Where is Eden now??

Viligant_Warrior · Apr 23, 2015

I don't know of anyone who is looking for it, but if they were, Earth would be the place to look. Why else would God post an angel with a flaming sword at its entrance? Seems obvious to me that the angel is on Earth, probably at the center of a strong delusion God has sent to hide Eden. There is nothing biblical or theological to indicate Eden has been moved.

sltaylor said:

No, he didn't. Read the portion of the verses you left out. Yes, Ezekiel writes that Satan was in Eden -- and he was, deceiving Eve. The passage also says he was on "God's mountain" ... so where is that? The Bible refers to Horeb as "the mountain of God" in Exodus 3:1. It compares heaven to a "high mountain," meaning it is as inaccessible as the peak of a high mountain.

The Bible makes it plain Satan was cast from heaven. He appeared as a serpent in Eden, which is the event referenced in Ezekiel. You're trying to make this way too hard. Read the Bible for what it says, and don't try to make it say something it doesn't, or that you suspect is there couched in some provocative language. The Bible is really a simple book. Read it like that.

sltaylor · Apr 23, 2015

Viligant_Warrior said:

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Really, satan was cast from heaven...ok then how many times? Cause revelation says it happens when Michael and all the other angels kick him out. It really is that simple.
And by the way Hebrews says Mt zion is the mountain we have come to, the heavenly Jerusalem, so in that since, yeah he was still expelled from God's presence, it really is that simple.

Breeze7 · Apr 23, 2015

I watched some different programs like national geographic, discover, some archaeology stuff, bbc. It seems eden is still on earth( that's a duh for some).

From the information I've gathered the location is now under the Ocean. East of the horn of Africa, West of India, and South of Saudi Arabia and Oman. Its under the Ocean somewhere there.

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 23, 2015

sltaylor said:

Lucifer, the light bearer, the shining one, satan, has been cast down, he is now known as the Accuser of the Brethern, he once walked in the Throne Room of God, on the Mountain of God.. in the Presence of God Himself, he was known as the anointed cherub that covereth, highly exalted by God, but in that... Sin was found, the sin of Pride, and from the sin, He acted on it and walked into the Throne Room and declared 'he' and those that fell for his lies of insurrection... these at some time were going to OVERTHROW God, MAKING his kingdom and throne Higher than the ETernal,-----> much like you walking into your folks dining room.... as they are eating ,and unleashing a tirade of insults and accusations, telling them your 'life' and what you did was going to be sooo much better than theirs ever was. exalting yourself above and beyond......... TOTAL disrepsect for those who brought you INTO this world and raised you... THE SAME with Lucifer, he walked right into the THrone Room and verbally Assaulted the One who Created Him... you have to understand, that is a supernatural being, railing on the Eternal... that was a Huge event in Eternity.. his fall from being the Anointed Cherub that covereth, he is no longer there... no longer able to walk the Throne Room of Heaven, the mountain of God...as he has been cast down from that Authority he was CREATED as a perfect, beautiful, super super super wise Angelic Cherub, 'anointed' by God.. but no longer in that position.. but has become satan, adversary, accuser.. he still has access to the Heavens to ACCUSE but that is it........---------->He was disarmed at the tree, by Christ's Appeasement, The Word tells us Christ made a spectacle of them, OPENLY, TRIUMPHING OVER THEM, by His death, disarming them, Christ, perfect, No Sin in Him, why Jesus said, 'the prince of this world cometh, he hat nothing 'IN ME'... proving again Christ's sin-lessness- a pefect Lamb ready for the slaughter by the one who is a murderer, satan... satan is active today, as he is known as the prince of the power of the air, the prince of this world, the Wicked One.. etc.. Christ has disarmed at the Tree, but he is still active, how be it, The Eternal One Still has him on a leash. oh yes.. Satan will be cast down to this earth and his access for Accusation and coming before the LORD, Cut off.. he will not have access to the Heavens, but will be cast down to earth to inhabit the man of sin, 1/2 way thru Daniels 70th week... the living devil in the flesh.. indeed... his fruit evident as he murders those who will not align themeselves with the 'eden' or counterfeit kingdom of heaven he was allowed to create! His Eternal state is Gehenna Fire.. prepared for him, because of his insurrection, rebellion and sin.. death, the 2nd death! SATAN can do no more today. than what God allows him to do .... for he must Answer and even his wicked seats, thrones principalities, visible or invisible , must BE MADE SUBJECT unto Christ's commands! he now has to OBEY the One he plotted against, schemed against, held false trials against, murdered on a tree.. satan now must Answer to Christ Himself.. THE Resurrected One! for Christ Himself, has the keys to Thanatos (death-physical) and Hades, the place of departed wicked spirits upon physical death..

