Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[SAVAS]

Is formal church Pillar of truth?

With love and sincerity, I represent this fact.

High rank church/vatican officer does gang rape in the Church headquarter/ the very holy place.

the tree show by it fruit.

Emanuela Orlandi 'was kidnapped for sex parties for Vatican police'

A teenage girl whose disappearance in Rome has remained a mystery for 30 years was kidnapped for sex parties by a gang involving Vatican police and foreign diplomats, the Roman Catholic Church's leading exorcist has claimed.

Emanuela Orlandi, who was 15 at the time of her disappearance, was the daughter of a Vatican employee Photo: Rex






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By Nick Squires, Rome

8:11PM BST 22 May 2012



Father Gabriele Amorth, who was appointed by the late John Paul II as the Vatican's chief exorcist and claims to have performed thousands of exorcisms, said Emanuela Orlandi was later murdered and her body disposed of.

In the latest twist in one of the Holy See's most enduring mysteries, he said the 15-year-old schoolgirl was snatched from the streets of central Rome in the summer of 1983 and forced to take part in sex parties.

"This was a crime with a sexual motive. Parties were organised, with a Vatican gendarme acting as the 'recruiter' of the girls.

"The network involved diplomatic personnel from a foreign embassy to the Holy See. I believe Emanuela ended up a victim of this circle," Father Amorth, the honorary president of the International Association of Exorcists, told La Stampa newspaper.

The debate over who kidnapped Emanuela and what became of her has raged in Italy for three decades.

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your very ignorant if you think the Catholic Church is the only Church that has ever committed a sin. Out of the 40,000 denominations in America you think that nothing like this has ever happened?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNl52deOZro

 

[valiant]

your very ignorant if you think the Catholic Church is the only Church that has ever committed a sin. Out of the 40,000 denominations in America you think that nothing like this has ever happened?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNl52deOZro

But of the Big Daddy Pope is unable to manage his own household he should not be running a church, that's the difference. We would at least expect purity at the centre.

 

[SAVAS]

But of the Big Daddy Pope is unable to manage his own household he should not be running a church, that's the difference. We would at least expect purity at the centre.

people have free will, nobody can control that, no matter how pure the source is.

 

[valiant]

Your still not understanding. Your still using the word "dead". The body of Christ doesn't die man.

I understand perfectly. As far as this world is concerned they are dead. Thus to contact them is to contact the dead, and that is forbidden in Scripture.

Hebrews 12:23

New Living Translation
You have come to the assembly of God's firstborn children, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God himself, who is the judge over all things. You have come to the spirits of the righteous ones in heaven who have now been made perfect.

Where is the suggestion that they can be contacted, or can hear our prayers, or (blasphemous thought) can persuade Jesus Christ to do what otherwise He would not?

We are informed that it is Jesus Christ Who ever lives to make intercession for us. Are you suggesting that He is incapable or unwilling?. He does not need 'helpers'. And the Holy Spirit makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. What need have we of anyone else. It makes God sound incapable.

And its not like we seek the contact, or want to meet them and have a cup of tea. We humbly ask that they pray for our souls. Why?

It is WORSE THAN SEEKING CONTACT WITH THEM. You are assuming that Jesus Christ will fall down on His job. You are doubting whether He will accomplish His saving work without your help. Why should they need to pray for our souls? IS GOD INADEQUATE OR UNWILLING?

Because of this:

James 5:16

New Living Translation
Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The earnest prayer of a righteous person has great power and produces wonderful results.

Yes on earth. Pray for EACH OTHER, you who are living and alive on earth. It is a righteous man ON EARTH whose prayer has great power and produces wonderful results. NOTHING IS EVER SAID about getting those in Heaven to pray for us . The silence of SCRIPTURE is deafening..

So, Valient we know from Hebrews the great assembly that resides in Heaven. We know that some peoples prayers have great power from James and finally we must intercede with one another in Timothy

]So OBEY the Scriptures. Recognise that effective prayer is only made by those on earth.

1 Tim 2:1

I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;

And to whom is this addressed? To men on earth. It is all part of God's plan of redemption. We live together, walk together, pray together. We do not look for heavenly crutches.

Valient, if your interpretation claims that "all men" is only those living in the world you see, then we must agree to disagree. I know its confusing to you, "Christ is the only mediator 1 Tim 2:5".

Of course 'all men' applies only to those living on earth. We have no indication anywhere in Scripture that it is otherwise. It is not confusing to me it is perfectly straightforward. Our responsibility in prayer is part of our growing into His likeness. And Christ and the Holy Spirit are interceding for us all the time. What need have we of other intercessors outside this world. Are Christ and the Holy Spirit insufficient. BY USING INTERMEDIARIES WE ARE HINDERING OUR OWN CONTACT WITH CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. WE ARE USING CRUTCHES.

But if we use your logic or interpretation, you and I would be wasting our time praying for one another right?

