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M
Let me post it again since you don't seem to understand. The typical rapturist response when you show them the scripture is "Aw, that doesn't pertain to me". Funny how Christ here tells exactly what will happen and you think He forgets to mention some rapture? Laughable. Whats He spend the most time telling us here? That there will be a great deception before He comes, not some fable about Him flying us away.
MATTHEW 24(KJV)
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you,(not you greatkraw) Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you(not you greatkraw) before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you,(not you greatkraw) Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Romans 8
31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 11
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.
I have more verses too. Go back to your rapture ready forum or google, or wherever you get your corrupt information and come back with scripture next time. Satan's lies will never hold up against the scripture.
MATTHEW 24(KJV)
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you,(not you greatkraw) Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you(not you greatkraw) before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you,(not you greatkraw) Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Documentation that Christians today are God's Elect.
Romans 8
31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 11
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.
I have more verses too. Go back to your rapture ready forum or google, or wherever you get your corrupt information and come back with scripture next time. Satan's lies will never hold up against the scripture.
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Nice but Romans 11 is talking about the faithful remnant of Israel. Israel is the elect, gentiles are grafted into Israel therefore making them the Elect...
Romans 9, 10 11 is all about Israel and how salvation came to the gentiles.
So technically that is proving Israel is the elect and by gentiles becoming the elect they become apart of the commonwealth of Israel.
This is only important because God has not "done away" with Israel. (His elect)
Romans 9, 10 11 is all about Israel and how salvation came to the gentiles.
So technically that is proving Israel is the elect and by gentiles becoming the elect they become apart of the commonwealth of Israel.
This is only important because God has not "done away" with Israel. (His elect)
M
Well Elijah will be here to turn back those of you who mistakenly are worshipping satan and the fallen angels, the first to come.
Malachi 4
1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Hard to tread on them if you've flown away.
4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
fathers= false christs= satan and the fallen angels
Are you prepared to come face to face with beautiful angelic beings claiming to be your God?
G
Miktre, one of your many heretical assumptions is to think that God is finished with Israel; He hasnt.
You are right that Elijah will come first; he shows up in Revelation along with Moses
God will certainly judge the world after the Church is out of the way
When Christ returns at the end of the tribulation we will return with Him
The Antichrist will set himself up in the the rebuilt jewish temple in the middle of the tribulation and convince many that he is the messiah
The Jews will not accept this however.
You are right that Elijah will come first; he shows up in Revelation along with Moses
God will certainly judge the world after the Church is out of the way
When Christ returns at the end of the tribulation we will return with Him
The Antichrist will set himself up in the the rebuilt jewish temple in the middle of the tribulation and convince many that he is the messiah
The Jews will not accept this however.
M
Well, for this generation I would haft to say it's the second most important Christian topic of our time. Christ spent much of His time teaching of the tribulation and the Day of the Lord. Look how much of Christ's testimony is in the book of Revelations alone, much-less the four Gospels. Since, this is a Christian website I would haft to say most here are saved, then it's only natural this subject would receive much attention. When Christ told us of the endtimes He more than once said "take head", it's not a subject to be taken lightly.
I enjoy how you left off the specifics JESUS spoke about in MATTHEW 24:1-20
WHERE
JESUS HIMSELF
CLEARLY
states AFTER the completion of the GOSPEL has been preached
THEN
and only THEN
will we see what DANIEL was speaking about
which is TRIBULATION
THIS MEANS
WE BELIEVERS and FOLLOWERS of GOD HIS CHURCH and BRIDE
WILL
NOT
SEE
OR
WITNESS
the Antichrist
LOOK
if your going to make a point
remember in verse 3 the questions were asked to JESUS
NOW
I AGREE
that after Antichrist has securely taken over Israel and going into the last 3 1/2 years of TRIBULATION
THAT
TERRIBLE
TERRIBLE
WRATH of TRIBULATION will occur
READ
REVELATIONS 9
THIS
IS
NOT
for the suffering of the BRIDE
BUT
these same people that remain
are the people that will have 5/6 of them SLAUGHTERED
in
ARMAGEDDON
and the
1/6 left
will be under our control
during
MILLENEUM
M
Daniel 12:11-12 (King James Version)
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Wait friend, don't follow the first to come.
I'll post the entirety of Matt 24 when I get back and lets post Rev 9 also and take a look at it.. I have to run into town to take care of some business and will be back shortly.
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Wait friend, don't follow the first to come.
I'll post the entirety of Matt 24 when I get back and lets post Rev 9 also and take a look at it.. I have to run into town to take care of some business and will be back shortly.
THIS
is after Antichrist has taken over Israel and controls all world-wide interests
THE BRIDE
will never see the Antichrist
BUT if you want to believe any other way.......
Then I suggest
you live your life like your going thru TRIBULATION
which for many tells me they can still party and do all of those things they really desire
then when the
CRAP HITS THE FAN
they can immediately get right and live right for however long it takes before they are called away
WRONG
WRONG
WRONG
WRONG
A thief in the twinkiling of an eye means
WE HAVE NO CLUE
MEANING NO
BEGINNING TO TRIBULATION
AND REVELATION OF ANTICHRIST
ALIVE AND WELL IN ACTION
SEE
IF ANTICHRIST WAS ALIVE AND WE KNEW IT
WE WOULD HAVE A CLUE
A THIEF
GIVES NO CLUES
Tribulationists don't and won't know the start and end date of the tribultion for a few reasons a) the events of the stsart of the 7 year tribulation period are subtle, and b) 7 years is in prophetic years and could be more or less in our calender..
There is no rapture until tribulation, just like there was no ark until the flood.
There is no rapture until tribulation, just like there was no ark until the flood.