I study my faith and the evidence for me shows we are the only Apostolic Faith. Now you will berate me for scripture and i don't have it. I have seen the scriptures and have had them shown to me. Did i commit them to memory? No, they confirmed what i already had. faith in. For me worshipping God is more than just memorizing scripture. I think most of you have forgotten this in you zeal to cut down the next Catholic with the sword they gave you
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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You said it right when you said you trust the church. Your error as many here have been endeavoring to point out is that it is Christ whom is to be trusted. Scripture never teaches trust in the church only trust in Christ.
Scripture also concludes that two can walk together only if they agree. Amos 3:3. I understand why those lost in the RCC would encourage you to avoid the truth of Gods word. This is exactly what Jesus said of the Pharisees. Jesus said that they searched the world over to make a single proselyte and when you have you make him twice the child of hell that you are. Mat 23:15
Jehovah God said of Israel that these people serve Me with their lips but their heart is far from Me.
Consider carefully if you will believe God or believe men.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Scripture also concludes that two can walk together only if they agree. Amos 3:3. I understand why those lost in the RCC would encourage you to avoid the truth of Gods word. This is exactly what Jesus said of the Pharisees. Jesus said that they searched the world over to make a single proselyte and when you have you make him twice the child of hell that you are. Mat 23:15
Jehovah God said of Israel that these people serve Me with their lips but their heart is far from Me.
Consider carefully if you will believe God or believe men.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Perhaps you should define "Apostolic faith". If that translates into faith in the pope because you have been taught that he is in succession to the Apostles then you need to question why your faith is not placed in the bible which is Gods word given to men and promised to endure till the end of the world.
Do you really want to follow men or follow God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Do you really want to follow men or follow God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The Bible is clear on what is important. It does not need interpretation. It means what it says. And it certainly does not need Roman Catholic attempts to twist it the way they want. You talk as though the Bible is not clear. It IS clear on what is important. It is just that it does not suit your church so they have to make it difficult.
LOL you don't for you immediately go on to say that you trust a man made fallible organisation that has strayed from the truth. If you trusted God YOU WOULD TRUST HIS WORD.
YOU TRUST NOTHING OF THE KIND. The true church is founded on Christ, and Christ alone. He did not hand it over to Peter. Such an idea is ridiculous. He Himself has taken responsibility for it. And ALL the Apostles had an equal part to play in its establishment. And since then it has been in the hands of men of the Spirit until the dark ages of the Roman Catholic church. But even then spiritual men kept a remnant pure . He certainly did not hand it over to the hooligans of the Roman Catholic church. He would have had to be mad to do so. Murderers and adulterers the lot. You live in a dream world, which may well turn into a nightmare. But you are so brainwashed you cannot see the truth for lies.
I am pleased you are getting what you expect. We would not want to disappoint you.
you mean with other brainwashed people? I notice you did not say 'know the Word.'
Big deal!!!!
Which you are if it isn't making you study the word of God for yourself
The Jews trusted the Scribes and Pharisees. But they were WRONG.
If you really had the Holy Spirit He would be leading you into truth, not into the morass of Roman Catholic lies.
LOL you don't for you immediately go on to say that you trust a man made fallible organisation that has strayed from the truth. If you trusted God YOU WOULD TRUST HIS WORD.
YOU TRUST NOTHING OF THE KIND. The true church is founded on Christ, and Christ alone. He did not hand it over to Peter. Such an idea is ridiculous. He Himself has taken responsibility for it. And ALL the Apostles had an equal part to play in its establishment. And since then it has been in the hands of men of the Spirit until the dark ages of the Roman Catholic church. But even then spiritual men kept a remnant pure . He certainly did not hand it over to the hooligans of the Roman Catholic church. He would have had to be mad to do so. Murderers and adulterers the lot. You live in a dream world, which may well turn into a nightmare. But you are so brainwashed you cannot see the truth for lies.
I am pleased you are getting what you expect. We would not want to disappoint you.
you mean with other brainwashed people? I notice you did not say 'know the Word.'
Big deal!!!!
