Oops, gave you the wrong title valiant.
The training book is called "Sons of God"
God's Kingdom Ministries :: Chapter 1: Becoming a Son
The training book is called "Sons of God"
God's Kingdom Ministries :: Chapter 1: Becoming a Son
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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That is not logically true. you have no idea of what being logical means. but then you come from an illogical church.
God always presents His truth so that those whose hearts are open will see and understand, and those whose hearts are hard will not understand.. This was His stated reason for speaking in parables. So you see it was quite logical for God to leave us to appreciate the truth for ourselves.
where does Jesus say that the pillar of truth is the Roman Catholic church?
Which church is the pillar of truth? The church whose teachings are in line with those of the Apostle. Certainly not the Roman Catholic church which came into existence in 8th century'
Yes within the fifty years after His death, written by or under the authority of the Apostles.
In fact the Bible was available to be read in churches. UNTIL THE ROMAN CATHOLICS FORBADE IT. Many would take copies from it. They would also learn it by heart as the Jews had the Old Testament.
Of course it was later made more difficult when the Roman Catholic church burned Bibles and murdered those who tried to sell them, so as to STOP people from finding out the truth about them.
the genuine early fathers said nothing about liturgy and sacraments. Nor did they mention the real presence. Later fathers gradually distorted baptism by applying it to infants.
God always presents His truth so that those whose hearts are open will see and understand, and those whose hearts are hard will not understand.. This was His stated reason for speaking in parables. So you see it was quite logical for God to leave us to appreciate the truth for ourselves.
where does Jesus say that the pillar of truth is the Roman Catholic church?
Which church is the pillar of truth? The church whose teachings are in line with those of the Apostle. Certainly not the Roman Catholic church which came into existence in 8th century'
The Papacy was not organized until the second half of the 8th century. It broke away from the Eastern Church under Pippin III (in the Ency. Brit., 13th Ed., vol. 21, page 636; also the Papacy, by Abbe Guette."
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The tradition taught by word WAS the Gospels as the early church made clearYes within the fifty years after His death, written by or under the authority of the Apostles.
In fact the Bible was available to be read in churches. UNTIL THE ROMAN CATHOLICS FORBADE IT. Many would take copies from it. They would also learn it by heart as the Jews had the Old Testament.
Of course it was later made more difficult when the Roman Catholic church burned Bibles and murdered those who tried to sell them, so as to STOP people from finding out the truth about them.
the genuine early fathers said nothing about liturgy and sacraments. Nor did they mention the real presence. Later fathers gradually distorted baptism by applying it to infants.
LOL...Gnosticism?
Sin is demonic and sin is contagious like leprosy.
That is why God compares it to leprosy and leaven.
We are living in a leavened Age...leavened with sin...
We could have all been whiter by now but the early church let the evil pagan hell doctrine in.
But doctrinal error is correctable...we just have to be brave and persevere and love the truth....Jesus is worth the effort.
Sin is demonic and sin is contagious like leprosy.
That is why God compares it to leprosy and leaven.
We are living in a leavened Age...leavened with sin...
We could have all been whiter by now but the early church let the evil pagan hell doctrine in.
But doctrinal error is correctable...we just have to be brave and persevere and love the truth....Jesus is worth the effort.
Why don't you email him and ask him personally?
He is in Holland right now on one of God's assignments but he usually responds to sincere inquiries. Though he has a very heavy schedule.
His email is [email protected]
He is in Holland right now on one of God's assignments but he usually responds to sincere inquiries. Though he has a very heavy schedule.
His email is [email protected]
The Pillar of Truth is the Church of God, not the Catholic Church.
1 Timothy 3:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
How can the Catholics say they are the True Church when they went around murdering people who refused to convert to Catholicism? Do you Catholics not know that those who kill other people can never enter into Heaven?
Exodus 20:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "You shall not murder.
Here is a verse just for Cloud9.
Matthew 10:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Jesus Christ Himself is saying He will destroy people in Hell!
