The Seven Holy Spirits of God

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yaright

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I'm not sure why there is doubt concerning the things Isaiah spoke/speaks of.
Isaiah 11:2, which says, “The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him — the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.” (1) Spirit of the LORD, (2) Spirit of wisdom, (3) Spirit of understanding, (4) Spirit of counsel, (5) Spirit of power, (6) Spirit of knowledge, (7) Spirit of the fear of the Lord." Each of these are specific natures of the Spirit of God in all matter and teaching in the bible. In other words the seven trumpets are the calling of these natures addressing the coming of our Lord and King. This is the power of the gentle creature revealed when Jesus immediately stepped out/away from the baptism to begin what we see today as the path He laid out before us that leads to the Cross. Each trumpets the calling of each church respectively. The meaning does not change. I hope as you examine the identity of these things that you find this helpful in your search for understanding.
 
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yaright said:
I'm not sure why there is doubt concerning the things Isaiah spoke/speaks of.
Isaiah 11:2, which says, “The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him — the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.” (1) Spirit of the LORD, (2) Spirit of wisdom, (3) Spirit of understanding, (4) Spirit of counsel, (5) Spirit of power, (6) Spirit of knowledge, (7) Spirit of the fear of the Lord." Each of these are specific natures of the Spirit of God in all matter and teaching in the bible. In other words the seven trumpets are the calling of these natures addressing the coming of our Lord and King. This is the power of the gentle creature revealed when Jesus immediately stepped out/away from the baptism to begin what we see today as the path He laid out before us that leads to the Cross. Each trumpets the calling of each church respectively. The meaning does not change. I hope as you examine the identity of these things that you find this helpful in your search for understanding.
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But Isaiah was speaking of ONE SPIRIT with seven different aspects. John is specifically speaking of seven spirits not of a sevenfold Spirit. You cannot glide the one into the other without doing injustice to the text. The Holy Spirit is NOT seven spirits.
 
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yaright

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valiant said:
But Isaiah was speaking of ONE SPIRIT with seven different aspects. John is specifically speaking of seven spirits not of a sevenfold Spirit. You cannot glide the one into the other without doing injustice to the text. The Holy Spirit is NOT seven spirits.
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You and I are saying the same thing. These are natures, each identifiable. All of these are the power (united) in the Spirit of God. Each of these natures are spirit, just like all natures found in you are human. Don't stop; carefully consider that the reasoning of men is not the reasoning of God. When we say the power of God. Is it simply power according to the reasoning of men. Please don't make that mistake. There is nothing wrong with challenging. Don't stop, you are very close.
 
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yaright

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valiant said:
But Isaiah was speaking of ONE SPIRIT with seven different aspects. John is specifically speaking of seven spirits not of a sevenfold Spirit. You cannot glide the one into the other without doing injustice to the text. The Holy Spirit is NOT seven spirits.
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I need to apologize valiant. I trust the Spirit's work in your life. There are churches spoken of in the New Testament. Each had a complaint against them; Each had a nature that was not being addressed properly. Collectively they represented the power of the church of Christ (One Church). But to solve problems in the church, it is helpful to understand the nature that isn't thriving.
 
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yaright said:
You and I are saying the same thing. These are natures, each identifiable. All of these are the power (united) in the Spirit of God. Each of these natures are spirit, just like all natures found in you are human. Don't stop; carefully consider that the reasoning of men is not the reasoning of God. When we say the power of God. Is it simply power according to the reasoning of men. Please don't make that mistake. There is nothing wrong with challenging. Don't stop, you are very close.
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the seven spirits BEFORE the throne are the elect angels of 1 Timothy 5.21
 
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yaright

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valiant said:
the seven spirits BEFORE the throne are the elect angels of 1 Timothy 5.21
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Why is it said Jesus and His Father are 'One'..., and obviously to some there are two or three? This is a hidden language I've spoken of in many posts; One you can see, and the other is hidden in plain sight, but the image of the unseen cannot be known without the evidence of things God put on this earth. Without Jesus, we wouldn't come to know His Father without Jesus. The number seven does not change; It consistently means the same thing in purpose and value. There is no end to understanding, and with that I'll admit I am little more than a child asking questions of things belonging
to my heavenly Father. I cannot and will not say or mean to imply that you are wrong. Your statement is absolutely true.
 
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Chrysolite

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I don't think God has 7 Holy Spirits. In the context of Revelation, these 7 spirits stand before God. These are the seven angels. Angels are spirits, thus the 7 spirits of God. Angels are also called stars.

Revelation 1:4 Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

Revelation 3:1 “The One who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars says: I know your works; you have a reputation for being alive, but you are dead.

Thus, 7 spirits=7 angels=7 stars
 
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Chrysolite said:
I don't think God has 7 Holy Spirits. In the context of Revelation, these 7 spirits stand before God. These are the seven angels. Angels are spirits, thus the 7 spirits of God. Angels are also called stars.

Revelation 1:4 Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

Revelation 3:1 “The One who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars says: I know your works; you have a reputation for being alive, but you are dead.

Thus, 7 spirits=7 angels=7 stars
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"And from the seven spirits who are before His throne." There is no justification for the capitalization of "spirits". This is not a description of the nature of God.
a. This statement cannot be understood apart from 4:5 which reads "And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God;" The seven spirits which are the seven lamps of fire that burn before to throne are the seven churches to whom this revelation is sent (verse 20), "As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lamp stands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lamp stands are the seven churches."
b. Their position is "before" the throne.

* The significance of "before the throne" could be for the purpose of judgment, particularly since we will see this judgment of the fidelity of these seven churches weighed in the balances in chapters two and three.
* Since this is found in the body of the salutation, "before the throne" could also simply represent the position that the church holds as those who belong to God hence the expression "which are the seven spirits of God;" ('Which are' - ἃ - nominative neuter plural).

 
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