Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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But it was Jesus Himself who told us that those who put tradition before the word of God were 'blind fools'. Should we not accept His words? :)

Matthew 5 was talking about a general dismissal of someone without grounds. It is not forbidden when we have grounds provided by Jesus :)
Not a bad squirm there, Valiant old mate.
But we'd need to see the full text for both those claims ..... so we can check your interpretation thereof.
 

valiant

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Not a bad squirm there, Valiant old mate.
But we'd need to see the full text for both those claims ..... so we can check your interpretation thereof.
Actually it is not a squirm but a plain fact :) you will find the texts in the Bible
 

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God did not stretch out His hands to the pagan nations, but to Israel, whom He called and chose.

There are a few from the rcc He called, and some of them were chosen and came out.

Most are like the babylonians, lost forever. (according to Scripture).

oh, they 'can' be saved, but the babylonians had a better chance i think.
God gave His word through Israel. Israel was to give Gods world to the pagan nations round about them. There is a universal call to all men to be saved. There is a personal call to those who respond to the universal call.

God has considered them all in unbelief that He might have mercy upon all.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Jackson123

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Interestingly Jackson, though you have bought into the conspiracy theory, you have been kind in the fact that you do seek our response. Even when you toss it aside, its obvious there is no anger. I can deal with that.
Thank for friendly response brother Thomis. If you don't mine, I steel need to know why you believe that a man will be God.

Bible said only one God, if every catholic will be God than how many billions God will be.

In my opinion, this doctrine is contradict bible teaching.
 
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no. interpretation is not permitted. (GOD'S WORD says so). (interpretation contrary to HIS WORD is how the rcc deceives people)

GOD'S WORD says plainly that HE gives you time to repent. and, or otherwise, HIS WORD says you will be judged by what you have done and said. same for everyone else, btw, me included. GOD is no respecter of persons.

He also hardens whom he wants to, and perhaps he has already decided to harden your heart, and if so then by definition you won't repent ... (or can GOD change his plan and soften your heart?) .... that's up to GOD.

ask HIM. HE holds your life now, and later, in HIS hands, to do with as HE pleases. HE does whatever HE wants to do.

Gee, that sounds a tad like an interpretation of some scripture ?
 
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Now be brave, Saint Jeffrey. Post the actual texts which you believe (INTERPRET) support those claims.

I'll betcha I can find a whole bunch of sincere, genuine christians who will view (interpret) those verses quite differently.
Probably even some in here.
But of course, you could be claiming some divine infalliblity or personal revelation I suppose.


BTW ...
"He also hardens whom he wants to" - REALLY ?!
So we humans actually have no choice ? He can 'harden' us not to believe ...... and then punish us for not doing so ?
Sounds fair.
 
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God gave you and everyone else as far as i know the same opportunity in JESUS to be forgiven.
He also hardens whom he wants to, and perhaps he has already decided to harden your heart, and if so then by definition you won't repent ...
Ummmmmm - anyone else see a conflict here ?
 

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BTW ...
"He also hardens whom he wants to" - REALLY ?!
So we humans actually have no choice ? He can 'harden' us not to believe ...... and then punish us for not doing so ?
Sounds fair.
No He hardens them in their sin. He hardens them IN their unbelief. They ALREADY deserve punishment. And can you show me a Scripture that says that God has to be 'fair'? If God deals with us fairly none of us have any hope.
 
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God is just, God is fair.
To some he gave brains,
the others .......... hair.

I'm bald.
 
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He hardens them in their sin. He hardens them IN their unbelief.
He also hardens whom he wants to, and perhaps he has already decided to harden your heart, and if so then by definition you won't repent ...
Well, that sounds like a pretty nasty, vindictive sorta guy.
Why on earth would 'he' do that ?

It certainly doesn't sound like the John 3:16 god to me.
 
