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J
Future prophets, or should we say inspired authors of scripture, I can't think of one name, after the last verse of Revelation, who's a proven prophet that should have been included in scripture. Apostle has always meant to me somebody who was present with Christ, as in the twelve, was with Him bodily or communicated with Him directly in a theophany of light and voice, like Paul, commissioned directly by the Lord Jesus for service. Three through five are the likes of the backbone of the body of Christ, throughout the age of grace we are still in.
they are all "applicable these days" (maybe especially so)
fivefold ministry
1. Prophets
2. Apostles
3. Pastors
4. Evangelist
5. Teachers
Do all of these still applicable these days?? Because some says Prophets and Apostles are already been fulfilled
and out dated this current times. Thanks for the answer in advance
1. Prophets
2. Apostles
3. Pastors
4. Evangelist
5. Teachers
Do all of these still applicable these days?? Because some says Prophets and Apostles are already been fulfilled
and out dated this current times. Thanks for the answer in advance
J
Thanks Answer appreciated
so you mean there are only 3 offices these days ? Pastor, Evangelist and Teachers?
so you mean there are only 3 offices these days ? Pastor, Evangelist and Teachers?
Oh! And you're welcome, also a really important question, in terms of false prophets to beware of.
The Testimony of Jesus Christ, is the Spirit of Prophecy.
And I fell at his Feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy Brethren that have the Testimony of Jesus: Worship God: for The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.
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Those Bear His Testimony, will operate in the Spirit of Prophecy, as the Spirit will lead them. Obviously there are people on this planet today that Genuinely Bear His Testimony, of His Divine Grace and Mercy in their lives, Being Saved by His Grace thru Faith, Being Born AGain from Above, REgenerate with the Incorrptible Seed, thru the Spirit of Truth... the Spirit of Jesus Christ, He that was made a Quickening Spirit, He that came to this earth as God manifest in the flesh.. the Godhead Dwelt Bodily in His flesh bone..
multitudes of false prophets out there today.. they have always been..even in the OT.. God allows to do what they do. then He will deal with them on His Terms... indeed!
no where is the Office of the Prophet more visible from a Global standpoint than during Daniels 70th week, those first 3.5 years, the Witness and Testimony of the 2 witnesses who torment those on this earth, Proclaiming the Coming Kingdom of Heaven from Heaven, denouncing the Man of Sin and that Harlot of Revelation 17... tell thing to repent or suffer the Consequences of Gehenna fire... indeed. this a time in the future.. these 2 will literally TORMENT THE whole planet with the Power of God, which is given to them as apart of their Witness... indeed!
And I fell at his Feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy Brethren that have the Testimony of Jesus: Worship God: for The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.
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Those Bear His Testimony, will operate in the Spirit of Prophecy, as the Spirit will lead them. Obviously there are people on this planet today that Genuinely Bear His Testimony, of His Divine Grace and Mercy in their lives, Being Saved by His Grace thru Faith, Being Born AGain from Above, REgenerate with the Incorrptible Seed, thru the Spirit of Truth... the Spirit of Jesus Christ, He that was made a Quickening Spirit, He that came to this earth as God manifest in the flesh.. the Godhead Dwelt Bodily in His flesh bone..
multitudes of false prophets out there today.. they have always been..even in the OT.. God allows to do what they do. then He will deal with them on His Terms... indeed!
no where is the Office of the Prophet more visible from a Global standpoint than during Daniels 70th week, those first 3.5 years, the Witness and Testimony of the 2 witnesses who torment those on this earth, Proclaiming the Coming Kingdom of Heaven from Heaven, denouncing the Man of Sin and that Harlot of Revelation 17... tell thing to repent or suffer the Consequences of Gehenna fire... indeed. this a time in the future.. these 2 will literally TORMENT THE whole planet with the Power of God, which is given to them as apart of their Witness... indeed!
A
fivefold ministry
1. Prophets
2. Apostles
3. Pastors
4. Evangelist
5. Teachers
Do all of these still applicable these days?? Because some says Prophets and Apostles are already been fulfilled
and out dated this current times. Thanks for the answer in advance
1. Prophets
2. Apostles
3. Pastors
4. Evangelist
5. Teachers
Do all of these still applicable these days?? Because some says Prophets and Apostles are already been fulfilled
and out dated this current times. Thanks for the answer in advance
1. Apostle is an eyewitness to Christ. Unless there are 2000 year old men walking about that I haven't heard of, I think the apostle time is over.
2. Prophet? I don't see a need for prophets, unless you're talking evangelists. We don't need to be reminded God's coming. He's here. We don't need to know a savior is coming. He came. It really doesn't matter if we go through tribulation, since the Great Tribulation already showed us God is still in control even when it looks bad for our side. We don't need to know when Jesus returns, because he told us we'd know it when we see him and we'll never know it's about to happen. So, the only good purpose for a prophet would be an evangelist. We still need those.
3. I don't know what you see as the difference between a pastor and a teacher. Do you come from group where they are different? I've been in several groups, but the pastor is also the teacher. There may be more teachers, but the pastor gets to do the Sunday Morning (or Saturday evening, depending on the church-building's availability) service/sermon/teaching. And, the denomination I'm most at home in has Teaching Elders and Ruling Elders. (We just call our Teaching Elders the pastors, because most folks understand that word.)