Which you are if it isn't making you study the word of God for yourself
The Jews trusted the Scribes and Pharisees. But they were WRONG.
If you really had the Holy Spirit He would be leading you into truth, not into the morass of Roman Catholic lies.
Mwc68, the Catholic Church doers not have the Authority on the Interpretation of the Scriptures! I keep telling you its the Holy Spirit that has the Authority on the interpretation of the Scriptures.
1 Corinthians 2:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit TEACHES, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Its the Holy Spirit that teaches us what the Scriptures say. The Roman Catholic Church has NO authority to interpret the Scriptures by themselves! The Popes of the Catholic Church has NO authority to interpret the Scriptures by themselves!
Its with the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit in men who Worship and follow God that HAVE the Authority to interpret the Scriptures!
Neither the Catholic Church nor the Catholics have the Authority to interpret Scriptures WITHOUT the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I know for a fact neither you mwc68 nor the people running the Catholic Church has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. How can i tell you ask?
Its from the reading of the Doctrines about Mary from the Catholics i can see no one has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit says Mary was a sinner, you mwc68 and the rest of the Catholics call the Holy Spirit a liar and teach Mary was without sin.
Therefore neither you nor the Roman Catholic Church have the Authority from God to interpret Scriptures!
You claim to have faith mwc68, but of what faith is it? Is it the Faith from God that the Holy Spirit has ALL the Truth?
Or is it the faith from the Roman Catholic Church that CLAIMS it is the only true Church?
What exactly are you putting your faith in mwc68? If you are putting your faith in the Roman Catholic Church then you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit! If you put your Faith in Jesus Christ that He will fill you with the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit you will receive Salvation and will enter into Heaven!
The problem mwc68 is your faith is in a building here on this Earth, the Roman Catholic Church and not in God. For if your Faith was in Jesus Christ you would have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and He would teach you ALL the Truths in the Scriptures!
1 Corinthians 2:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit TEACHES, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Its the Holy Spirit that teaches us what the Scriptures say. The Roman Catholic Church has NO authority to interpret the Scriptures by themselves! The Popes of the Catholic Church has NO authority to interpret the Scriptures by themselves!
Its with the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit in men who Worship and follow God that HAVE the Authority to interpret the Scriptures!
Neither the Catholic Church nor the Catholics have the Authority to interpret Scriptures WITHOUT the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I know for a fact neither you mwc68 nor the people running the Catholic Church has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. How can i tell you ask?
Its from the reading of the Doctrines about Mary from the Catholics i can see no one has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit says Mary was a sinner, you mwc68 and the rest of the Catholics call the Holy Spirit a liar and teach Mary was without sin.
Therefore neither you nor the Roman Catholic Church have the Authority from God to interpret Scriptures!
You claim to have faith mwc68, but of what faith is it? Is it the Faith from God that the Holy Spirit has ALL the Truth?
Or is it the faith from the Roman Catholic Church that CLAIMS it is the only true Church?
What exactly are you putting your faith in mwc68? If you are putting your faith in the Roman Catholic Church then you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit! If you put your Faith in Jesus Christ that He will fill you with the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit you will receive Salvation and will enter into Heaven!
The problem mwc68 is your faith is in a building here on this Earth, the Roman Catholic Church and not in God. For if your Faith was in Jesus Christ you would have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and He would teach you ALL the Truths in the Scriptures!
Mwc68 you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit because you teach lies from the Roman Catholic Church as truths from God.
You can talk to all the people you want to in the Roman Catholic Church but they will not tell you the truth.
If you want the Truth, go to a Baptist Church and ask these people what the Truth is! Go to Calvary Chapel and speak to the Pastor there and you will receive the Truth! Theses Church have more Authority from God and these Churches has more Truth in it then the Roman Catholic Church!
You keep forgetting mwc68 I was born and raised in the Catholic Church! I know all the lies the Pope teaches! I know more about the Catholic Church then most Catholics do! You cannot fool me mwc68 i see right through your lies!
You can talk to all the people you want to in the Roman Catholic Church but they will not tell you the truth.