Satan still has access to God, but for accusation, God is Still Sovereign even having him on a leash persay..
his access to accusation, cut off, 1/2 way into Daniels 70th week, and at the end of Daniels 70th week as he literally departs the man of sin's flesh/bone, he will be chained and sealed for 1000 years! like a rabid wolf that knows that his time is up.. he acts accordingly and God Himself is slowly removing him from his plan of Creation, step by step.. he who authored sin and brought death in with his pride, vanity , and presumptousness!

sltaylor · Apr 23, 2015

The thing is its all about perspective. We think we understand where we are. The dead are in the GRAVE. Tell me you all who understand that...if you understand this: Christ came to give life to the world, meaning the world is dead. Its only the dead that can live. AND THE DEAD ARE WHERE?
We understand very little about the sign of Jonah. Jesus spoke of the sign of Jonah, in the future and past tense, and Jonah had cast out of Gods presense, banished, but remebered God from the depths of where? Thats the sign given that Jesus spoke of, and so he preached to the dead spirits in Prison. Didn't Jesus come to give life to us and set prisoners free??
God looks down from above and sees our world as a grave.
There was nothing but dead people walking around until Christ came. From our perspective we leave Life and enter death. FROM JESUS AND GODS, WE LEAVE DEATH AND ENTER LIFE.
It's much better to enter life maimed, than to burn in the fire of hell, I believe is what he said. So yes I do think it's different, you want to keep a spirit captive, put it in a body of Death, chosen to never hear the Gospel, and destroy them both. God's judgement is being revealed against mankind in all the wickedness it does, but our ransom has been paid. Others, they won't get out until the last penny is paid. We'll see how bad this place really gets when we realize, we were not abonded to the grave, and they realize they were, when the body, whom is still preaching to dead prisoners on behalf of Christ comes up out of this place.

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 23, 2015

sltaylor said:

Perspective? thats what the Walk with the Master is about? we think we understand? wow, not sure I follow your 'christ'... sounds like a 'carnal christ'... You have pulled God down to your level , and made Him UNABLE to reveal the things of the Spirit to His Own , smh.......'we think we understand"... the Genuine Christian walk is all about perspective? No its Real, ALIVE, not a carnal Walk in the flesh, noo.. those who do that will 'die'.. lots of flesh out there today. masquerading as 'truth'.. lolz..

But ye have an Unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

MarcR · Apr 23, 2015

Since we are speculating:

Perhaps it was indeed destroyed in the flood. Perhaps the paradise of God is a different but similar place.

Perhaps the tree of life in the New Jerusalem will be re-creation and re-plant of the same tree.

kennethcadwell · Apr 23, 2015

Genesis 2:10-15

10 Now a river went out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it parted and became four riverheads.
11 The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one which skirts the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.
12 And the gold of that land is good. Bdellium and the onyx stone are there.
13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which goes around the whole land of Cush.
14 The name of the third river is Hiddekel; it is the one which goes toward the east of Assyria. The fourth river is the Euphrates.
15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it.