Therefore for Cloud9 to say there is no Hell proves that Cloud9 is NOT a child of God! He is a wolf in sheep clothing teaching the doctrines of Satan as truths from God!
Reject what Cloud9 teaches! Reject what mwc68 teaches! Reject what the Catholic Church teaches!
Only God has the Truth! And the Truth is only in God!
1 Timothy 3:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
How can the Catholics say they are the True Church when they went around murdering people who refused to convert to Catholicism? Do you Catholics not know that those who kill other people can never enter into Heaven?
Exodus 20:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "You shall not murder.
Here is a verse just for Cloud9.
Matthew 10:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Jesus Christ Himself is saying He will destroy people in Hell!
Therefore for Cloud9 to say there is no Hell proves that Cloud9 is NOT a child of God! He is a wolf in sheep clothing teaching the doctrines of Satan as truths from God!
Reject what Cloud9 teaches! Reject what mwc68 teaches! Reject what the Catholic Church teaches!
Only God has the Truth! And the Truth is only in God!
M
Another insult, since I proved your logic was faulty, you cannot fault mine.
Those were questions for someone else.
I asked Mike Henderson how he answers the same questions, since you clearly cannot.
I did not ask you valiant - you have no interest in scripture, history or logic, only twisting it all to fit your a priori belief set, snatching verses out of context to do it.
Both from scripture and history, I demonstrated that the greek only distinction you made in Petra Petros is irrelevant, because the conversation was Aramaic, and even in Greek your version does not make idiomatic sense either without "but" "other" instead of "and" "this". From which we conclude you have decided the meaning regardless of truth. I proved that Augustine quotes the entire succession from Peter through bishops of Rome to his time, and uses that scripture as basis for it, as does Irenaus 3. Yet still you ignore it all Anything goes so long as it is not catholic with you, and that too is disingenuous, you quote the reformers as disagreeing with catholicism, yet the key reformers disagree with you!
You are beyond hope.
You are welcome to offbeat eccentric and wacky views, Britain is a colourful place because of its band of eccentrics, just do not present them as anything other than eccentric.
Those were questions for someone else.
I asked Mike Henderson how he answers the same questions, since you clearly cannot.
I did not ask you valiant - you have no interest in scripture, history or logic, only twisting it all to fit your a priori belief set, snatching verses out of context to do it.
Both from scripture and history, I demonstrated that the greek only distinction you made in Petra Petros is irrelevant, because the conversation was Aramaic, and even in Greek your version does not make idiomatic sense either without "but" "other" instead of "and" "this". From which we conclude you have decided the meaning regardless of truth. I proved that Augustine quotes the entire succession from Peter through bishops of Rome to his time, and uses that scripture as basis for it, as does Irenaus 3. Yet still you ignore it all Anything goes so long as it is not catholic with you, and that too is disingenuous, you quote the reformers as disagreeing with catholicism, yet the key reformers disagree with you!
You are beyond hope.
You are welcome to offbeat eccentric and wacky views, Britain is a colourful place because of its band of eccentrics, just do not present them as anything other than eccentric.
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Why would anyone in their right mind want to be subject to the wrath of God by being apart from Christ, but there it is right there in Jn 3:36; Ro 5:9, 1:18; Eph 5:6; Col 3:6; 1Th 1:10; Rev 19:15.
That is neither "wrathful" nor "merciless" thinking.
That is Biblical thinking.
Your problem is unbelief. . .not "the ancient languages."
The meaning of the language of the NT is clear.
No need to cloak one's unbelief in the unknown meaning of "the ancient languages."
Good choice. . .
That is neither "wrathful" nor "merciless" thinking.
That is Biblical thinking.
Your problem is unbelief. . .not "the ancient languages."
The meaning of the language of the NT is clear.
No need to cloak one's unbelief in the unknown meaning of "the ancient languages."
Good choice. . .
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Well the problem with your scholarly argument is that the scripture thoroughly refutes it. Jesus Christ is the rock, the chief cornerstone, the foundation upon which the church, living, is built and founded. This is the church against which the gates of hell cannot prevail.