If you want the Truth, go to a Baptist Church and ask these people what the Truth is! Go to Calvary Chapel and speak to the Pastor there and you will receive the Truth! Theses Church have more Authority from God and these Churches has more Truth in it then the Roman Catholic Church!
You keep forgetting mwc68 I was born and raised in the Catholic Church! I know all the lies the Pope teaches! I know more about the Catholic Church then most Catholics do! You cannot fool me mwc68 i see right through your lies!
So tell me do you have any compassion for those still in the RCC? What led you out? Brow beating or just straight up demeaning behavior by the person witnessing to you?
My concern here is not that what you have said is untrue for it is essentially so when evaluated with the bible but I'm seeing harsh treatment toward lost souls that will not point them to Christ but present a less than inviting image of Christ. Col 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace...
Can we tone down the rhetoric and give a kind answer that shows forth the grace of God?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
My concern here is not that what you have said is untrue for it is essentially so when evaluated with the bible but I'm seeing harsh treatment toward lost souls that will not point them to Christ but present a less than inviting image of Christ. Col 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace...
Can we tone down the rhetoric and give a kind answer that shows forth the grace of God?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
it is sad, that , statistically, there is almost no chance for you.
but yahweh's promise is to everyone no matter their age, country, 'faith'(or lack thereof), politics, education, social status, and so on -----
yahweh is no respecter of persons --- if (IF) ("I" "F") you put your trust in HIM... and call on HIM while there is still time,
while it is still "TODAY" (if it is),
HE HIMSELF WILL SAVE YOU ---- and no man anywhere can .... only HE can, as HE pleases.
i.e. there's no official church to refer you to that would guarantee your salvation.
(there is one unknown(underground) group that has the best success rate- humanly speaking- but
almost anywhere you go, including if you could talk with jesus directly(which you can and should btw),
no one can help you if you don't seek the creator and repent .
IF you do(have already) seek the creator and repent, no one can stop you! the
creator is the one in charge and who is able to save or condemn you.
but yahweh's promise is to everyone no matter their age, country, 'faith'(or lack thereof), politics, education, social status, and so on -----
yahweh is no respecter of persons --- if (IF) ("I" "F") you put your trust in HIM... and call on HIM while there is still time,
while it is still "TODAY" (if it is),
HE HIMSELF WILL SAVE YOU ---- and no man anywhere can .... only HE can, as HE pleases.
i.e. there's no official church to refer you to that would guarantee your salvation.
(there is one unknown(underground) group that has the best success rate- humanly speaking- but
almost anywhere you go, including if you could talk with jesus directly(which you can and should btw),
no one can help you if you don't seek the creator and repent .
IF you do(have already) seek the creator and repent, no one can stop you! the
creator is the one in charge and who is able to save or condemn you.
How about your PRIDE in your knowledge that Mary is sinless? Where is your PRIDE coming from? Is it Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit or is it the building here on Earth the Roman Catholic Church that is your PRIDE?
Our "so-called knowledge" that you hate and reject is from the Holy Spirit!
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
The Holy Spirit says ALL have sinned. What i know and what i teach IS from this verse which IS from the Holy Spirit. So how can you call this Truth from God "so-called knowledge"?
I see your Pride is in the knowledge from Satan, not God, not Jesus Christ, and not from the Holy Spirit.
There is a big difference in actually hating a person as oppose to bringing them the Truth in the Scriptures from God. You see us hating you because we bring you the Truth and you trample on them. We do not hate you, we do hate the lies you try to spread in the name of Jesus Christ!
I'm not a self proclaimed expert, though i did go through Bible college, i just teach what the Holy Spirit says and He says Mary is a sinner.
Our "so-called knowledge" that you hate and reject is from the Holy Spirit!
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
The Holy Spirit says ALL have sinned. What i know and what i teach IS from this verse which IS from the Holy Spirit. So how can you call this Truth from God "so-called knowledge"?
I see your Pride is in the knowledge from Satan, not God, not Jesus Christ, and not from the Holy Spirit.
There is a big difference in actually hating a person as oppose to bringing them the Truth in the Scriptures from God. You see us hating you because we bring you the Truth and you trample on them. We do not hate you, we do hate the lies you try to spread in the name of Jesus Christ!