Pishon (Pison river)

Hiddekel (Tigris river)

sltaylor · Apr 23, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

Wow, ok. Sorry man, the statement we think we understand is biblical. For now we know in part, then we shall fully know. I'm not defending myself to you man. You don't know me or the man I used to be. Thank God I'm not who I was once. Ive been through two wars, both my granfathers farmed cotton, and now im just an oilfield roughneck. And yes, it's only the dead that can live. Quit twisting my words, the walk with Christ is not the perspective I was talking about, it's the way we look at the world I was implying. Christ changed my life over night, ANYONE WHO knows me will testify to that. So don't you ever think I don't know what Christ is about. I say something about perspective and you tell me about My Carnal Christ. Please, come on man. It's a discussion tab. The world being dead and prisoners, that's the perspective, and yes we all see but as in a poor reflection. The very little was referencing the sign of Jonah, not a walk with Christ. Don't judge me please, I thought this was a discussion forum, I implied nothing about our perspective on anything other than understanding something in scripture, and Paul says we know in part. That was really uncalled for man, and that hurt. I was only speaking of our perspective of we consider LIFE.

dcontroversal · Apr 23, 2015

Well.....the garden was (EASTWARD in EDEN).........but for sure is not there now

HAHAH Yeah I know ahahahhah

sltaylor · Apr 23, 2015

To rephrase that last sentence above, our perspective on Life meaning, what is considered to be alive...before I get all blown up on again. Lol

sltaylor · Apr 23, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

The understanding about the sign of Jonah I was referencing before I offended you. Sorry for that wording btw.... Christ spoke of Jonah in the future and past tense. No sign will be given to it except for the sign, of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was 3 days and nights in the belly of a huge fish, so will be the son of man be in the heart of the Earth.
Now I know I don't understand it fully, but I do know it has more to do with than a huge fish. In Jesus' statement, he refers to the part of the prophecy of Jonah being inside the fish. Now if you read Jonah 'sprayer from inside the fish he said something that really caught my attention. He said he was banished from God's sight, and thrown into a pit. The reason I was referring to that in regard to Eden and the perspective on what is alive and dead is this: Jonah said he was banished from God's sight, just like what happened in Eden in the beginning. He said he was put in the pit and from the depths of the grave he called out. David says the exact same thing in psalms. The words pit and grave in Hebrews was both understood as Sheol pretty much, meaning death. He cosidering being banished from Gid death, which i was making that connection woth the world being dead until Christ. The connection I was trying to make to us is this:
That humanity is also banished from God's sight, but in a land of the shadow of death we remembered his holy temple, and his ear was attentive to our cry. And just as Jonah was brought up from the depths of the Grave, God says the same concerning his people, he will open up our Graves and bring us up from them. I thought it was a good thought, I had no intent of offending you, I will choose my wording more carefully in the future. Man I love Christ, and the revelation of Christ, and kfrom Christ is my hearts desire. I know there is lore to everything than what meets the eye, and I know I will never fully understand any of it this side of heaven. I do know Christ and the father, I'm in him and he's in me, the living breathing body of the bread I partake of and every day try to live my life in remembrance of, hence the reason for joining this sight. What I whisper in your ear, proclaim from the roof tops, and that's all I want to do.

sltaylor · Apr 23, 2015

Sorry for the mispelled words above, Im typing this on my phone right now and it's being a punk to navigate this website on and deal with auto correct.lol

sltaylor · Apr 23, 2015

Viligant_Warrior said:

Yes sir, that's kind of what I was saying. The tree of life is in Paradise where Christ is, and you are correct there is an angel posted there to guard the way to it. He's called Satan. I'm sure the tree of Eternal life is more than a physical tree. The only thing I've ever read that can also do this is the spirit of life. The tree has 12 fruits in Revelation, I believe that symbolizes the twelve tribes. The twelve tribes are also referenced as being connected to a tree in Romans at the grafting of the branches, it doesnt say twelve just Israel in that account, but we know how many tribes makes up that, of which, Christ gives eternal life to as well. The angel posted guards the way to the entrance ( narrow gate), and keeps us from reaching out and partaking of the tree that is Christ. Ezekiel 28 is about this very one appointed to do that guarding, who became proud of that power. In keeping us out, he tried to exalt himself above us in the process, not remembering what he was commanded to do...which was to worship Christ when the firstborn was brought into the world. I do know this, wherever it was, it's in Paradise now, where Christ currently is. The only one who could keep us from eternally living, or from entering where Christ is is Satan. Of that I feel pretty confident. It never says anywhere God removed an angel from Guarding that place. Nor is it ever said the tree is moved or is it ever covered or destroyed. It does however say that what we could NOT attain by reaching out to, has now COME TO US, and that's the real GOOD NEWS. Now it's in Paradise, heaven, where Christ is. That's where we go once we overcome, and those are who have the right to eat of the tree or the body I believe.
And I do believe he was on God's mountain, but about that this is all inknow. You have Horeb, you have Sonai, and you have Mt Zion. The only thing I can find in the new testament where God and his people are is Mt Zion, which is THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM. And if that is the mountain he was walking on before being thrown down, then that backs up my interpretation even more.
If you don't see that it's completely fine. I'm never gonna say you are wrong and it has to be my way or the highway. If you see it cool. If not cool keep moving on. It's ok, just me thinking it's deeper than what meets the eye. GOD BLESS

Word_Swordsman · Apr 24, 2015

There is no way to estimate the efforts undertaken to locate the Garden. The problem is the present river systems don't originate from the fountainhead that was in the Garden in the East of the land of Eden. All those rivers had a common source in that Garden, like the river of God pours out from the heavenly throne into Heaven. There is no possibility of that landmark being found on a map using the scriptures in Gen 2.

However, there are among the many theories some good ideas, my favorite expressed at The Rivers of the Garden of Eden

There you can follow the Genesis flood geological record that changed the geography on into Peleg's day, concluding the most probable fountainhead that supplied the four rivers was in Israel. I think all geologists are convinced that all our continents were one huge land mass they've named Pangaea. All those rivers were drastically re-routed and some dried up.

I like that presentation which removes a lot of unfounded speculation, makes a proper use of science, logic, and reason.

sltaylor · Apr 24, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

Well this is what I understand now, Eden was a garden.
The Paradise of God is also a Garden.
The tree of life is in a garden named Eden..Gen 2
The tree of life is in a garden called Paradise...Rev 2
The greek root word for Paradise is translated as beautiful pleasure Garden.
It was written in Hebrew in the OT, and Greek in the NT.
If you want to find the Garden with the tree of life, go to Paradise.
If you want to go to Paradise then you must over come the world and go where Jesus went after the cross, above, by the Father's side.
God walked in his garden in Genesis, and I guarantee you God is walking in it in Paradise right now. You will never find the tree in a Garden on this Earth until it descends from heaven. It's in the paradise of God, where Christ went after the cross, and you won't find that on Earth right now. God never left his Garden, nor has the eternal tree of life been covered, it's still alive, it's still somewhere. It never says the tree was removed, and apparently there is a Garden somewhere that the tree is alive and well, all it does say, is man was banished from that place, and couldn't find its way back because certain 'Angels' kept is from entering that place, and from eating and living forever.
The tree is in heaven, Satan and his angels still keep us from entering the place where the tree is currently, and they also still keep humanity from partaking of this tree and living forever. The good news of the kingdom is this, the tree we couldn't reach out to, has now come to us, and we can all be grafted in and partake of that tree, for there is no other tree that gives eternal life.

sltaylor · Apr 24, 2015

Wikipedia:
Paradise*(Greek: παράδεισος,*parádeisos, from Hebrew*gan*"garden" in reference to theGarden of Eden) is a*religious*or*metaphysicalterm for a place in which existence is positive, harmonious and*eternal. The*Abrahamic faiths*associate paradise with the*Garden of Eden, that is, the perfect state of the*worldprior to the fall from grace, and the perfect state that will be restored in the*World to Come.