Scripture does teach that there will be some who profess themselves to be wise, scholarly, but the are fools. They have chosen the way that seemeth right unto man but the end thereof is death.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Scripture does teach that there will be some who profess themselves to be wise, scholarly, but the are fools. They have chosen the way that seemeth right unto man but the end thereof is death.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Eternal torment is a message of condemnation!
Love saves the most.
Condemnation Interferes With Intimacy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u6MxzPvQMng
Love saves the most.
Condemnation Interferes With Intimacy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u6MxzPvQMng
I am sorry but I believe better than you do.
I evangelized in unsafe quarters.
I am brave enough to put in,the work and establish the truth.
No fear of man is going to hold me back...I am a Caleb...I am a Joshua...
You identify with the crowd if you want.
I identify with Jesus Christ and the Apostles. That is my true family and I am a citizen of Heaven and my true family is in Heaven.
I evangelized in unsafe quarters.
I am brave enough to put in,the work and establish the truth.
No fear of man is going to hold me back...I am a Caleb...I am a Joshua...
You identify with the crowd if you want.
I identify with Jesus Christ and the Apostles. That is my true family and I am a citizen of Heaven and my true family is in Heaven.
M
Comment on the arguments, not just your apriori conclusion!
Luther and Calvin both thought Peter was special because of that scripture.
They did not resort to the unhistorical, unbiblical and illogical arguments trying to separate petra from petros.
For sure, Calvins views on it are just as wacky. He says it applies to everyone who is part of the rock, not just Peter, but does afford Peter the word exceptional because he is the one first named!
Iit is easier to believe what it actually says in Aramaic one and the same.
Thou art ( I will call you) Peter and upon thisPeter I will build my Church
Even if you accept the unjustifiable, and unhistorical that it was spoken in Greek
Thou art ( I will call you) Peter and upon this (large?) Peter I will build my Church
Nowhere does he say "thou art peter but upon this ...other peter over here, I will build my church!
Nowhere does he say "I will call you rock but upon this ...other rock over here, I will build my church!, nor can any stretching of Grammar or semantics make it say that!
so it is ok for you to say I am illogical, but if I say you are it is an insult?. Sounds like good Roman Catholic logic LOL
what you mean is you could not deal with my answers? you are long on talk, short on facts.
let others judge.
Does this also apply to Augustine, Chrysostom, Theodoret and the others I cited? You demonstrate nothing.. You just shoot your mouth off. You have no answers.
well you would, wouldn't you as you don't know the truth?
yes, somewhat inaccurately. but all you produced was a list. Augustine said NOTHING about what it demonstrated. Indeed he was himself doubtful of its value as I have demonstrated.
he does nothing of the kind. NO EARLY CHURCH FATHER USES MATT 16 TO PROVE THE PAPACY.
No I answered it ALL you simply dare not believe it. and you NEVER prove your own case.
you are now being stupid again. there were hundreds of reformers how are Luther and Calvin 'the key reformers? they had nothing to do with reformation in the UK. And I note you give no references LOL it is all your invention
If the reformers were offbeat eccentric (did not agree with the Roman Catholic church) thank God for offbeat eccentric LOL
what you mean is you could not deal with my answers? you are long on talk, short on facts.
let others judge.
Does this also apply to Augustine, Chrysostom, Theodoret and the others I cited? You demonstrate nothing.. You just shoot your mouth off. You have no answers.
well you would, wouldn't you as you don't know the truth?
yes, somewhat inaccurately. but all you produced was a list. Augustine said NOTHING about what it demonstrated. Indeed he was himself doubtful of its value as I have demonstrated.
he does nothing of the kind. NO EARLY CHURCH FATHER USES MATT 16 TO PROVE THE PAPACY.
No I answered it ALL you simply dare not believe it. and you NEVER prove your own case.
you are now being stupid again. there were hundreds of reformers how are Luther and Calvin 'the key reformers? they had nothing to do with reformation in the UK. And I note you give no references LOL it is all your invention
If the reformers were offbeat eccentric (did not agree with the Roman Catholic church) thank God for offbeat eccentric LOL