scholars of the highest calibre, certainly outweigh them. Your historians have to get the approval of Big Daddy.
Romans 3:9-12
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are ALL UNDER SIN.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is NONE righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is NONE who understands; There is NONE who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They have ALL turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is NONE who does good, no, not one."
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Mattp0625, God clearly says here that NONE and NO ONE are righteous, understands, seeks after God, none who do good!
God also clearly states that ALL have sinned that ALL have fallen short of the Glory of God!
ALL includes Mary also mattp0625!
Therefore for YOU to teach Mary was without sin you are teaching a lie and the Indwelling of the Holy Sirit is not in you and there is no Truth in you either.
Mary was a sinner and Mary died in here sins and is in the grave. Therefore Mary cannot hear your prayers to her. Mattp0625, you are wasting you time praying to Mary for Mary cannot hear you nor can she answer your prayers, its a big waste of your time!
Galatians 2:2
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles
Paul brought the Gospel of Salvation to the gentiles in Rome, not Peter.
Galatians 2:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But from those who seemed to be something--whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man--for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
Even Paul says Peter was nothing because God shows no personal favoritism to any man, not even Peter!
Galatians 2:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
Circumcised - It was the people of Israel who were Circumcised.
uncircumcised - It was the people in Rome who where uncircumcised.
Peter went to the people of Israel to bring them the Gospel of Salvation. Paul went to the people in Rome to bring them the Gospel of Salvation. Since it was Paul who went to Rome it would have been Paul who would have been chosen to be the Pope of the Catholic Church and not Peter.
Nowhere in the Scriptures does Paul ever say anything about the Catholic Church. You would think since he was in Rome he would have mentioned something about the Catholic Church. But since there is nothing in the epistles of Paul about the Catholics proves the Catholic Church was not around when Peter was alive.
Matthew 18:1
1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
All the disciples were gathered here with Jesus.
Matthew 18:18
18 Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Here in this verse Jesus is given the Keys of the Kingdom to ALL the disciples, not just to Peter.
Like i said before mattp0625, you really need to read ALL of the Scriptures before you open your mouth and insert your foot into your mouth! Nothing you say makes any difference for you do not have any Truth in you.
God clearly is showing in the Scriptures mattp0625 that you really know nothing! All you are doing is parroting what the Corrupted Catholic Church teaches and NOT what God says!
Repent Mattp0625! Walk away from the evil Catholic Church! Embrace Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior! Reject the worship of Mary and Worship God ONLY! Turn away from the darkness of the Catholic Church and go to the Light that is God!
Otherwise the path you are on will lead to the Lake of Fire where Satan and his angels will be forever!
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are ALL UNDER SIN.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is NONE righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is NONE who understands; There is NONE who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They have ALL turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is NONE who does good, no, not one."
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Mattp0625, God clearly says here that NONE and NO ONE are righteous, understands, seeks after God, none who do good!
God also clearly states that ALL have sinned that ALL have fallen short of the Glory of God!
ALL includes Mary also mattp0625!
Therefore for YOU to teach Mary was without sin you are teaching a lie and the Indwelling of the Holy Sirit is not in you and there is no Truth in you either.
Mary was a sinner and Mary died in here sins and is in the grave. Therefore Mary cannot hear your prayers to her. Mattp0625, you are wasting you time praying to Mary for Mary cannot hear you nor can she answer your prayers, its a big waste of your time!
Galatians 2:2
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles
Paul brought the Gospel of Salvation to the gentiles in Rome, not Peter.
Galatians 2:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But from those who seemed to be something--whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man--for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
Even Paul says Peter was nothing because God shows no personal favoritism to any man, not even Peter!
Galatians 2:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
Circumcised - It was the people of Israel who were Circumcised.
uncircumcised - It was the people in Rome who where uncircumcised.
Peter went to the people of Israel to bring them the Gospel of Salvation. Paul went to the people in Rome to bring them the Gospel of Salvation. Since it was Paul who went to Rome it would have been Paul who would have been chosen to be the Pope of the Catholic Church and not Peter.