I'm not a self proclaimed expert, though i did go through Bible college, i just teach what the Holy Spirit says and He says Mary is a sinner.
To attack others faith and say they are the children of satan is at best harsh, at worse prideful and arrogant, I my self do not agree with some of what the Catholic church teaches, but then again I don't agree with some of what so-called protestant churches teach either, that said, I think it would be better to speak to others with more tact and compassion, it seems to me your purpose is not a sincere attempt to correct error but just to bash and belittle, your motive is clearly not from a heart of love for those you may feel are lost in error, I say this because if you were really concerned for others you would not call them children of satan, in stead you would entreat them as the brothers and sisters in Messiah that they are, it is one thing to judge ones motives but to presume to judge ones eternal destiny is another thing altogether, I suggest you pray about this and try to be a little more humble and compassionate..
Notuptome, i have very little compassion for the Roman Catholic Church because most of my Family was in that Church and most of them died while still in the Roman Catholic Church. However i did bring my Mom out of the Roman Catholic Church into a true Christian Church! My Mom DID accept Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior and did accept Salvation from Jesus Christ!
Sadly though 1 year later she died of pancreatic cancer.
So my Mom IS in Heaven and my Family refused to speak to me for years and years afterward.
Sadly my Brothers and Sisters have all died in their sin in the Roman Catholic Church. To this day my father still refuses to talk to me because i brought my Mom out of that false Church.
Its hard to be kind to people who are doing the will of Satan. Its very hard to be kind to people who would rather see someone in Hell with them.
It was when i went to College that i found the Truth in the True Church which is the body of Jesus Christ! This was back in 1965 when i finally was able to break away from the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church! I never went back to the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church and i never want to.
I found the Truth in God back in 1965. I finally received Salvation in 1965, and i was filled with the Holy Spirit. This was during the Jesus movement that sweep the nation.
Sadly though 1 year later she died of pancreatic cancer.
So my Mom IS in Heaven and my Family refused to speak to me for years and years afterward.
Sadly my Brothers and Sisters have all died in their sin in the Roman Catholic Church. To this day my father still refuses to talk to me because i brought my Mom out of that false Church.
Its hard to be kind to people who are doing the will of Satan. Its very hard to be kind to people who would rather see someone in Hell with them.
It was when i went to College that i found the Truth in the True Church which is the body of Jesus Christ! This was back in 1965 when i finally was able to break away from the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church! I never went back to the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church and i never want to.
I found the Truth in God back in 1965. I finally received Salvation in 1965, and i was filled with the Holy Spirit. This was during the Jesus movement that sweep the nation.
How can a person be compassionate towards those who are doing their best to deceive people so they will miss out on Heaven? How can a person be compassionate when the Catholics laugh with glee when others end up in Hell because they followed the Catholic Church?
How can a person be compassionate when their family turns their back on them and cuts them off from the Family? How can a person be compassionate when they are totally rejected and scorned by their family for over 40 years just for finding Jesus Christ?
Sorry i cannot forgive the Catholics for the Evil they have done. There was NO love for me from them so why should i give love to those who do evil.
How can a person be compassionate when their family turns their back on them and cuts them off from the Family? How can a person be compassionate when they are totally rejected and scorned by their family for over 40 years just for finding Jesus Christ?
Sorry i cannot forgive the Catholics for the Evil they have done. There was NO love for me from them so why should i give love to those who do evil.
For the last time and i will not answerit anymore. i believe in God the Father Almighty and in Jesus Christ His only Son. I believe in the Holy Spirit. who with the Father and Son is adored and Glorified. PERIOD!!!!!!!! Quit saying i don't believe this. You are on dangerous ground pretending you are God!
I try to lead a Christian life of charity and putting others ahead of myself. I fail in this daily. My Lord and Savior Jesus. Christ gives me the strenght to keep running the race. St. Paul has taught me to keep my eye on the prize and work out my own salvation with fear and trembling . Iam in awe of God and i know i am not worthy of His call. But He has called me and I amswered. For you to say i don't have God is irresponsible and shows you might not have God