IT IS NOT MY LOGIC IT IS THE SCRIPTURES. Prayer for ourselves and for others is a vital part of our restoration. As we pray together so we grow together. But if we succeed we do so because we go 'in Jesus' Name' and because the Holy Spirit prays through us with groanings which cannot be uttered. How can that be a waste of time. It brings us constantly closer and closer to God. And that is the main point of prayer.

 

[valiant]

people have free will, nobody can control that, no matter how pure the source is.

but they can cut out the rottenness, and not try to cover it up like the Roman Catholic church does..

if the root was pure so would be the branches

 

[Femalelamb]

I digress. Such hostility. did anyone consider my post at all?

 

[Jackson123]

your very ignorant if you think the Catholic Church is the only Church that has ever committed a sin. Out of the 40,000 denominations in America you think that nothing like this has ever happened?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNl52deOZro

1. did I said catholic church is the only church ever committed sin?

2. Can you show me the church committed sin that level? Gang rape in his headquarter?

3. Pillar of the truth is bible the word of God not a church.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

As erroneous and dangerous as the RCC doctrine of papal infallibility is, it is important to remember that there are associated RCC doctrinal conditions that constrict papal infallibility (a fact few Protestants seem to be aware of).

And it's important to understand that the U.S. business private sector and many Protestant churches and organizations also assisted with the rise of and aid to Adolph Hitler (Time Magazine's 'Man of the Year' in 1938 [the magazine chose Joseph Stalin in 1939]) and Nazi Germany.

World-class think tanks like the Hoover Institution at Stanford University clearly proved both in their extensive historical research into the matter. For an introduction to the business sector side, read scholar Anthony C Sutton's Wall Street & the Rise of Hitler, for example.

If we're going to throw stones at an organization that threw stones when we threw the same stones in the same place and time, then I think we need to at least be honest with our own stone throwing.

When one considers that the pope is considered infallible according to church doctrine, and he's the representative of Jesus on earth, the history of the papacy must then demonstrate a pristine righteous image in order to truly be God's representative on earth. During WW2 Hitler, an avowed Catholic, was not excommunicated by Pope Pius XII. Nor were any of his henchmen who were Roman Catholic. Why? Probably because Pope Pius XII was antisemitic.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by AngelFrog

When one considers that the pope is considered infallible according to church doctrine, and he's the representative of Jesus on earth, the history of the papacy must then demonstrate a pristine righteous image in order to truly be God's representative on earth. During WW2 Hitler, an avowed Catholic, was not excommunicated by Pope Pius XII. Nor were any of his henchmen who were Roman Catholic. Why? Probably because Pope Pius XII was antisemitic.

As erroneous and dangerous as the RCC doctrine of papal infallibility is, it is important to remember that there are associated RCC doctrinal conditions that constrict papal infallibility (a fact few Protestants seem to be aware of).

And it's important to understand that the U.S. business private sector and many Protestant churches and organizations also assisted with the rise of and aid to Adolph Hitler (Time Magazine's 'Man of the Year' in 1938 [the magazine chose Joseph Stalin in 1939]) and Nazi Germany.

World-class think tanks like the Hoover Institution at Stanford University clearly proved both in their extensive historical research into the matter. For an introduction to the business sector side, read scholar Anthony C Sutton's Wall Street & the Rise of Hitler, for example.

If we're going to throw stones at an organization that threw stones when we threw the same stones in the same place and time, then I think we need to at least be honest with our own stone throwing.

Judging from his other posts Angelfrog is a Roman Catholic

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Acknowledged. That doesn't take away from the truth of what I posted, however.

Judging from his other posts Angelfrog is a Roman Catholic

 

[mwc68]

I have not seen you post anything about the countless pastors and youth pastors abusing children. why leave those criminals out? Is it you just don't like priests?

 

[valiant]

I have not seen you post anything about the countless pastors and youth pastors abusing children. why leave those criminals out? Is it you just don't like priests?

countless? if you know so much you should report it to the police. and don't forget to include the 'countless' priests. They are most likely for they have taken on themselves what is for many the impossible burden of official abstinence from sex.

 

[PeterJens]

It is with great sadness I read of how far Mary has progressed in RC theology. She was blessed above all women to be the mother of Jesus, the one who remember special incidents, but that is all.

The point Jesus made is family loyalty is part of who we are, not part of what we follow. The spiritual conquering of sin through love transforming your heart, is the reality of walking in faith. The reality of the aesthetic failing through monasticsm, and self punishment, show the emptiness of the idea by discipline you can change the soul of a human being. Because of this failure theology was invented, intercession of the saints, of Mary, of those who have died before the Lord is meant to change the fate of humans.

If you make hell so bad and so certain so eternal, then anything to prevent or buy off people from this fate, is worth following. The male image is hard and condemning, legalistic but the female, caring, sympathetic and empathetic is more appealing.

Now Jesus talks about the 2nd death as something to avoid, as the down side of sin, but most of what he is preaching on is life and love, how to deal with people appropriately. He points out the religious people of his day did not teach error in obeying the law, or about the good principles behind the law, but got the emphasis wrong, and behind closed doors lived a hypocritical life. He called their failure, yeast, the putting on a show, while accepting it never worked.