4. Our Ruling Elders are what most folks call ministers, in that's their job. They minister to the flock -- be it home visits, counseling, specific ministries (one works with homeless people, addicts, etc., another works with people with sexual sins, another works on university campuses (We have a few, since we're in a large city) for both teachers and students, and I forget what the others do, but everyone is covered.) To me, that's as big as evangelist, but I don't see how that fits into your "5 Fold Ministry" list.
5. Frankly, the last time I heard the term "5 fold ministry" was in the early 1970's, so I'm lost as to who that is and what that means. (Very dusty memory. lol) I'm kind of stuck wondering, "but what about all the other ministries?" I've got none of those gifts, but I still have gifts that minister, and I know what they're called. They're just not on your list at all.
Did that help any? It wasn't exactly what you asked, but it was as close as I can answer.
A
Ack! I hate looking stupid (that boat has sailed lol), but what's the difference between a prophet and a pastor or a teacher, assuming Holy-Spirit-filled on all of them. (Again, this isn't something I've learned as a Christian, so I'm seeking clarification, not giving accusation. This is new to me.)
the various parts of the body of yahshua work as yahweh gives them growth and gives them HIS WORD to be spoken /shared/ taught/ preached at any particular time and sometimes ongoing (seldom seen in the world, or in most groups either.) ...
as it is written "as God builds the house" - - he is the orchestrator, the one who chooses, from whom flows all life and everything that is good... and whether a 'gift' , or 'office' appointed by him, or ongoing work in our lives, it is he that directs our steps and the steps of his people on earth.
all of his body/ people/ require always continuing to depend on , to rely on, to have faith in yahshua by his grace, every day ongoing...
as it is written "as God builds the house" - - he is the orchestrator, the one who chooses, from whom flows all life and everything that is good... and whether a 'gift' , or 'office' appointed by him, or ongoing work in our lives, it is he that directs our steps and the steps of his people on earth.
all of his body/ people/ require always continuing to depend on , to rely on, to have faith in yahshua by his grace, every day ongoing...
An office is what the Gift works out of or flows out of ... Christ Himself, God manifest in the flesh. is the SOURCE OF THOSE OFFICES.. as He is the Source of the Gifts... the Gifts of the Spirit, your Supply of the Spirit of Jesus the Christ, He that was MADE a Quickening Spirit indeed! some are called to be prophets, teachers, etc.... some can operate in multiple Offices. or just one.. its Up To Him.. and He decides the Distribution.. of His Gifts... these done to Edify and Lift and Encourage the Body. His True Body... I've also seen these gifts impersonated, false.. indeed.. especially now days.. wow..
The prophets of old were 100% spot on in their oracles.
I haven't seen any around lately, perhaps during the Great Tribulation when God is dealing directly with the Jews there will be as the Two Witnesses seem to be.
Apostles? We have what I would call 'lesser' apostles, known as missionaries, but nothing to the calibre of the original 11 plus Paul. When they wrote directives to the Church Scripture followed...today? ...just a mish mash of wanna bees.
I haven't seen any around lately, perhaps during the Great Tribulation when God is dealing directly with the Jews there will be as the Two Witnesses seem to be.
Apostles? We have what I would call 'lesser' apostles, known as missionaries, but nothing to the calibre of the original 11 plus Paul. When they wrote directives to the Church Scripture followed...today? ...just a mish mash of wanna bees.
fivefold ministry
1. Prophets
2. Apostles
3. Pastors
4. Evangelist
5. Teachers
Do all of these still applicable these days?? Because some says Prophets and Apostles are already been fulfilled
and out dated this current times. Thanks for the answer in advance
1. Prophets
2. Apostles
3. Pastors
4. Evangelist
5. Teachers
Do all of these still applicable these days?? Because some says Prophets and Apostles are already been fulfilled
and out dated this current times. Thanks for the answer in advance
Preaching is, or should be, also declaring God's word; so in a limited sense, preachers are prophets.
Apostles means sent ones. The word is used in two distinct senses:
1) the eleven + Matthaias+ Paul.
2) any missionary.
J
Don't worry. In my experience, you get used to it in time, until it's just a way of life.
There's probably some book, 500 pages long, that diagrams it all. But, as already mentioned, prophet can be a wide term, and I was only referring to scripture prophets. Given the Holy Spirit, anybody delivering the word of God could be considered a prophet, technically, but that isn't what it means to me, when thinking of what a prophet is, my flavor prophet in the Bible, or Charlton Heston. But, surely you know, a pastor leads a congregation, an evangelist gets the gospel "out there" to convert the public, and anybody can be a teacher of the things of God, while not being a pastor or an evangelist, like parents teaching their children the things of God, or anybody. Just my take, but don't quote any of it, and not for copyright reasons.
There's probably some book, 500 pages long, that diagrams it all. But, as already mentioned, prophet can be a wide term, and I was only referring to scripture prophets. Given the Holy Spirit, anybody delivering the word of God could be considered a prophet, technically, but that isn't what it means to me, when thinking of what a prophet is, my flavor prophet in the Bible, or Charlton Heston. But, surely you know, a pastor leads a congregation, an evangelist gets the gospel "out there" to convert the public, and anybody can be a teacher of the things of God, while not being a pastor or an evangelist, like parents teaching their children the things of God, or anybody. Just my take, but don't quote any of it, and not for copyright reasons.