It's the same word in Luke, as in Revelation. This you guys, is where Jesus went, by the Father's side, which is above. This is the garden where the tree is...and there's only one group of angels keeping humanity out...and we all know who that is. This is the garden where what was immortal became mortal, and was banished from. He cane to restore, which means to return to its original condition.

Word_Swordsman · Apr 24, 2015

The book of Job was brought up. We learn of two meetings between a group of angels, and the Lord. The word doesn't say they met in Heaven. The Lord was quite capable of meeting them on earth, perhaps atop Mt. Horeb. God has met with men on earth too, as he did with Moses and the 70 elders that had lunch with God just before Moses went up to receive the law on stone tablets.

Satan was and still is an angel. Here's a very interesting fact.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

As already stated, Satan is still the accuser of men before God.

Notice in Job that twice God inquired of Satan where he had been. It wasn't like God didn't know, but was a polite opportunity for once to tell the truth, like God afforded Adam while he and his wife hid from God in their sin. Stan twiceadmitted in Job 1:7 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP] And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Not once was it said he had also been to Heaven, but is as already written still "god of this world", among a special group of other rebellious spirits in the heavens of earth.

There are dangerous beings all around and above us, though certainly not in God's Heaven.

Ephesians 6:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

None of those include wicked people since people are flesh and blood. Those wicked ones have been allowed by God to run free with Satan in the atmosphere of earth and in it, but God puts limits on them, such as he did for Job, not allowing Satan to kill the man. Those limits are extended to Christians.

As for when Satan was kicked out, it had to be before this: Luke 10:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

When Satan and his followers attempt to invade God's sanctuary, they will be driven back, cast down into the earth again.

Word_Swordsman · Apr 24, 2015

sltaylor said:

First this: Revelation 22:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

There isn't just one Tree of Life. In heaven they are growing down that street, and on both sides of the river. That logically suggests many of them are there. It shouldn't be necessary to keep one hidden here on earth, especially through the flood.

Satan doesn't have power to keep anyone from getting to Heaven and eating of that fruit and leaves. Sin does that to people who refuse to repent of sin, believing on Jesus.

Wherever God likes to sit or stroll in the cool of the day is undoubtedly a Paradise as implied by scriptures. Just being in his presence is Paradise. A beautiful landscape shouldn't add to his glory. He is our Paradise. We won't find our Paradise suffering a night, God being the Light.

sltaylor · Apr 24, 2015

Well first off sir, God didn't go to them, they came to God to present themselves to GOD. Second, when Satan was sked where he came FROM, he replied the Earth, meaning where he is, isnt where he came from, huge difference in the assumption you made. Im not assumimg where they met, im telling what scripture states. To say God came to them takes the scriptures out of context, Satan said he came from roaming the Earth to where he and the Angels came to present themselves before God.
There is only one tree of life, it may cover both sides, but it is still called the tree of life, not trees of life, big difference.
The Angel of Christ himself, the Angel he said in Rev 22 he sent to John to give him the testimony of the churches, the heavenly glorified Christ, whom gave John the very statement said the tree of life is in the paradise of God. Period. The Angel of Christ himself, the one who is, said the tree, not trees, is in the paradise of God. That's by the Father's side. Which means the whole Paradise includes Jerusalem and Israel and everything else. It's all together so of course Rev 22 talks about the tree being there, the paradise, the tree the throne they are all by the Father's side. And if Satan didn't have the power to keep those from entering, why did Jesus come to defeat that work of his. Yes we can enter he has no power over us, but to those still deceived, he doesn't have power over them? They are doing HIS WILL.

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