well I reckon if a saint puts the prayer of worship to Mary in a book which has the imprimatur and a Pope includes it in his encyclical, that's pretty good evidence of Roman Catholic doctrine.- Lets look again
[*]Prayer to the Blessed Virgin
18. It is therefore, a pleasure for us, a full century having passed since the Pontiff of immortal memory, Pius IX, solemnly proclaimed this singular privilege of the Virgin Mother of God, to summarize the whole doctrinal position and conclude in these words of the same Pontiff, asserting that this doctrine "vouched for in Sacred Scripture according to the interpretation of the Fathers, is handed down by them in so many of their important writings, is expressed and celebrated in so many illustrious monuments of renowned antiquity, and proposed and confirmed by the greatest and highest decision of the Church" (Bull Ineffabilis Deus), so that to pastors and faithful there is nothing "more sweet, nothing dearer than to worship, venerate, invoke and praise with ardent affection the Mother of God conceived without stain of original sin. (Ibidem.)
34. But let this holy city of Rome be the first to give the example, this city which from the earliest Christian era worshipped the heavenly mother, its patroness, with a special devotion. As all know, there are many sacred edifices here, in which she is proposed for the devotion of the Roman people; but the greatest without doubt is the Liberian Basilica [St. Mary Major], in which the mosaics of Our predecessor of pious memory, Sixtus III, still glisten, an outstanding monument to the Divine maternity of the Virgin Mary, and in which the "salvation of the Roman people" (Salus Populi Romani) benignly smiles.
Source:FULGENS CORONA,Encyclical Of Pope PIUS XII, September 8th, 1953.
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- Sorry it took me so long to respond, been busy. Anyhoo Pop's.... I reckon like so many of your other misunderstandings of Catholic theology these things seem like a “slam dunk” to ya when you cut and paste them, but ol'Timer, they fall apart when you fully understand them. Let’s take a look at um together.
Fulgens corona is an encyclical by Pope Pius XII, written in 1953, on the Feast of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and proclaims a Marian year for 1954, to commemorate the centenary of the definition of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary. The part you bolded, however, which includes the part about nothing being “more dearer than to worship...the Mother of God” is not from Fulgens Corona, it is from Ineffabilis Deus.
Ineffabilis Deus ia a Papal bull by Pope Pius IX. that defined the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary and was promulgated in 1854. Yes, Pius IX did write that, but did he mean to put Mary on the same level as Jesus? To us in 2015, when we say “worship” it is commonly understood as showing devotion to a diety above all else. Remember though,(and you being from G.B. ought to know this) that the word “worship” comes from the Old English word worthship, which denotes the worthiness of the one receiving a special honor or devotion. The audience of Pius IX in 1854 would understand that there are two forms of worship: The formal reverence and honor due only to God, and the devotion and love due to all other holy people. (again, you being from G.B.should know this) You can still see vestiges of this today in the system of English Law where judges are referred to as “Your Worship”.
So you see Pop's, Pius IX is calling us to give honor and devotion to Mary but that is in no way even close to the reverence and glory we are to give to Jesus. You are reading an 1854 document with a 2008 vocabulary. To understand this more fully, pull up Ineffabilis Deus and read the whole Papal Bull.
Now, to finish up, let’s go back to Pius XII in 1953. Does he think we need to worship Mary the same as Jesus? Hardly. All you have to do is scroll up a couple of lines to section 15 of Fulgens Corona:15. Non-Catholics and reformers are therefore mistaken when because of this pretext they find fault with, or disapprove of, our devotion to the Virgin Mother of God, as if it took something from the worship due to "God alone and to Jesus Christ." The contrary is true because any honor and veneration which we may give to our Heavenly Mother undoubtedly redounds to the glory of her Divine Son, not only because all graces and all.
Not only that pop's , but consider this, In the King James version of the Bible you find this passage:
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7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them, 8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; 9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. 10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee. 11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. [/TD]
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So Pop's....does this mean that readers of the KJV think they will be worshipped like God if they humble themselves? I hope not!! If they have a lick of education they know that this is an archaic use of the word. So sorry.... no slam dunk for you!! Lol! But by all means, keep trying.
p.s. I couldn't find where your postings carried the stamp of imprimatur.
Pax Christi
"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48
- Sorry it took me so long to respond, been busy. Anyhoo Pop's.... I reckon like so many of your other misunderstandings of Catholic theology these things seem like a “slam dunk” to ya when you cut and paste them, but ol'Timer, they fall apart when you fully understand them. Let’s take a look at um together.