But the ultimate question, deep in our souls is who do we love, and how do we express it. To those who have given up and just want a lucky charm, to invest in something that will buy you out of trouble, RC is full of it. But this is not what Jesus came to offer, or what it means to follow him.

 

[GoodGnus]

It was not a church council. Paul and Barnabas had come to Jerusalem to defend the right of Gentiles not to be circumcised before the Apostles and elders of the Jerusalem church. Only the Jerusalem church were present including the Apostles. They agreed on the basis of Scripture that circumcision was not required, and that Gentiles were not bound by Jewish ritual law. The only thing they asked was that Gentiles Christians would consider Jewish feelings so that they could eat together.

It was not seen as binding on the Gentile Christians, and soon got dropped. We don't find it mentioned later. It was certainly not a council of a number of churches. And it had no final authority. It was Paul's attempt agreed to by the Apostles to maintain unity between Jewish and Gentile Christians.

Either the churches were independent or they were not. Please explain what the role of the Apostle was in the independent local church.

 

[valiant]

Either the churches were independent or they were not. Please explain what the role of the Apostle was in the independent local church.

They were teachers and advisers. But they never claimed authority over them. They sought to persuade. Their 'authority' was a moral authority that arose from the fact that they had known Jesus. They did not lord it over them. The final say lay with the churches. Once the Apostles were dead no one replaced them.

 

[mwc68]

Just as i thought, yall are hypocrites when it comes to the sex avuse scandal. expose only the Catholics and cover up the rest. understood

 

[valiant]

Just as i thought, yall are hypocrites when it comes to the sex avuse scandal. expose only the Catholics and cover up the rest. understood

LOL I called on you to expose the rest. Every deviant should be exposed, no exceptions.

 

[MikeHenderson]

I see that mattp0625 refuses to show proof in the Scriptures about Mary needing to be sinless to keep Jesus sinless. I see that mattp0625 has refused to provide evidence from the Scriptures that God said Mary was "without sin".

Therefore we have to come to the conclusion that God never said Mary was without sin and God never said Mary needed to be sinless.

Everything mattp0625 teaches about Mary is not from God, but instead is from his father Satan.

I challenge you mattp0625 to prove me wrong. Show me and the rest here that what you teach about Mary is from God and His Scriptures.

There is no proof any of your teaching are from God. Why mattp0625 do you hate God so much? What has God done to you that demands you teach lies from Satan as truths from God?

You do know that by doing this you are putting your Eternal soul in danger of Hell fire mattp0625?

God has declared that all those who do not do the Will of the Father can never enter into Heaven. Teaching that Mary was without sin is not doing the Will of the Father mattp0625.

We now can reject everything mattp0625 says because he has no Truth in him. We can now reject everything the Catholics say because there is no Truth in their teachings from the Catholic Church.

You can clear this up very easy mattp0625, just provide us the Scriptures that say Mary was without sin.

 

[KenAllan]

It seems to me the Catholics are trying to change the subject away from what they teach to what other Churches do that are sins.

AngelFrog is a Roman Catholic. If you look at the quote she has at the bottom of her page you will see she is quoting from the Gospel of Thomas which is a false book and is not from God.

Compare what the Catholics teach with what God says and you will see the Evil that the Catholics are trying to pass off as Truths from God. Ignore about the arguments about what other Churches do, focus instead on bringing the Truth in the Scriptures to the Catholics.

If you notice every time we show the Catholics what God says in the Scriptures they always answer with what the Catholic Church says. Very few times have they ever used the Scriptures. This is because 99% of what they teach is not in the Scriptures.

I agree with Mike, the Catholics need to show us in the Scriptures where God said Mary was without sin. The Catholics need to show is in the Scriptures where God said Mary needed to be without sin.

I know for a fact the Catholics cannot show us because its not in the Scriptures. Therefore we are to conclude the Catholics see nothing wrong with lying about what God teaches. Do you Catholics know that God hates a lying tongue?

Proverbs 6:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP] These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood


God hates it when the Catholics lie all the time which makes lying a Mortal sin to the Catholics.

 

[AngelFrog]

Just as i thought, yall are hypocrites when it comes to the sex avuse scandal. expose only the Catholics and cover up the rest. understood

You're in a Catholic Heresy thread. "The rest" are off topic!

Marginalizing child molestation by Roman Catholic Priests isn't going to change deviant Pedophile-Priest history that the RCC has often times known about, covered up, transferred the offender Pedophile to other parishes without forewarning those Parishes a child molester is to arrive on new hunting ground, or in the case of Joseph Ratzinger, officially orders a cover up to take place and even goes so far to do that himself when he was in a lesser office.

And for the record, these Pedophile Priests are not gay!
If they were gay they'd have their opportunity with each other as consenting gay adult males who all live together in the Rectory.