Nowhere in the Scriptures does Paul ever say anything about the Catholic Church. You would think since he was in Rome he would have mentioned something about the Catholic Church. But since there is nothing in the epistles of Paul about the Catholics proves the Catholic Church was not around when Peter was alive.
Matthew 18:1
1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
All the disciples were gathered here with Jesus.
Matthew 18:18
18 Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Here in this verse Jesus is given the Keys of the Kingdom to ALL the disciples, not just to Peter.
Like i said before mattp0625, you really need to read ALL of the Scriptures before you open your mouth and insert your foot into your mouth! Nothing you say makes any difference for you do not have any Truth in you.
God clearly is showing in the Scriptures mattp0625 that you really know nothing! All you are doing is parroting what the Corrupted Catholic Church teaches and NOT what God says!
Repent Mattp0625! Walk away from the evil Catholic Church! Embrace Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior! Reject the worship of Mary and Worship God ONLY! Turn away from the darkness of the Catholic Church and go to the Light that is God!
Otherwise the path you are on will lead to the Lake of Fire where Satan and his angels will be forever!
So true Mattp0625, opinions do not give you Salvation neither does the Catholic Church give you Salvation!
Its interesting mattp0625 that you bash the Truth from the Holy Spirit as opinions from the world. And then you swallow hook line and sinker all the lies the Catholic Church has brainwashed you with!
You have no Truth in you mattp0625, all you have is lies from Satan that you are desperately trying to convince the True Christians as being Truths from God!
You, my friend, are doing the Will of your father Satan. I feel very sorry for you because one day you will see the Truth but then it will be too late and you have died in your sins.
Matthew 7:15-20
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
You Mattp0625 are what God calls a "False Prophet". You are a wolf in sheep clothing trying desperately to deceive the world into following Satan and his lies.
We can see the "fruits" you bear and they are rotten fruits.
Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Not everone who claims to be a Christian or Catholic will enter into Heaven mattp0625. You mattp0625 are practicing lawlessness by claiming Mary was without sin and by claiming Peter was a Pope of the Catholic Church. For this God Himself will cast you into the Lake of Fire for all Eternity.
Is this really what you want? Is you Pride so great that you are willing to walk into the Lake of Fire?
There is no Truth in you mattp0625. All you say all you teach are lies and not the Truth. Lies from Satan to deceive you into rejecting the greatest gift from God which is Eternity in Heaven!
No one who calls the Holy Spirit a liar will ever enter into Heaven mattp0625.
Repent of your sins. Reject the teachings of Satan in the Catholic Church. Reject the mary of the Catholic Church. Accept the Salvation that Jesus Christ has for you! Humble yourself before God and enter into Heaven with the rest of us True Christians!
Its interesting mattp0625 that you bash the Truth from the Holy Spirit as opinions from the world. And then you swallow hook line and sinker all the lies the Catholic Church has brainwashed you with!
You have no Truth in you mattp0625, all you have is lies from Satan that you are desperately trying to convince the True Christians as being Truths from God!
You, my friend, are doing the Will of your father Satan. I feel very sorry for you because one day you will see the Truth but then it will be too late and you have died in your sins.
Matthew 7:15-20
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
You Mattp0625 are what God calls a "False Prophet". You are a wolf in sheep clothing trying desperately to deceive the world into following Satan and his lies.
We can see the "fruits" you bear and they are rotten fruits.
Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Not everone who claims to be a Christian or Catholic will enter into Heaven mattp0625. You mattp0625 are practicing lawlessness by claiming Mary was without sin and by claiming Peter was a Pope of the Catholic Church. For this God Himself will cast you into the Lake of Fire for all Eternity.
Is this really what you want? Is you Pride so great that you are willing to walk into the Lake of Fire?
There is no Truth in you mattp0625. All you say all you teach are lies and not the Truth. Lies from Satan to deceive you into rejecting the greatest gift from God which is Eternity in Heaven!
No one who calls the Holy Spirit a liar will ever enter into Heaven mattp0625.
Repent of your sins. Reject the teachings of Satan in the Catholic Church. Reject the mary of the Catholic Church. Accept the Salvation that Jesus Christ has for you! Humble yourself before God and enter into Heaven with the rest of us True Christians!