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so you got nothing/ lol
I think you think you're being funny. But instead you are just coming away as an angry old bigot. Apparently anyone who disagrees with you is stupid or a fool. The sad thing is, if you were just joking around, I'm not sure anyone would notice because remember that internet posts are vapid and devoid of emotion. The only emotion or human interpretational conversation is that which the reader gives it based on context of the situation. You've not been nice, so why take this as jovial.
 

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I think you think you're being funny. But instead you are just coming away as an angry old bigot. Apparently anyone who disagrees with you is stupid or a fool. The sad thing is, if you were just joking around, I'm not sure anyone would notice because remember that internet posts are vapid and devoid of emotion. The only emotion or human interpretational conversation is that which the reader gives it based on context of the situation. You've not been nice, so why take this as jovial.
I guess you americans have no sense of humour pity
 

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I am going to repeat my question to my beloved catholic brother and sister.

Don't you believe God is one,in my opinion, if this teaching is true and every Catholic become God. it will be billions of God/not one.

when it happen? as soon as you baptize you become God or when?
If as soon as baptize you become God, then test it. Can you create heaven and earth?

Make it easy, can you create elephant or cow?

If you already God why worship Jesus. You are God the same level with Jesus.

Why you pray to Mary. Did God pray to Mary?

Mary is God too, am I right?

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I guess you americans have no sense of humour pity
how much did the slaughtered babies laugh, or the women stripped naked and raped laugh, by the nazis?

the scripture says clearly that the heresy destroys baby's soul's, womens soul's, men's souls- everyone's soul that it can, and ravages and destroys their bodies and their lives also.

history confirms this, but scripture has always said it, and does not change.

there are some posting who are not in line with scripture here. just like in germany it wasn't just the christians and the jews who hated the gestapo. the gestapo was the enemy of everyone.

so also, the rcc is hasatan's puppet, and is the enemy of all life everywhere. GOD HATES THE RCC,


but GOD is merciful enough to offer life, his son died crucified and raised, TO SAVE A CATHOLIC, if they will. they just have to seek him and put their trust in him, instead of in man/flesh/demons. same as anyone else anywhere.
 
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how much did the slaughtered babies laugh, or the women stripped naked and raped laugh, by the nazis?
About as much as the men, women, children, babies and old folk when the American bombs rained down on the homes, schools, churches, hospitals and orphanages in residential Baghdad, I guess.
 
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that we might become God."[SUP]80[/SUP]
I don't know why this is disturbing in light of the Christian teaching that we are to become Sons and Daughters of God, we are to reign with God and partake in His Divinity. In essence, God has invited us into the relationship of the Trinity through the Body and Blood of the Son shed for us. We do not become gods, that is Apo-Theosis (and is an apostasy taught by Mormons). We do not become equal to God, because we are creations and He is uncreated, always to be our better. BUT We will be one with God, as a man and wife are ONE FLESH. Jesus calls us His Bride. Thus in the intimacy of the Trinity, we now have a share, because we are the Bride of the Son, Children of the Father, and their literal and living Love that we call the Holy Spirit, or Paraclete, is indwelling Himself in us. In this way, we become God, because we are now sharers of the Love of God, partakers of Divinity. Because bluntly, WE ARE THE WIFE OF THE SON AND CHILDREN OF THE FATHER!
 

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I don't know why this is disturbing in light of the Christian teaching that we are to become Sons and Daughters of God, we are to reign with God and partake in His Divinity. In essence, God has invited us into the relationship of the Trinity through the Body and Blood of the Son shed for us. We do not become gods, that is Apo-Theosis (and is an apostasy taught by Mormons). We do not become equal to God, because we are creations and He is uncreated, always to be our better. BUT We will be one with God, as a man and wife are ONE FLESH. Jesus calls us His Bride. Thus in the intimacy of the Trinity, we now have a share, because we are the Bride of the Son, Children of the Father, and their literal and living Love that we call the Holy Spirit, or Paraclete, is indwelling Himself in us. In this way, we become God, because we are now sharers of the Love of God, partakers of Divinity. Because bluntly, WE ARE THE WIFE OF THE SON AND CHILDREN OF THE FATHER!
lol typical rcc doublespeak